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[HH75]

Common Sense, on 02 March 2015 - 10:13 AM, said:

I would hope to goodness for the students of CR that he was hired to teach?? Anything else makes a mockery of the school system.

Normally I'd agree with you 100% School first ..... But not in this situation.. I will leave it at that.

I don't think the State of Ohio and your fearless leader at 1600 Pennsylvania ave. can make more of a mockery out of the school system than they already are, so non renewing a first year teacher won't change that any.

[bob22]

HH75, on 02 March 2015 - 01:18 PM, said:

Normally I'd agree with you 100% School first ..... But not in this situation.. I will leave it at that.

I don't think the State of Ohio and your fearless leader at 1600 Pennsylvania ave. can make more of a mockery out of the school system than they already are, so non renewing a first year teacher won't change that any.

[Common Sense]

Kinda true, but you have a lot of teachers who don't want to coach anymore, but that's another topic. However, no where in your post do you address the real issue...the players??? Recipe for success at Cory. Scrap soccer, you can't have soccer at small schools, even 2-3 kids per class lost is too many. It's the difference in having 25 kids and 35 kids, a JV team or not. Next, build from the ground up. Meaning, youth football. Got to, I mean GOT TO get kids playing in 5th/ 6th grade. This leads into jr. high and in 5-6 years, your competitive again. Until then you're going to have 2-3 win seasons. No matter who's coaching the varsity.

[BGR_80]

You are preaching to the choir my friend, been there done that. Yes, it just happened to be at C-R when there were 40 kids involved at the 5th and 6th grade level!

[HH75]

Common Sense, on 02 March 2015 - 04:42 PM, said:

Kinda true, but you have a lot of teachers who don't want to coach anymore, but that's another topic. However, no where in your post do you address the real issue...the players??? Recipe for success at Cory. Scrap soccer, you can't have soccer at small schools, even 2-3 kids per class lost is too many. It's the difference in having 25 kids and 35 kids, a JV team or not. Next, build from the ground up. Meaning, youth football. Got to, I mean GOT TO get kids playing in 5th/ 6th grade. This leads into jr. high and in 5-6 years, your competitive again. Until then you're going to have 2-3 win seasons. No matter who's coaching the varsity.

While I agree that CR is to small for both and with soccer a non revenue sport,I know what my personal opinion is, I still think the larger issue isn't so much the 2 /5 soccer kids that MIGHT play if there wasn't soccer, but I have to wonder about the 30/40/50+ kids walking the halls doing nothing? How do you get them out ??? My opinion is a good coach that isn't to "shabby" of a teacher and WANTS to lead the program. Last guy obviously didn't WANT to be the leader we thought he might be.

I also have to wonder what the real truth is... some on here say youth football and Jr hi football have no bearing on HS program success.... others state it's a must.... ????

[LimaJock]

BGR_80, on 02 March 2015 - 04:49 PM, said:

You are preaching to the choir my friend, been there done that. Yes, it just happened to be at C-R when there were 40 kids involved at the 5th and 6th grade level!

Absolutely true. LJ

[LimaJock]

HH75 - I also have to wonder what the real truth is... some on here say youth football and Jr hi football have no bearing on HS program success.... others state it's a must.... ????


I think if done correctly, Midgets can help a little or at-least do no harm. Done wrong and it can kill a program. LJ

[paperboy]

Common Sense, on 02 March 2015 - 04:42 PM, said:

Got to, I mean GOT TO get kids playing in 5th/ 6th grade. This leads into jr. high and in 5-6 years, your competitive again. Until then you're going to have 2-3 win seasons. No matter who's coaching the varsity.

I disagree. There are loads of excellent high school programs that don't have (and never will have) youth football.

[LimaJock]

paperboy, on 02 March 2015 - 07:36 PM, said:

I disagree. There are loads of excellent high school programs that don't have (and never will have) youth football.

Agree! Job of midget program is to do no harm and have fun. LJ

[Common Sense]

No doubt, you need to have the right people in a youth football program, just as a high school program. But if you DON'T have youth football, some of those kids go to soccer, baseball, basketball and as we all know, those can now become year-around activities. You MAY NEVER get them back!!
Also very true as posted earlier, lots of kids doing NOTHING anymore. Sad times.

[2166]

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lots of kids doing NOTHING anymore. Sad times.

IMO this could be the worst problem of all.....Very sad times indeed....

Edited by 2166, 03 March 2015 - 01:17 PM.

[lefty]

HH75, on 23 February 2015 - 07:54 AM, said:

Nobody ran him out not the parents, not the administration,not the kids, not the BoE. Everyone was on board and thinking we we were heading in the right direction. Water under the bridge. Time to move on. HH do you have something personal against this coach? He is not hard to find as you say. He is still at the weight room before and after school everyday. Maybe 1 or 2 kids there max. New coach apps due by Feb. 27tth huh. Bet they got hundreds of them you idiot.

applications are due by Feb 27 per the school web site.

[roarintiger1]

Hiring a coach that is dedicated and committed to the kids, the school, and the community would help solve the problem of low numbers of students participating. Of course a good dose of parental guidance and positive involvement towards the kids is also needed. You also need the athletes who change schools for selfish reasons, to stay. Those kids and their parents need to be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

FWIW, It really doesn't matter if the old coach can be found in the weight room or not. You just have to know that you won't find him on the football field at C-R next fall. Maybe 1 or 2 kids in the weight room? If I was a current player, I certainly would not be there when he is there....especially when he lied to me.

Edited by roarintiger1, 03 March 2015 - 05:45 PM.

[2166]

roarintiger1, on 03 March 2015 - 05:36 PM, said:

Hiring a coach that is dedicated and committed to the kids, the school, and the community would help solve the problem of low numbers of students participating. Of course a good dose of parental guidance and positive involvement towards the kids is also needed. You also need the athletes who change schools for selfish reasons, to stay. Those kids and their parents need to be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

FWIW, It really doesn't matter if the old coach can be found in the weight room or not. You just have to know that you won't find him on the football field at C-R next fall. Maybe 1 or 2 kids in the weight room? If I was a current player, I certainly would not be there when he is there....especially when he lied to me.

Excellent post! Could not agree more!!

[lefty]

roarintiger1, on 03 March 2015 - 05:36 PM, said:

Hiring a coach that is dedicated and committed to the kids, the school, and the community would help solve the problem of low numbers of students participating. Of course a good dose of parental guidance and positive involvement towards the kids is also needed. You also need the athletes who change schools for selfish reasons, to stay. Those kids and their parents need to be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

FWIW, It really doesn't matter if the old coach can be found in the weight room or not. You just have to know that you won't find him on the football field at C-R next fall. Maybe 1 or 2 kids in the weight room? If I was a current player, I certainly would not be there when he is there....especially when he lied to me.

[lefty]

That is the point. There were never any numbers in the weight room before he resigned. They are spoiled sissies over there.

[roarintiger1]

"That is the point. There were never any numbers in the weight room before he resigned."

Good for them! They could see right thru a fake...........

Edited by roarintiger1, 03 March 2015 - 08:03 PM.

[2166]

lefty, on 03 March 2015 - 07:30 PM, said:

That is the point. There were never any numbers in the weight room before he resigned. They are spoiled sissies over there.

Is that a fact? You sure seem to know a lot about what goes on at CR.... And of course dump the blame off on the Student Athletes....what a bunch of crap!!

[bob22]

lefty, on 03 March 2015 - 07:30 PM, said:

That is the point. There were never any numbers in the weight room before he resigned. They are spoiled sissies over there.

26 on the roster. 3 were seniors. 17 play basketball or wrestle. Dosent leave a whole lot of bodies to fill a weight room.

[HH75]

Lefty
The only thing I have against the ex coach is that HE didn't commit like he asked the kids to . He lied to those kids. And as Bob said with wrestling basketball and indoor track all most all those kids were doing something. Obviously I've hit a personal nerve with you. Really have nothing against him in fact if you must know I talked to him last week simply told him I was disappointed in his decision and that he didn't want to work to build a program.

Who knows maybe he could have been the Spike Berry or Pete Brunow of his era...

He never committed to this school from day one.. or before perhaps, but preached the "we not me" attitude to the kids when in the end he never believed it himself. If that bothers you then it's your problem not mine.

Wasn't meant to be... He needs to move on.

Edited by HH75, 03 March 2015 - 09:13 PM.