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[WGsupport]

 tunnelvision, on 29 January 2014 - 08:24 AM, said:

My two cents: Ted was at Perry for a few years before Waynesfield. We never had any problem with him. He was pretty much the same guy he was at Waynesfield. I will say that he had veteran teams to work with at Perry. Teds team this year is EXTREMELY young. There is a big difference in senior being able to take his bashing than a freshman. Not saying its right, but offers an explanation. It came to a head this year because all of his girls are so young and parents have had enough.. In Teds mind, he only had a few more years to actually do something in the tournament, so he may have panicked, I have no clue. One of the big reasons I believe that the administration hadn't done anything is that they were winning. Winning masks a lot of problems.

I know coaches yell, but generally they yell at the team, not individuals. Coaches also praise players and don't take them out of the game when they make simple mistakes, and don't yell at them to shut up in front of fans and ADMINISTRATION. The fact that it took this long is surprising.

Speaking of winning. I ask what has he truly won? The NWCC is mediocre at best, he never makes it past a district semi final because he generally runs into a team with equal talent and he gets outcoached. So, saying they kept him because he wins is a piss poor excuse. I don't think he truly has won anything. Sectional championship t shirts aren't enough with the talent he has had at his disposal. Not to mention the players that no longer play because he was the coach. Obviously players get tired of the screaming, hence 1 senior 2 juniors playing and 13 total girls to start the season. The freshman class alone dropped half of there players from a very successful team, that does not happen at programs that have success.

[tigerfan]

Well said WGSupport

[zerodrama]

WGSupport: You state "what has he won?" above in your post. YOu say the NWCC is mediocre at best, runs into a better team at district and gets out coached...

It would be interesting to ask the players from those teams that won in that mediocre league to see how they feel about a statement like that, coming from a "supporter" of the team....ask the girls if their 1,000 point careers that have been recorded if they should be taken down...since it was done in a mediocre league, against sub=par talent...that their sectional title wins really didn't mean anything....

See, in just your nature of ripping one person, you rip the entire team and their accomplishments both as a team and as individuals...supporters....TRUE supporters don't do that.

I wasn't going to comment alot about anything, but after reading the thread...I feel bad for all the kids that PLAYED and didn't give up because they LOVED the game of basketball...they were successful, and most people are berating their success because they didn't like the coach that was leading them. I have read other threads were numerous players came out in support of the coach...some from players currently on the team.

The kids on this team were having success once again at 9-3 when all this broke loose...

Thinking back on former coaches from the area that had tempers...or were they just different ways to get things done????
Chris Adams...I always read how people get on him...very successful. Kids loved him.
Jack Albers...Marion Local
Treva...Marion Local...
Anna's former coach Billingsley I think was his last name...

Just think about what is being said on this forum...could the kids of today have played for any of the coaches mentioned??? Obviously they can, as Anna just won a State Championship...does anyone think the Shelby County league is mediocre??? The Mac??? WBL???? If my sources are correct WG beat Shawnee this year, and only lost to Marion Local by a few points they were ranked #1 in State polls until they lost some players to injury. Could this team play for Treva (don't know her last name) at Marion Local????

The "players" that didn't play due to him being the coach...would you want them on your team??? Where is their drive and passion for the game???? Ask the girls that did play...would they want them on their team??? I don't know, but my guess would be no.

I don't know, I just think when you down the league, the coach, and declare it all mediocre...and him lucky...you sold out the girls that were there competing and winning. I would rather have the girls that wanted to compete and win. Say what you want about who the coach was...what he was like...his antics/methods...whatever...
Hopefully next year there will 30 girls in the program and the season will be successful for all...I pity the coach...who ever it may be. If they don't win with that many girls in the program the excuse is already built in to get rid of them too...anyone should be successful with 30 in the program...right?????

People are never happy with what they have...always wanting something different. I will go with the previous girls statements in some other posts where they have defended everyone involved in the program. They respected their coach and love to come back and see him...and were excited about the team this year...

[zerodrama]

Good luck to the players that are still there playing this season. Your passion and desire to compete and excel are the essentials needed to be successful later in life. You will be successful in life as well.

[WGsupport]

 zerodrama, on 30 January 2014 - 11:35 PM, said:

WGSupport: You state "what has he won?" above in your post. YOu say the NWCC is mediocre at best, runs into a better team at district and gets out coached...

It would be interesting to ask the players from those teams that won in that mediocre league to see how they feel about a statement like that, coming from a "supporter" of the team....ask the girls if their 1,000 point careers that have been recorded if they should be taken down...since it was done in a mediocre league, against sub=par talent...that their sectional title wins really didn't mean anything....

See, in just your nature of ripping one person, you rip the entire team and their accomplishments both as a team and as individuals...supporters....TRUE supporters don't do that.

I wasn't going to comment alot about anything, but after reading the thread...I feel bad for all the kids that PLAYED and didn't give up because they LOVED the game of basketball...they were successful, and most people are berating their success because they didn't like the coach that was leading them. I have read other threads were numerous players came out in support of the coach...some from players currently on the team.

The kids on this team were having success once again at 9-3 when all this broke loose...

Thinking back on former coaches from the area that had tempers...or were they just different ways to get things done????
Chris Adams...I always read how people get on him...very successful. Kids loved him.
Jack Albers...Marion Local
Treva...Marion Local...
Anna's former coach Billingsley I think was his last name...

Just think about what is being said on this forum...could the kids of today have played for any of the coaches mentioned??? Obviously they can, as Anna just won a State Championship...does anyone think the Shelby County league is mediocre??? The Mac??? WBL???? If my sources are correct WG beat Shawnee this year, and only lost to Marion Local by a few points they were ranked #1 in State polls until they lost some players to injury. Could this team play for Treva (don't know her last name) at Marion Local????

The "players" that didn't play due to him being the coach...would you want them on your team??? Where is their drive and passion for the game???? Ask the girls that did play...would they want them on their team??? I don't know, but my guess would be no.

I don't know, I just think when you down the league, the coach, and declare it all mediocre...and him lucky...you sold out the girls that were there competing and winning. I would rather have the girls that wanted to compete and win. Say what you want about who the coach was...what he was like...his antics/methods...whatever...
Hopefully next year there will 30 girls in the program and the season will be successful for all...I pity the coach...who ever it may be. If they don't win with that many girls in the program the excuse is already built in to get rid of them too...anyone should be successful with 30 in the program...right?????

People are never happy with what they have...always wanting something different. I will go with the previous girls statements in some other posts where they have defended everyone involved in the program. They respected their coach and love to come back and see him...and were excited about the team this year...

All of the coaches you mentioned had greater success in the tournament than anything Patton has done. 1,000 point careers are great, but the accomplishments of the team should be above all else. Look at the successful teams from this area in the past, they are always more than one player. The WG teams have had talent, and had talent this year. But when you played scared to make a mistake instead of PLAYING you minimize the talent. Yes they beat Shawnee, who has never been an upper echelon WBL team, and lost to Marion Local when ML had only 1 week of practice.

You hear from players that played for him, how about hearing from players that gave up basketball because of him, has anybody ever talked to them about why they gave up the game?

And, no the accomplishments of previous teams should not be diminished because of the league we play in. My post is everybody claims that he was successful and I ask how successful? Is a sectional championship your determination for success when you play a USV team with a losing record for that championship?

The coaches you mentioned also didn't berate players on the sideline. You can yell at officials, yell at the team, but don't belittle your players and make them feel less than they are. Put any of those coaches with the teams from the past at WG or WG this year and I guarantee their would be more success and longer tourny runs.

[Common Sense]

zerodrama, excellent post, and I think it really describes this situation. Those who want to put in the time, but up with whatever, do and are mostly happy about it. Those who didn't, chose not to play and are happy with their decisions. Life lesson here is this happens everyday in our workplaces. People don't get along with co-workers or bosses and they leave, go find another job. If you like the job that much, you put up with more crap. It's really very simple. The WG community and administration was ok with how things were run in the past, and that's fine. Success is defined differently by different people If you define success as trips to state, you're going to be disappointed just about all the time. Success to me is getting the most out of your team, year in and year out. At nearly every game I've ever been to, one team wins, one team loses. Does that make the other team losers?? No, not necessarily.

[Stewart Little]

 WGsupport, on 31 January 2014 - 10:46 AM, said:

All of the coaches you mentioned had greater success in the tournament than anything Patton has done. 1,000 point careers are great, but the accomplishments of the team should be above all else. Look at the successful teams from this area in the past, they are always more than one player. The WG teams have had talent, and had talent this year. But when you played scared to make a mistake instead of PLAYING you minimize the talent. Yes they beat Shawnee, who has never been an upper echelon WBL team, and lost to Marion Local when ML had only 1 week of practice.

You hear from players that played for him, how about hearing from players that gave up basketball because of him, has anybody ever talked to them about why they gave up the game?

And, no the accomplishments of previous teams should not be diminished because of the league we play in. My post is everybody claims that he was successful and I ask how successful? Is a sectional championship your determination for success when you play a USV team with a losing record for that championship?

The coaches you mentioned also didn't berate players on the sideline. You can yell at officials, yell at the team, but don't belittle your players and make them feel less than they are. Put any of those coaches with the teams from the past at WG or WG this year and I guarantee their would be more success and longer tourny runs.

Is WG the only school that has ever had players not go out for basketball because of the coach? NO! Every school has this happen. And so many times the excuse is 'because of the coach' but honestly, in most cases, the coach is the scapegoat.

At Arlington we have had a number of good female athletes that have chosen to not play for coach Newlove. I don't blame the coach. If these girls truly wanted to play the sport, they would endure. Life isn't always easy, sometimes God puts barricades in your way that you need to work around. Today's youth often decides to not break down the barricades, and mom and dad take their side, allowing them to take the easy path.

In the BVC alone their are a number of coaches that I would categorize as 'hard nosed' coaches. Newlove, Irwin, Baker and each year they seem to be able to motivate the girls to perform. I respect these coaches. I know from the experience of watching coach Newlove that he is not going to hold your hand and sing kumbaya, he expects demands his girls to give effort and when they don't they know it. But at the end of the day he loves those kids...every one of them! And in the long run, each one of them is better for it. They may not think so now, but at the end of the day, career, or down the road of life, these girls will look back and know that he had an affect on their lives.

Now their are the cases of physical abuse that I would never support! Never! A coach should never lay a hand on a kid for any reason other then a high five or to put an arm around them when they need to be consoled, or a hug for winning a big game. If there was physical abuse at WG then the right decision was made. If there are no signs of abuse, then the B of E should have waited until the end of the year to act. Parents are too active in the lives of our kids today. In my day, my father would have never thought of approaching a coach unless he was physically hurting me. In fact, after getting a good reaming from the coach, my dad most often would say that the coach was too easy on me. We are raising kids to be weak today. Everything has to be FAIR!

As I look around for a soap box to jump onto, I realize I need to shut up!