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[milt73]

von, on 16 April 2015 - 03:21 PM, said:

Looks like the downtown coaches assoc. in Ottoville are not happy by keeping Coach T. When will they be happy? Good Luck Big Green...

It's hilarious when small towns try to run a coach out of town. It's usually only a few parents that think their little Billy needs more PT or thinks their team has way more natural talent then they really do. But, it really starts a never ending cycle of bad teams.

2nd thing about coaching in small towns.....Who do these people think are going to come in and coach their kids? Phil Jackson? It's not like people are lining up to coach at........Ottoville. All 42 boys in the high school. They are lucky to have one or two good athletes on the team, ha.

[moe_ szyslak]

milt73, on 22 April 2015 - 08:21 AM, said:

It's hilarious when small towns try to run a coach out of town. It's usually only a few parents that think their little Billy needs more PT or thinks their team has way more natural talent then they really do. But, it really starts a never ending cycle of bad teams.

2nd thing about coaching in small towns.....Who do these people think are going to come in and coach their kids? Phil Jackson? It's not like people are lining up to coach at........Ottoville. All 42 boys in the high school. They are lucky to have one or two good athletes on the team, ha.

Everyone wants to be like Fort Jennings of 2000, but they don't understand the reality.

[Common Sense]

Dad of young kids, organize your teams, teach them the basics, play in tournaments 3-6th grade, then hand them off to the middle school and high school coaches and get the heck out of the way, your job is done. Good parenting is the backbone of all small school athletic programs, they teach, preach, mold these kids at the young ages. But when you get to the schools, step back and allow the coaches to do their jobs. It may not be exactly how you think it should be, but if the talent is there, they'll be successful. You can't win with bad players.

[moe_ szyslak]

Common Sense, on 22 April 2015 - 10:21 AM, said:

Dad of young kids, organize your teams, teach them the basics, play in tournaments 3-6th grade, then hand them off to the middle school and high school coaches and get the heck out of the way, your job is done. Good parenting is the backbone of all small school athletic programs, they teach, preach, mold these kids at the young ages. But when you get to the schools, step back and allow the coaches to do their jobs. It may not be exactly how you think it should be, but if the talent is there, they'll be successful. You can't win with bad players.

That seems like common sense...

[FlightCrew]

Common Sense, on 22 April 2015 - 10:21 AM, said:

Dad of young kids, organize your teams, teach them the basics, play in tournaments 3-6th grade, then hand them off to the middle school and high school coaches and get the heck out of the way, your job is done. Good parenting is the backbone of all small school athletic programs, they teach, preach, mold these kids at the young ages. But when you get to the schools, step back and allow the coaches to do their jobs. It may not be exactly how you think it should be, but if the talent is there, they'll be successful. You can't win with bad players.

Actually, the better option would be to have no organized ball until 7th grade....

[dw629]

FlightCrew, on 22 April 2015 - 03:22 PM, said:

Actually, the better option would be to have no organized ball until 7th grade....

Yeah, then teach them everything about playing in game situations at age 13 lol

[FlightCrew]

dw629, on 22 April 2015 - 08:11 PM, said:

Yeah, then teach them everything about playing in game situations at age 13 lol

Yep. That's when we all started to learn.....and we were all the better because of it.
Kids are actually overcoached today.

Edited by FlightCrew, 22 April 2015 - 08:20 PM.

[Coach]

Kids can never be over coached on fundamentals. The problem with these leagues in 3rd grade and up are:

1. They are coached by parents who want to make sure their kid gets plenty of playing time.
2. Everybody doesn't get the playing time and practice time as the stars get at this age.
3. Way too much emphasize on winning.
4. Coaches friends kids get more playing time.
5. These coaches at this level can't let it go. Try to take over if team is not playing to the expectations that has been formed in their heads. Usually is a State Championship!

[FlightCrew]

Coach, on 23 April 2015 - 06:51 AM, said:

Kids can never be over coached on fundamentals. The problem with these leagues in 3rd grade and up are:

1. They are coached by parents who want to make sure their kid gets plenty of playing time.
2. Everybody doesn't get the playing time and practice time as the stars get at this age.
3. Way too much emphasize on winning.
4. Coaches friends kids get more playing time.
5. These coaches at this level can't let it go. Try to take over if team is not playing to the expectations that has been formed in their heads. Usually is a State Championship!

I hear ya on fundamentals. I'm all about that. But they either don't take the time, or don't have the time in practice to work on it.
Many of them also fail to correct bad behavior/habits.
Running sets does nothing but turn kids into robots, I'd rather they play one on one, two on two, and learn to create.
Basketball in this area has suffered due to all of this "organization" and Y ball *******....

[Common Sense]

There is no way you can start organized sports until 7th grade, you'll never catch up. 50 years ago, maybe, but that's when kids actually played sandlot baseball all summer, pick up basketball games and sand lot football. That does not happen anymore.

[Common Sense]

This isn't a knock against youth coaches, and actually I applaud youth coaches, and for the record, most are doing it for the right reasons, not because they want their kid to be the star. Typically, you have a Dad who was a pretty good athlete, and they are interested and SHOULD coach. I do like some rules on participation, but not equal play, you have to have some competitiveness in sports to make it work.

One of the issues with youth sports today is it's ALL about playing time. Once upon a time, it was of value to just be ON THE TEAM. Equal playing time in youth sports killed that. Now kids play as much as anyone else until 7th grade, then it's winning time and suddenly the best play. Now instead of 12 person varsity teams we have 8, and same for JV and freshmen.

We even have some who feel if they aren’t on varsity as a freshman, they’re done with the sport. Somehow JV/ freshman teams are demeaning?? How does this happen?

[FlightCrew]

Common Sense, on 23 April 2015 - 08:45 AM, said:

There is no way you can start organized sports until 7th grade, you'll never catch up. 50 years ago, maybe, but that's when kids actually played sandlot baseball all summer, pick up basketball games and sand lot football. That does not happen anymore.

I graduated 20 years ago, so I was playing jr high ball in the late 80's....
We had 5th and 6th grade ball on sat mornings...with our jv/varsity coaches/players.

I dare some staff to have the guts to revert to that. I think they'd be better off in the long run IF they can convince the kids to play one on one, two on two, three on three. Going full court 5 on 5 does nothing imo. Hardly anyone around here can handle it or create anymore, cause they never had to. They were always getting to a spot or having a screen set for them. No knowledge of how to get open on their own, or blow by someone on the bounce. Even rebounding sucks.

[moe_ szyslak]

Seaman out at PH.

Wayno!!??

[Rocketman]

moe_ szyslak, on 23 April 2015 - 01:05 PM, said:

Seaman out at PH.

Wayno!!??

That would be the smart thing.....I'm saying no

[moe_ szyslak]

Rocketman, on 23 April 2015 - 07:07 PM, said:

That would be the smart thing.....I'm saying no

I don't think Wayno wants to. But I'd love to see him do it. Only coach I know who can truly make chicken salad out of chicken $hit.

[Common Sense]

Flight, really like the 5th/ 6th grade Saturday mornings concept, it works...IF you have everyone on board. But reality is that you have a Dad take the best 7 kids from the class and puts them in Saturday morning competitive leagues/ tournaments. So you either work around the schedule of the "select" team or you get the "not so good"kids. Not all bad, but it can get pretty messy, and you may drive wedge into that group.

[gamekeeper]

You don't need organize basketball to be better, before Jr. Hgh. what you need is gym time with an even number of kids, and after shooting, and dribbling drills do, one on ones, and two on two games. How is spending all weekend in a hotel to play 3-4 games, with 12 players, and one basketball, making anyone better. You are not going to shoot the ball a 100 times over the course of a weekend at a tournament and if your kid is then no one will play with him. You are not going to handle the ball all the time to get better at dribbling because only one or two players are designated the point guards, and forget it if your kid is tall, then he is setting picks, and rolling to the basket. Kids are not better now because parents have gotten envolved to organize and coach, with good intentions most i am sure, but really if those same kids just went to the Gym with their dads or moms, and shot free throws, layups, and jump shots, then had gus macker like tournament for an hour or two so the kids could create, or use what they learned. You would be much better by Jr. High.

[superstar]

Thought this was a Coaching Opening thread, not a bash on youth sports?

[moe_ szyslak]

superstar, on 24 April 2015 - 10:56 AM, said:

Thought this was a Coaching Opening thread, not a bash on youth sports?

This

[FlightCrew]

superstar, on 24 April 2015 - 10:56 AM, said:

Thought this was a Coaching Opening thread, not a bash on youth sports?

Well, think about it. With the youth sports/organization prior to jr high etc....you get a dad or two, who take a team of athletes and run and gun and cherry pick and win games by 30 all weekend. 2 things happen. 1) They get under the delusion they are great coaches. 2) Kids get under the delusion they are great players.

Fast forward 5 yrs....."when so and so coached they won every tournament, why are they .500?" "Varsity coach sucks, get him out of here"
See where I'm coming from?