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[JohnMcClane]

Was Xavier a voucher kid or not. Shouldn't be hard to prove either way. If Xavier was on the Huffman free tuition program for the birds, will he have to sit out the first 11 games?

Edited by JohnMcClane, 10 December 2014 - 10:54 PM.

[Osu4me]

NWbballfan, on 10 December 2014 - 10:29 PM, said:

Got a source that told me Dick Heath is going to extensive measures to go after Quincy. Heath had been asking kids around school about summer workouts the kids had attended with Quincy and who all was there. Heath gave his buddy Doug Kent a call wanting Quincy punished for holding summer camps that were within OHSAA guidelines. After that attempt was shot down by LSH AD, Heath is now trying to go after Xavier on his transfer from LCC and whether he was on voucher program. Pretty sad an adult wants to go after high school kids because hes got his own vendetta against another adult. You would think people of Lima would like to see Lima area schools succeed. Just because your program is BAD and has been BAD for a while, you try to bring others down with you, sad. This is high school basketball, let the KIDS play.

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Why in the world would heath go after Quinicy? He has nothing to do with Shawnee. That makes no sense. If this is true, I would think the people of Shawnee want no part of a person like this.

[Scrum]

JohnMcClane, on 10 December 2014 - 10:52 PM, said:

Was Xavier a voucher kid or not. Shouldn't be hard to prove either way. If Xavier was on the Huffman free tuition program for the birds, will he have to sit out the first 11 games?

You're absolutely right. For him to receive voucher money he needed to live the Lima School District. And if he lived in the Lima School District he should not be eligible for basketball. However, Quincy claimed he lived with his mother last year who resided in the Elida School District which would make him eligible for basketball.. If that is case one of two things happened, he either accepted illegal voucher money or lied on where he lived. You can not get voucher money and live in the Elida School District.

Live in Elida - Illegal voucher money
Live in Lima - Ineligible for baskeball

Which is it?

Edited by Scrum, 11 December 2014 - 07:27 AM.

[mysteryman2014]

The city of Lima know that Dick Heath has been contacting OHSAA in regards to Quincy. Heath is mad several middle school kids left shawnee and now attending Lima. Again mad bc Pughsley left Shawnees team as a sophomore due to heaths antics. He relocated to cincinnati and now back in Lima. DO WE NEED TO BRING UP WHY TYLER ULIS LEFT SHAWNEE? Ask Dick Heath. So why Heath is calling all the LCC folks to get anything in xavier trying to ruin Lima senior and Quincy, it's not going to change shawnee situation or their future, which isn't good in sports. There are no secrets in Lima area. The lcc folks will throw anyone under the bus to save themselves. That's why they've told everyone Heath has been calling them inquiring about xavier. They want it to be known it's not them when in fact they have both hands in on it too.

[Ghost of Obed]

just a thought, between his AAU coaching and his pre-head coach work with the best basketball players in not just ohio, but with the John Lucas camp...it would seem that Q has quite a bit of respect and pull statewide and further...why would Heath take a run at that guy?...isn't ONE OF THE INTENTIONS of a HS program to get their athletes exposure at the next level? (EDIT BECAUSE PAPERBOY NEEDS EVERYTHING SPELLED OUT TO HIM LIKE A 3 YEAR OLD....)

for an AD to do what is alleged here could be suicide on his schools basketball program for a long long time...I mean that's not saying much for the area, since they haven't been relevant since Butler, but I'm sure it matters to the players and parents at Shawnee.

Edited by Ghost of Obed, 11 December 2014 - 09:51 AM.

[milt73]

Ghost of Obed, on 11 December 2014 - 07:37 AM, said:

just a thought, between his AAU coaching and his pre-head coach work with the best basketball players in not just ohio, but with the John Lucas camp...it would seem that Q has quite a bit of respect and pull statewide and further...why would Heath take a run at that guy?...isn't the intent of a HS program to get their athletes exposure at the next level?

for an AD to do what is alleged here could be suicide on his schools basketball program for a long long time...I mean that's not saying much for the area, since they haven't been relevant since Butler, but I'm sure it matters to the players and parents at Shawnee.

The OHSAA deemed OJ Mayo ineligible a long time back and he was a top 5 in the country type guy, why would Q or X be outside the rules?

Rules are rules and if Q is breaking rules, (which he's already been punished two times for breaking summer contact rules) he will get punished. Or in this case, if X is ineligible then why not just sit the first 11 games then play the last half of the season? If he's deemed ineligible after lying to the OHSAA, I can see the book being thrown at the basketball program.

Maybe getting suspended for breaking rules wasn't such a bad thing. Might give Q and Zell a little time to get some things straight.

[mysteryman2014]

It's amazing how there are people who really are out to see bad for others. You guys know it all. Ha ha...
I support Quincy 100% and now that he's at lima senior I'm now supporting them 100%. I guess people like dick Heath, Denny Thompson, Denny Morris, Sean Allen and more can and will continue to send hate mail to the ohsaa. Get over it....his son is playing for dad. I'll now sit back and laugh off some of the responses going forward. Good day!!

[paperboy]

Ghost of Obed, on 11 December 2014 - 07:37 AM, said:

isn't the intent of a HS program to get their athletes exposure at the next level?

No, no, and HELL no. Not even close.

[Maltese Falcon]

When do tickets for the Jan. 27 game at LSH go on sale? That could potentially be epic.

[Ghost of Obed]

paperboy, on 11 December 2014 - 09:40 AM, said:

No, no, and HELL no. Not even close.

so you oppose HS football coaches send game tape to colleges...?

good Lord, I didn't mean the ONLY reason for HS athletics, way to cherry pick my post...

[Maltese Falcon]

So how many games have X, Pughsley, etc. been suspended? Are these guys playing Fri. night against SJJ?

[paperboy]

Ghost of Obed, on 11 December 2014 - 09:47 AM, said:

so you oppose HS football coaches send game tape to colleges...?

good Lord, I didn't mean the ONLY reason for HS athletics, way to cherry pick my post...

Yikes, defensive much? You weren't clear in your post and I answered your question. And since you asked, I don't give a rip how much exposure a kid gets in high school - no matter what the sport. Kids get exposure in the summer, and the more time coaches spend 'exposing' their studs, the less time the rest of the team gets. High school ball is not a minor league for college...it is a recreational activity for high school kids.

[Ghost of Obed]

paperboy, on 11 December 2014 - 10:12 AM, said:

Yikes, defensive much? You weren't clear in your post and I answered your question. And since you asked, I don't give a rip how much exposure a kid gets in high school - no matter what the sport. Kids get exposure in the summer, and the more time coaches spend 'exposing' their studs, the less time the rest of the team gets. High school ball is not a minor league for college...it is a recreational activity for high school kids.

sorry, I haven't had my coffee...I'll go get a cup now

although the "no..no...hell no" content of your post seemed a little over the top...sorry I wasn't clearer...

"recreational activity for kids" is a nice pithy statement but far from reality...unless your surrounded by an environment that doesn't send many kids to college for athletics...as long as college tuition rises, you'll see increased pressure to win and showcase players abilities while doing it. The average middle class (and especially low class) parent will try to give their kid every advantage to succeed and reduce the amount of debt incurred for college. I'm not saying it's right...I'm just saying.

summer is certainly a proving grounds for basketball players more than team ball, you are correct on that...however my post was in reference to Shawnee's AD contacting the OHSAA about Lima Senior...shawnee parents that I know are frankly ticked at the status of their programs across the board and this won't help keep their athletes (Elijah Pughsley, Tyler Ulis, etc). That was my point.

if you can't put talent on the floor, your ability to compete is greatly compromised.

[NWbballfan]

I wonder what Shawnee thinks of Dick Heath doing this on their dime? Same guy that ran off Lima product Tyler Ulis, who is now playing at Kentucky. Shawnee might of actually been COMPETITIVE the last few years with Ulis, if Heath didn't have his own personal agenda.

[DC/MS]

Heath, Q, X, Ulis, Pughsley, vocher, rules, suspension, residence, Shawnee Parents, hate mail, personal agenda, coffee...........interesting!

[Rd2Glory]

mysteryman2014, on 11 December 2014 - 05:48 AM, said:

The city of Lima know that Dick Heath has been contacting OHSAA in regards to Quincy. Heath is mad several middle school kids left shawnee and now attending Lima. Again mad bc Pughsley left Shawnees team as a sophomore due to heaths antics. He relocated to cincinnati and now back in Lima. DO WE NEED TO BRING UP WHY TYLER ULIS LEFT SHAWNEE? Ask Dick Heath. So why Heath is calling all the LCC folks to get anything in xavier trying to ruin Lima senior and Quincy, it's not going to change shawnee situation or their future, which isn't good in sports. There are no secrets in Lima area. The lcc folks will throw anyone under the bus to save themselves. That's why they've told everyone Heath has been calling them inquiring about xavier. They want it to be known it's not them when in fact they have both hands in on it too.

You're quite the conspiracy theorist. Anyways, if anyone came to LCC asking about Xavier's status as a student there, why would LCC do anything other than tell the truth? There certainly is no reason to "keep the secret." They'd put themselves in jeopardy and would gain nothing by doing so.

Also, I was pretty sure Xavier was NOT a voucher student. I thought he enrolled at St. Charles in 6th grade after attending Elida or Shawnee (I forget which) - in which case, he would not be eligible for a voucher regardless of his residence because he was not transferring from a "failing school."

[FlightCrew]

milt73, on 11 December 2014 - 08:23 AM, said:

The OHSAA deemed OJ Mayo ineligible a long time back and he was a top 5 in the country type guy, why would Q or X be outside the rules?

Rules are rules and if Q is breaking rules, (which he's already been punished two times for breaking summer contact rules) he will get punished. Or in this case, if X is ineligible then why not just sit the first 11 games then play the last half of the season? If he's deemed ineligible after lying to the OHSAA, I can see the book being thrown at the basketball program.

Maybe getting suspended for breaking rules wasn't such a bad thing. Might give Q and Zell a little time to get some things straight.

I think you mean Bill Walker. Mayo left on his own accord and went to Huntington, WV.
It is very unfortunate they did not play their senior years in Ohio.
Flat out amazing and extremely fun to watch.

Edited by FlightCrew, 11 December 2014 - 02:23 PM.

[LimaJock]

By the way, Bertke had Shawnee program humming right along when he was there. There was a 3 or 4 year span where Bertke's WBL record was either best or second best of all the coaches in the league during the time span. If he wasn't forced out the program would of continued to be very good each of the years since then. High School basketball is pretty much become non existent in Lima. Alot of the current breed of player no longer place value in their school and community. It's just a winter AAU for them and we know how loyal anyone is in spring/summer AAU.

THE PROPHET HAS SPOKEN.

LJ

Edited by LimaJock, 11 December 2014 - 07:24 PM.

[milt73]

FlightCrew, on 11 December 2014 - 02:23 PM, said:

I think you mean Bill Walker. Mayo left on his own accord and went to Huntington, WV.
It is very unfortunate they did not play their senior years in Ohio.
Flat out amazing and extremely fun to watch.

I thought Mayo was made ineligible because he played basketball in Kentucky as an 8th grader, then moved to Ohio and couldn't play after his junior season because he already had 4 years of HS sports? I could definitely be wrong, ha.

Bill Walker did use up all his years of eligibility also. You're correct in that having two of the top 10 kids in the country on the team was just awesome to watch.

Back to the topic. What did Simpson and Pughsley do to get suspended?

[krumlman]

Dick Heath has small man syndrome....take some pills.....your "whine" is terrible....from all the years of sour grapes !!!