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[Wildcat19]

The way the BCS is set up it doesn't matter if they lose to USC early. If they win out they would still have a chance to be in the championship game at the end of the season. The way everything is structured, if you're going to lose, lose early. Look at Michigan's beginning and their rank at the end of the season.
LSU lost early and their last conference game to still make it in. The earlier the loss the less it matters at the end of the season. OSU schedule strength isn't hard enough for them to lose late and still make it. Plus OSU and the BIG TEN isn't exactly looked on highly in the national media. No other conference could loss there final conference game and still have a team make the championship game except the SEC.

[baseballer3]

there is no way ohio state is invited back to the BCS national championship... listen to any expert... they are an average team in a mediocre confrence. If you invite someone to your big party two years in a row and they make an @ss out of themselves, your not going to invite them back the third year. Other than ohio state fans, the rest of the nation wants to see competitive teams play for the national championship, not the best from a very, very inferior conference.

[Wildcat19]

there is no way Ohio state is invited back to the BCS national championship... listen to any expert... they are an average team in a mediocre confrence. If you invite someone to your big party two years in a row and they make an @ss out of themselves, your not going to invite them back the third year. Other than ohio state fans, the rest of the nation wants to see competitive teams play for the national championship, not the best from a very, very inferior conference.

You're right the SEC with teams like Kentucky, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Mississippi ST, Alabama and Mississippi are all strong teams. All conferences have tops and bottoms. One of the main problem with the Big Ten is that they end their season two to three weeks earlier then any other conference. The SEC plays till the last week in November not counting their championship game.
The long lay over and no idea who you are playing create coaching and morale issues. The Big Ten needs to create a bye week or extend the season.
When it comes to the end of the season and OSU is ranked 1 or 2 they will send them back because of $$$$$$$. Their were more deserving teams at he end of last season that didn't make it into the BCS or a major bowl because they were worried they couldn't pack the seats full. They know OSU will do that year in and out.

[flounder]

The BCS doesn't really give a crap who is in their National Champioship Game.........if they did then OSU would not have been invited last season......everyone who followed college football knew that the Bucks were not deserving........it is all about the money....tOSU has many fans and a great following.....they fill stadiums.......

I really think next season may make a difference.......tOSU will have to really be dominating to make it........and then if they are embarassed again.......well, who knows......let's face it...after the past two seasons, the BCS has lost alot of credibility....so have the Bucks!!!!!!!!!

[baseballer3]

You're right the SEC with teams like Kentucky, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Mississippi ST, Alabama and Mississippi are all strong teams. All conferences have tops and bottoms. One of the main problem with the Big Ten is that they end their season two to three weeks earlier then any other conference. The SEC plays till the last week in November not counting their championship game.
The long lay over and no idea who you are playing create coaching and morale issues. The Big Ten needs to create a bye week or extend the season.
When it comes to the end of the season and OSU is ranked 1 or 2 they will send them back because of $$$$$$$. Their were more deserving teams at he end of last season that didn't make it into the BCS or a major bowl because they were worried they couldn't pack the seats full. They know OSU will do that year in and out.

The layover excuse is hogwash. Sure its a few more weeks but they are college football players at an elite level... think about what your saying. It gives players time to recover from injury and freshen there legs. Coaches have more time to study and critque there own players. It doesn't matter who you play ( to some degree) as long as you run your plays correctly and efficiently. Ohio state fans are always full of excuses when they are let down, just face it.. Ohio State and the big ten are weak and not competitive.

[sears3820]

The BCS doesn't really give a crap who is in their National Champioship Game.........if they did then OSU would not have been invited last season......everyone who followed college football knew that the Bucks were not deserving.........it is all about the money....tOSU has many fans and a great following.....they fill stadiums.

Who was more deserving than Ohio State last year? You had a group of about 5 teams that all had legit cases for being in the NCG, but not one stood out above the rest.

And if it was all about the money, Notre Dame would play in the National Title game every year. Not buying that argument.

.let's face it...after the past two seasons, the BCS has lost alot of credibility....so have the Bucks!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, going 11-2 in '08 and going 12-1 in '07, with National Championship game appearances both years makes me want to hold my head in shame.

Edited by sears3820, 18 March 2008 - 01:04 PM.

[WONBulldog]

This thread just gets funnier and funnier. There's a reason some of the bosses like for me to read dumb posts aloud.

Case in point with the secretary whose son-in-law went to Michigan and daughter also went to Michigan: "Michigan is home to many very intelligent students and graduates many very intelligent members of society. Now if only the school would hold their fans up to the same level of academia and intellectual capacity, I wouldn't have to hear all the dumb comments you read from blathering numskulls who have taken pent-up energy from several years of football and basketball struggles and decided that expend it on futile attempts at tearing down Ohio State or any other college that can claim some sort of superiority over them in a sport for any given year or number of years."

[sears3820]

In 2008 they lost at home to Illinois who was thumped by USC, and then OSU got thumped by LSU.
In 2007 they beat Michigan by 3 who went out and got thumped by USC, then OSU got hammered by Florida.

No reason to hang your head, but no reason to think you're a player on the NC scene right now either. You lose to USC, close or not, and you will not be invited.

The old transitive property of football. I can play that game too.

The same 2007 USC team that lost at home to Stanford, and then Stanford got thumped by 18 points against the same Washington that Ohio State defeated by 19 points.

The same 2006 USC team that lost to the same Oregon State team that got beat by 18 points by the UCLA team that got beat by 3 points by the Notre Dame team that got waxed by 26 by the Michigan team that Ohio State beat by 3.

No reason to hang your head, but no reason to think you're a player on the NC scene right now either. You lose to USC, close or not, and you will not be invited

No reason???? Uh, since when is making it to the last two National Title games not considered being a player in the NC scene???

And if Ohio State loses to USC in a close game in LA and then runs the table, they will be right back in the NC mix yet again. There's no precedent that would suggest otherwise.


If Ohio State really cares about the national media's (and to some extent the public) perception of the program, there is a model already in place to gain their respect and admiration. Two teams(USC & Georgia) last year proved this model to be true.

Its simple, avoid the national championship game at all cost! Feel free to lose a couple of games mid-season, hell, you can even lose an unbelievably embarrassing one (Stanford at home). It doesn't matter if you follow the rules:

1. Finish strong, win your last three or four games, maybe one in blowout fashion.

2. If your conference has a championship game, avoid it.

3. Get yourself into a BCS game, maybe if your lucky you get paired up against the non-BCS flavor of the month. Blow them out, show the world they don't belong with the big boys.

4. Finally, and most importantly, find the nearest microphone after your bowl victory and proclaim to the world that you will take on anyone, anywhere. Denounce the BCS system and issue a challenge to all comers. Of course you do this knowing full well that it could never happen so what's the harm in proclaiming it. In the case of Georgia, who hasn't played north of the mason dixon line in 50 years, you don't even have to back it up with your regular season schedule.

After doing this the national pundits will be sent swooning back to their laptops eager to right the story about how they just witnessed the greatest team in college football dismantle an opponent and it doesn't even matter what happens in the national championship game because this is another example of the BCS keeping the man down.

[Tom Ace]

In 2007-08 they lost at home to Illinois who was thumped by USC, and then OSU got thumped by LSU.
In 2006-07 they beat Michigan by 3 who went out and got thumped by USC, then OSU got hammered by Florida.

No reason to hang your head, but no reason to think you're a player on the NC scene right now either. You lose to USC, close or not, and you will not be invited.

The lost to who lost to who lost to arguments are completely pointless. I mean, you could get to the point where some 1AA teams would've had a very good season in the SEC last year...

They do need to beat USC for me to think they deserve to be back in. But a loss is not an automatic disqualification from the title game. It depends on what all the OTHER teams do. Just like last year. If everyone else blows their chances then, right or wrong, OSU would cylce right back into it. (as long as they don't lose again)

[flounder]

The Bucks play USC very early in the season........a loss to USC will not kill OSU's chances....the way the BCS or any poll for that matter is set up....if you are going to lose....lose early because there is plenty of time left to make up for that loss.......actually...OSU was very lucky last season.....losing late and making the big game........

I hope they do make it.......and have to go against the SEC again......3 losses in a row should quiet a few of those obnoxious OSU faithful in Cbus!!!!!!!!

[Greenwave88]

well, for the past 7 years, michigan hasnt been crap. Texas was the defending national champs, Texas was still 10-3 in 2006 and ranked number 2 when both of them played.
Kansas St. use to be one of the Powerhouse during the 90's but have fallen off the face of the earth this decade. But the did beat Oklahoma in 2003, who went to the national championship in New Orleans to meet LSU, and lost 21-14.
Notre Dame in 2005 still had Brady Quinn, one hell of a QB, and they where still one of the nations elite with wins over Tenn and Michigan, and a consverstal lost to USC. if the ball would of been spoted correctly.

so since you brought up 2003, lets go to the 2003 Fiesta Bowl where Ohio State defeated the University of Miami for the National Championship.

[sears3820]

Just who is it that is so great that you've beaten recently?
Michigan? Texas? Kansas St? Notre Dame?

And like I said before, how many truly great teams are there in college football every year? USC was pretty good the last 2 years, not great. Great teams don't lose to 40 point dogs at home or to barely .500 Pac-10 teams.

[Greenwave88]

sorry to say this, but I also would put Wasington State up there, and Penn State.

[Greenwave88]

of course if Ohio State beats USC, it wont matter, becuz in the eyes of Michigan fans, USC was weak against Ohio State. so it doesn't matter really

[spiderman]

The layover excuse is hogwash. Sure its a few more weeks but they are college football players at an elite level... think about what your saying. It gives players time to recover from injury and freshen there legs. Coaches have more time to study and critque there own players. It doesn't matter who you play ( to some degree) as long as you run your plays correctly and efficiently. Ohio state fans are always full of excuses when they are let down, just face it.. Ohio State and the big ten are weak and not competitive.

well the layover is bad if you are a number 3 or 2 seed in the bcs and then the teams with conference tourneys or teams that have longer schedules have a chance to play a good opponent and jump us if they win but it also can be a good thing if the number 1 team looses by playing that extra game

[knightmare07]

USC game will decide it, end o story.