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[Bluetiger76]

Good post HH75. Hard to disagree with what you are saying.

[Pantherbuff]

The whiners about LB should leave......You don't hear the small schools in the MAC crying about the bigger schools, nor, the same about Patrict Henry complaining about the larger schools in their conf.....They just work harder to build a competive team, and they do year after year!!

[HH75]

Pantherbuff, on 16 February 2014 - 09:44 AM, said:

The whiners about LB should leave......You don't hear the small schools in the MAC crying about the bigger schools, nor, the same about Patrict Henry complaining about the larger schools in their conf.....They just work harder to build a competive team, and they do year after year!!

Ok! . Well then ,if that is all it is (working harder) I will just move on.
You've completely changed my mind back . Thanks. Good day!

[cropduster]

Pantherbuff, on 16 February 2014 - 09:44 AM, said:

The whiners about LB should leave......You don't hear the small schools in the MAC crying about the bigger schools, nor, the same about Patrict Henry complaining about the larger schools in their conf.....They just work harder to build a competive team, and they do year after year!!

Uh um check that it is going on in the MAC, New Bremen thread almost the identical situation.

[Pantherbuff]

cropduster, on 16 February 2014 - 12:48 PM, said:

Uh um check that it is going on in the MAC, New Bremen thread almost the identical situation.

That' s one school....Ask Maion Local , DSJ, or St Henry what they think of playing bigger schools and I'm sure that they aren't complaying...

[effingA]

DSJ is in the MAC because they COULDN'T hang in the WBL...

[KitnaSucks]

That was more than 30 years ago.

[HH75]

I would like to see enrollment numbers from all the BVC schools from lets say...
'84 , '94 '04 and '14.

Lets see what has happened to each over that time frame.
I'm not going to look them up but would be interested in seeing them.

Of course McComb's numbers would be better if the industry in town would pay little better so people could drive down the street to work, instead of watching the buses roll in an out daily headed some where south of the boarder .

[LimaJock]

HH75, on 15 February 2014 - 08:23 PM, said:

Up until a few months ago I wasn't a "LB should leave the bvc" guy. I had my reasons, some may have been shortsighted or personal , maybe even been caught up in some "its tradition" But lately ..... even the LB people need to ask?.... what do we gain by playing.... say .... Arcadia and winning by 55?(football) . Or, Last night LB beat Leipsic in bball 83-30. Really?? What did your starting 5 get out of playing in that game?? Be honest! Face it none of the other BVC schools are going to grow. It would take nothing less then a small miracle to get CR or Arlington or Pandora up to LB numbers (with out consolidation).

The ONLY thing you are getting out of staying is short bus rides to and from games. Be honest with yourselfs and ask, do I really want to go see a 65 point beat down of CR again?

Its been a good ride up until now, we have all (for the most part) had a bit of success here and there, but all things eventually need some kind of change.

So with no anger and no hate I must say... don't go away mad... but go away. We can still be friends.

What a well thought out post.....I'm impressed . What is the strength of a small school conference?? That success rotates among most of the schools due the difficulty of sustaining it due to the small enrollment numbers. This is still true in this league other than LB. LJ

[Pantherbuff]

HH75, on 16 February 2014 - 03:00 PM, said:

I would like to see enrollment numbers from all the BVC schools from lets say...
'84 , '94 '04 and '14.

Lets see what has happened to each over that time frame.
I'm not going to look them up but would be interested in seeing them.

Of course McComb's numbers would be better if the industry in town would pay little better so people could drive down the street to work, instead of watching the buses roll in an out daily headed some where south of the boarder .

You mean from Toledo?

[effingA]

The timeframe isn't important. DSJ left because they were tired of losing... just like USV and Perry left the NWC. They felt they couldn't compete in football. There are parallels to the small BVC schools now.

[HH75]

Pantherbuff, on 16 February 2014 - 06:02 PM, said:

You mean from Toledo?

Ok that way too. I see them heading south down 235 to south I-75 too.


Did you read the HN power point that was posted on one of the HN threads? LB and VB both stated that they were growing tired of the rest of the league not being able to field JV, Freshmen, and even some Jr hi teams , and were going to start a new league if expanding didn't happen, is that a "work harder" problem for the other schools? Or simply an issue of lack of numbers per grade? That tells me that LB is still interested in short bus rides than actually moving leagues .

You have to remember that you only get a certain% of kids per class that will participate. If I start with a class with 18 boys in it and just play the % your left with about 3-5 (if Lucky) kids that will play. Some kids have figured out that sports just isn't their thing. Then add in the kids that just flat out do nothing and their parents are more than happy to not spend any more time than absolutely necessary at the school.

So its a matter of working harder right? And how soon will you be asking the OHSAA to eliminate the divisions and go to a single tournament?? Better get Alge on the phone and tell em to start working cause the Panthers might just line up with St. Ignatius in the first round !

[HH75]

LimaJock, on 16 February 2014 - 05:24 PM, said:

What a well thought out post.....I'm impressed . . LJ

Wow!! a gold star endorsement from LJ !! Should have bought a lottery ticket!

[Pantherbuff]

HH75, on 16 February 2014 - 08:32 PM, said:

Ok that way too. I see them heading south down 235 to south I-75 too.


Did you read the HN power point that was posted on one of the HN threads? LB and VB both stated that they were growing tired of the rest of the league not being able to field JV, Freshmen, and even some Jr hi teams , and were going to start a new league if expanding didn't happen, is that a "work harder" problem for the other schools? Or simply an issue of lack of numbers per grade? That tells me that LB is still interested in short bus rides than actually moving leagues .

You have to remember that you only get a certain% of kids per class that will participate. If I start with a class with 18 boys in it and just play the % your left with about 3-5 (if Lucky) kids that will play. Some kids have figured out that sports just isn't their thing. Then add in the kids that just flat out do nothing and their parents are more than happy to not spend any more time than absolutely necessary at the school.

So its a matter of working harder right? And how soon will you be asking the OHSAA to eliminate the divisions and go to a single tournament?? Better get Alge on the phone and tell em to start working cause the Panthers might just line up with St. Ignatius in the first round !

Yes ,I agree that numbers of players have droped in a lot of school sports for a lot of reason. Something that coach Alge and Coach Burrnow did for several years was to create a atmaspher where the kids want to come out and play hard for them. Thats where the work harder starts. It's not easy for these coaches to do this.I've seen seaveral Games that McComb should not have won because lack of talent, but, because they working harder and did not giving up It all started by good coaching and suport by the players parents and the community much like HN had and McComb sill has....{ I don't know for how much longer, but, I hope for a long time..} And I hope the best for HN and all schools that are having these issuse and not rip on those that aren't....Most of us who right on these threads and read them, enjoy our sports and mean well. Lets keep it that way...

Edited by Pantherbuff, 16 February 2014 - 09:42 PM.

[HH75]

Where did I rip on LB? In my original post. I simply stated that it is just time to move on. More so for the sake of their kids. Success like they are currently having against the rest of the league could somewhat windup hurting their programs.... First fans stop going because the outcomes are a forgone conclusion, then kids get board with it and don't bother to play next year. Casual fans / fans with only elementary kids don't go for the same reason and now their kids don't grow up going to games and you end up with numbers problems in a few years

Oh well ....another time perhaps..... time to make the donuts....

[bvcgrad]

Is that what happened at H-N ? Kids got BORED from winning to much ? How the heck does Marion Local field a team? Let LB worry about them selves . I know year in and year out Arlington looks forward to that game, alot of times foolishly but we do !

[RealDeal]

HH75, on 17 February 2014 - 03:32 AM, said:

Where did I rip on LB? In my original post. I simply stated that it is just time to move on. More so for the sake of their kids. Success like they are currently having against the rest of the league could somewhat windup hurting their programs.... First fans stop going because the outcomes are a forgone conclusion, then kids get board with it and don't bother to play next year. Casual fans / fans with only elementary kids don't go for the same reason and now their kids don't grow up going to games and you end up with numbers problems in a few years

Oh well ....another time perhaps..... time to make the donuts....

I have been saying this for a long time. LB, please join the WBL where your kids can compete against schools that can actually field full rosters and have track and Cross country teams. Do it for your kids. Not so you can guarantee wins from 5 schools every year in every sport. Hard to compare across conferences. Patrick Henry has a boys enrollment of 119, I think that would be third highest in the BVC. Bryan has 240. 119 vs 240 is a lot different than 159 (LB) vs. 30 (VanLue) or 50 (HN). LB plays against at least 4 teams that barely field a team. Did the BVC leadership think North Baltimore was going to help??

[HH75]

bvcgrad, on 17 February 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

Is that what happened at H-N ? Kids got BORED from winning to much ? How the heck does Marion Local field a team? Let LB worry about them selves . I know year in and year out Arlington looks forward to that game, alot of times foolishly but we do !

To an extent ,yes. Kids started thinking they could just put on the uniform and magically wins would happen. They were"bored" with the work it tookIt has happened at small schools multiple times . CR was untouchable for a time, Versailles had like a 50+ win streak in the early 90's St Henry has not been as dominant lately still good , DSJ is still mighty good but they don't have 65 kids on roster. It will happen at Marion local at some point. They haven't always been on top like this.

Your an Arlington guy , what ever happened to the late great Arlington program of the 70's and 80's?

Don't take all this to hard its just a fact that small schools will go thru this type of thing.

I've said it many times All these programs that have had the huge magical runs better completely enjoy it now.

[fightingpanther]

HN joining the NWCC will be a much better fit for all athletics at HN. They will be able to compete in all sports and this will improve participation and attendance at games. Which will create a much better atmosphere for all sports at the school. NWCC is a win win for the district and a new football coach trying to bring the program back to what it once was.

[BlueBuckIjays]

effingA, on 16 February 2014 - 02:33 PM, said:

DSJ is in the MAC because they COULDN'T hang in the WBL...

Because they were the smallest school in the WBL and getting smaller. Plus not winning had a lot to do with it. Were not winning for more than a few reasons one of them being St. John's was still known as a basketball school and a lot of their better athletes did not go out for football. I remember reading St. Mary's Coach Baughman saying if some of those big 6'4 250 guys from St Johns go out for football they could be pretty good. Even in the late 80's after being in the MAC for 5 years they still weren't winning and were thinking of dropping football. Then a new coach came in and changed the attitude and emphasized the weight program and more of those big basketball players went out to play football too. It just wasn't that they were playing schools more their size it was a combination of things including better coaching, hard work by the players and getting more of the better athletes out for football.