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[Bluetiger76]

Coach, on 17 December 2015 - 11:11 AM, said:

The coach does what he needs to do to win that are with in the rules. It is not like college ball where you can go out and recruit. If it is stall ball, so be it. If you don't have scorers on the team, this may be the answer. Find the strength of your players and use it. You may have great ball handlers and passers. This is why a shot clock in high school basketball is a disgrace to the game. Is this game for the players to learn fundamentals? Develop dedication? Learn team play? And understand why teamwork is so important. Team Chemistry is the key and kids have to buy in. High School Sports have changed Not taking anything away from the teams, but come on, 7 State Football Champions.

To many people/parents look at high school basketball as how many minutes my son/daughter plays, are they fun to watch (entertainment) and no matter how good they played they really don't care because they lost! Sad, come to think of it, this is they way most sports are now days. I guarantee you 99% of the parents or someone in the community would not turn a player in that breaks training rules. What are we trying to teach these kids?

Don't run up the score, kids don't want to be humiliated.
Everybody should get there fair share of time. When they leave school they will soon realize everyone does not get even breaks.
If you aren't very good then just give up so others feel sorry for you.
You don't have to work to get better, just let welfare take care of you.

This is where we are at with sports. I think here is a good example: A community swim meet where all kids are in this league (summer program not school)

RULE #1

All kids must be able to swim across the pool to be eligiable to be on the swim team. This is the very first rule! One of the younger kids gets in a race and swims 3 feet, grabs the rope, breaths and then swims another 3 feet, this goes on until he makes it to the other side. People are clapping, cheering yelling you can do it, The problem is, he really never did swim and we are giving this kid a standing ovation.

You wonder why high school sports aren't what they used to be!

thumbs up coach........nice post.

[Spartan87]

Coach, you are dead on! MysteryMan: I actually believe you are dead on as well. Lima Senior was playing their second game. I've talked to Quincey and he told me that at least defensively, not where he wants the team to be. This will be revisited. Lima Senior has Ross again plus two games with Oregon Clay.

[Dman]

What an awesome accomplishment for X. His work ethic is legendary. I choose to focus on (the pursuit of) excellence. When you have a kid who works this hard who has an opportunity to set a school record, it would be disgraceful for ANY coach to limit that opportunity. X is the best high school basketball player Limaland has EVER produced. Who better to represent and hold the scoring record?

[mysteryman2014]

Hagen, on 17 December 2015 - 09:27 AM, said:

Via a team preview:
"...It’s kind of a reunion of sorts as former Team Lima (travel team) teammates Ruben Flowers, Rico Stafford, Jaylin Thomas, and Simpson have been reunited along with their head coach. Enter into the mix Elijah Pughsley, who returned back to Lima after a stint at Cincinnati Hughes, ..."
Yea... I'm sure the lack of playing together factors in strongly...

Hmmm your well informed becuase all those kids havent all played together since like 7-8 grade
And Elijah played with them none Until he came back from Cincy Hughes.
After 8th grade X and Rico played on King James together some, Ruben i believe no AAU, Jayln some but not with any of them.
So 3-4 yrs not playing together yes i believe it factors in.
Get facts straight

[Hagen]

mysteryman2014, on 17 December 2015 - 12:14 PM, said:

Hmmm your well informed becuase all those kids havent all played together since like 7-8 grade
And Elijah played with them none Until he came back from Cincy Hughes.
After 8th grade X and Rico played on King James together some, Ruben i believe no AAU, Jayln some but not with any of them.
So 3-4 yrs not playing together yes i believe it factors in.
Get facts straight

Funny, because that preview was from LAST YEAR (http://www.jjhuddle....oledo-st-johns/), meaning they all played together last season (27 games) , including the summer (15-20 through summer tournaments?), and scrimmages (4 listed on OHSAA.org). That's about 45-50 games played together, under the same coach nonetheless, not including any AAU since getting the band back together. You don't "forget how to play" with a team after 40+ games in the last calendar year.
I posted that to show that they previously played together before LSH, assuming Limaland would know they played together all of last year to a regional final run. http://highschoolspo...l-final-videos/
Here's this season's preview if you want: http://limaohio.com/...2015-16-preview
There's your facts.

Edited by Hagen, 18 December 2015 - 09:07 AM.

[Hagen]

Dman, on 17 December 2015 - 11:59 AM, said:

What an awesome accomplishment for X. His work ethic is legendary. I choose to focus on (the pursuit of) excellence.

I completely agree that he deserves to have the record, but how many teams could he drop 60+ against if he really wanted to? I'd guess 1/3 of the schedule, if he really wanted to. How many players could break their school record if they left their starters/stars in to run up the score on lower teams (that's what Ross is this season in D1)? Then it all becomes a show of who can top the other. This isn't the AAU circuit, but I'm not sure anyone told the coach that yet. He wanted his boy to get that record. Simple as that.

[mysteryman2014]

Hagen, on 18 December 2015 - 09:02 AM, said:

Funny, because that preview was from LAST YEAR (http://www.jjhuddle....oledo-st-johns/), meaning they all played together last season (27 games) , including the summer (15-20 through summer tournaments?), and scrimmages (4 listed on OHSAA.org). That's about 45-50 games played together, under the same coach nonetheless, not including any AAU since getting the band back together. You don't "forget how to play" with a team after 40+ games in the last calendar year.
I posted that to show that they previously played together before LSH, assuming Limaland would know they played together all of last year to a regional final run. http://highschoolspo...l-final-videos/
Here's this season's preview if you want: http://limaohio.com/...2015-16-preview
There's your facts.

Yes they did play together.
Only 2 of them played together during AAU.
And yes you play together but after a break it does take time to get back in flow with each other.
Then there was the break for football season.
every team has shake off rust football and basketball shape are 2 different things.
plus back to shooting and defense and passing etc.
like i said and i promise this is one of reasons they were not where they needed to be going into a huge weekend with 2 very good teams.
probably defensively or shape.
So while you are whining and complaining about running up the score and leaving starters in (freemont never put bench in) and X sat last 5 min of game. tell other team to practice more and get better.
And OH get off the haters wagon for Lima Senior, or kids or Quincy whatever it is.
Because at end of year i predict them at state.

[Coach]

I won't predict anything any more! Too many things can happen along the way for any team. I would say they are very likely to make it to State.

[Hagen]

mysteryman2014, on 18 December 2015 - 09:55 AM, said:

... So while you are whining and complaining about running up the score and leaving starters in (freemont never put bench in) and X sat last 5 min of game. tell other team to practice more and get better.
And OH get off the haters wagon for Lima Senior, or kids or Quincy whatever it is.
Because at end of year i predict them at state.

Whining? Nah. Stating that he was clearly going for the record in a decisive blowout? Sure. I'm sure his pops took him out after 59p for no apparent reason at that specific time of the game. I'm sure that up 94-51 midway through the 4Q was the perfect safety net to pull X & finally feel comfortable that they weren't going to get beat, while making sure his defensive rotation had gained enough reps that night. I'm sure Q had no idea that 57 was the record. I'm sure that next time around vs Ross, he won't try to get 60. I'm sure it was all about defense and not the record.

I'm far from a bleeding heart in sports, but don't sugar coat & BS it. I'd be first in line to congratulate him if he dropped 60 vs. St. John's/Findlay/TCC, & it'd be among the best accomplishments in the state this year, of any sport. However, spare me that I'm not patting him on the back for doing it against a bad team in a game that wasn't even close. If he got hurt up 40+ in the 4Q, I'm sure UMichigan wouldn't have cared. Hey, gotta play ball no matter what. In that case, I bet they're pissed he didn't finish the game like a real player would've. I'm sure X questioned pops why he was being sat in a league game. Makes no sense to me. He could've gotten 60 or maybe even 70! A true winner would've wanted to be on that floor until the final buzzer because that's what winners do.

I'm far from hating on LSH because they are so much fun to watch with that amount of talent & clearly they're going to make a state title run. It'd be a disappointment if they didn't make it to Cbus this year. However, that doesn't mean I'm going to blindly say everything is great throughout the journey. X got his record, good for him. However spare me the BS & sugar-coating. Personally, I think Q will be done at LSH after this year & returns to the AAU circuit, so he doesn't care what happens along the way.

Regarding the "tell the other team to practice more & get better" part, give me a break. Ross couldn't have competed in that game if they played ball 365/15 hours a day. Some teams are just better than others no matter what. You can't win the Kentucky Derby with a mule.

Edited by Hagen, 18 December 2015 - 10:51 AM.

[Dman]

I think they should have left him in for 60. Psychologically that is a much better number than 59! Then I would have sat him.

ANY coach who is lucky enough to have a player like X would and should do all they can to facilitate a record for that kid. He earned it. He deserves it.

The fact the coach is his father...how awesome is that? His father got to sit front row to watch his son, and hardest working player on the team, achieve greatness. That's the absolute epitome of why fathers help their kids, and coaches coach!

This is a moment to celebrate excellence by a premier student athlete. This is a moment to celebrate a father's love for his son. This is a moment to celebrate a coach's love for his player.

I have NOTHING but love and respect for this entire story and the Simpson family. X was blessed with talent. But he was also blessed with a father who cares. Together...their workman-like attitude is legendary.

I fail to understand the urge to hate when we SHOULD celebrate. The Simpson's are the good guys. They've succeeded the old fashioned way. We need more Simpson's and less haters.

[Hagen]

Coach, on 18 December 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

... I would say they are very likely to make it to State.

100% & would love to see them make it. They're a very good collection of talent that's fun to watch.

[Dman]

Scoring 59 against Fremont Ross, while sitting out the last 5 minutes, is treated as ho hum by some. Since Fremont Ross is so bad we should look forward to all the 50 point plus performances by opposition players this season.

...or maybe we can admit X is special...among the exponentially small number of excellent players capable of dropping 59 on ANY team.

[Bluetiger76]

Hagen, on 18 December 2015 - 10:45 AM, said:

I'm far from a bleeding heart in sports, but don't sugar coat & BS it. I'd be first in line to congratulate him if he dropped 60 vs. St. John's/Findlay/TCC, & it'd be among the best accomplishments in the state this year, of any sport.

So lets get this straight, If he "dropped" 60 on Findlay it would be among the best accomplishments in the state this year, any sport (but its not since it was Ross)......................Although Findlay only beat Bath by 3 and Fremont Ross by 13 "at" Findlay. So thats where you draw the line? You have to be kidding!!

Edited by Bluetiger76, 18 December 2015 - 11:47 AM.

[Common Sense]

I really don't care if teams win by 40-50 points, it's not the responsibility of the winning team to keep the game close. But please don't use the "it's early in the season, and you want your starters to play together more" and "my starters need to play as many minutes a possible" card. That's weak. Just say hey, we're trying to run the score up, we have a kid who's going D1 and getting 59 points in a game puts you some state and national pub, not scoring 30 or 35 in the same blowout game.
And I really question the coach’s motives. I mean you’ve already got the whole “it’s his kid” dynamic that exists. Now to pile on a bad team and allow your son to take an individual spotlight in a team game just rubs people the wrong way. Look, Lima senior is very good, they’ll win a lot of games, they may win the state, and X has a D1 scholly and could have a pro career in his future….why do this??

[Dman]

The problem is the "people who are rubbed the wrong way." The Simpsons are pursuing and achieving excellence. If that bothers you...we need more Simpsons and less you to make the world a better place. Jealousy is unbecoming...

P.S. "You" meant in general...not for a specific person/poster.

[Dman]

New rule...

Individual school scoring records can only count in competitive games decided by 10 or less points. 5 points if the players dad is also the coach.

This shall forever be known as the "Rubbed the Wrong Way" rule.

Social Justice Warriors Rejoice!

:-D

[Dman]

Or we can harken back to a time where records of excellence were celebrated and cheered...in lieu of looking for excuses/justifications to tear down accomplishments...?

[Hagen]

Common Sense, on 18 December 2015 - 11:59 AM, said:

I really don't care if teams win by 40-50 points, it's not the responsibility of the winning team to keep the game close. But please don't use the "it's early in the season, and you want your starters to play together more" and "my starters need to play as many minutes a possible" card. That's weak. Just say hey, we're trying to run the score up, we have a kid who's going D1 and getting 59 points in a game puts you some state and national pub, not scoring 30 or 35 in the same blowout game.
And I really question the coach’s motives. I mean you’ve already got the whole “it’s his kid” dynamic that exists. Now to pile on a bad team and allow your son to take an individual spotlight in a team game just rubs people the wrong way. Look, Lima senior is very good, they’ll win a lot of games, they may win the state, and X has a D1 scholly and could have a pro career in his future….why do this??

Exactly...

Edited by Hagen, 18 December 2015 - 01:35 PM.

[Hagen]

Dman, on 18 December 2015 - 12:11 PM, said:

... we need more Simpsons ... to make the world a better place.

Agreed!

Edited by Hagen, 18 December 2015 - 01:43 PM.

[Coach]

I would say the majority of high school records have been set against teams that were not quite as good. I know there are exceptions but realistically that is how it is. To take away the accomplishment because the team was F-R is not what I would do. Some guys couldn't make 8 three pointers if you didn't guard them in practice.

I understand where most of you are coming from and your points are valid, but it is the way we keep track of things, so it is a record. How do you think Jessie Owens feels when all of his records were broken. Did he say, that's not fair, I ran in tennis shoes, ran on cinders, didn't have the athletic training they have today. Didn't have the right diet back then. The timing was hand held or it would have been faster.

I see jealousy in this thread, not only about a player, but it seems like the coach is one that some people don't agree with.

I don't care how you got them but 59 points is 59 points and congrats. I would not have been like his dad and taken him out, I would have had him go for 70. Were not talking about lay-up after lay-up here.