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[dw629]

The Owl, on 31 January 2014 - 09:40 AM, said:

Inselman is significantly better than the Fells and Schriner? Sure about that?

OG was the perpetual doormat of the WBL before Coach Schriner turned things around. They averaged about one win a year for a decade with zero playoff appearances or WBL titles in the history of the school. Before Schriner's first season of 6-4, they were 0-10 and hadn't even had a winning record in over a decade. Now, 7-3 is considered an average year and everyone takes it for granted. Heck, they went 6-4 this year and were considered "down" after last year's 10-0 team.

Maybe Teddy can do a better job with stats, but I think the Titans went to the playoffs 8 years in a row and are in double digit appearances despite being the smallest school in the WBL. Patrick Henry is a great football program but they don't have to deal with teams like Kenton or some of the athletes that OG has faced and defeated in the last decade, including the Mauk brothers and Micah Hyde of Fostoria - who is wearing green and yellow on Sundays.

OG also have a very good soccer program pulling athletes as well, something that MAC schools don't have to deal with and a big part of their unquestioned supremacy in Ohio small school football. Schriner has also had very high turnover on his coaching staff which is something many good programs haven't had to deal with.

OG's playoff losses are to an impressive list of storied programs including Germantown Valleyview, Bishop Watterson, Marion Pleasant, Genoa, Huron, Chagrin Falls and Bishop Hartley. Their only loss to a team that I considered good and not great was Archbold,

True, the Titans only made it to the state semis, and don't have a state title or runner-up finish. But considering their regular season schedule and playoff path is light years tougher than Patrick Henry's is, I'd say Schriners resume is at least comparable to Inselman's.

Agree comparable but don't really think there is a strong case for Schriner. That archbold team you talk about that beat 9-1 OG I think by 20? PH beat by 40 few weeks earlier. Also, I know OG went 2-8 following year and 6-4 this year down year? PH hasn't lost 4 games since mid 90s when Inselman took over and PH program was in shambles probably worse than OG. PH also one of smallest schools in conference with D3 waseon Bryan (who took Kenton to wire this year) archbold delta LC and evergreen.

Agree Schriner has done good things but to call him a homerun and Inselman not is a mistake.

[dw629]

dw629, on 31 January 2014 - 12:26 PM, said:

Agree comparable but don't really think there is a strong case for Schriner. That archbold team you talk about that beat 9-1 OG I think by 20? PH beat by 40 few weeks earlier. Also, I know OG went 2-8 following year and 6-4 this year down year? PH hasn't lost 4 games since mid 90s when Inselman took over and PH program was in shambles probably worse than OG. PH also one of smallest schools in conference with D3 waseon Bryan (who took Kenton to wire this year) archbold delta LC and evergreen.

Agree Schriner has done good things but to call him a homerun and Inselman not is a mistake.

Also 2 playoff loses to Athletes like Aaron Craft who's not bad basketball player at OSU and Keith Wennig who's wasn't a bad QB at Ball St now working on playing in the NFL.

[2Legit2Quit]

Lets add Travis Moyer from Wynford as a candidate.

[The Owl]

dw629, on 31 January 2014 - 12:26 PM, said:

Agree comparable but don't really think there is a strong case for Schriner. That archbold team you talk about that beat 9-1 OG I think by 20? PH beat by 40 few weeks earlier. Also, I know OG went 2-8 following year and 6-4 this year down year? PH hasn't lost 4 games since mid 90s when Inselman took over and PH program was in shambles probably worse than OG. PH also one of smallest schools in conference with D3 waseon Bryan (who took Kenton to wire this year) archbold delta LC and evergreen.

Agree Schriner has done good things but to call him a homerun and Inselman not is a mistake.

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You seem to be wavering in your take.

First you say that Inselman's resume is significantly better, then you say that they are comparable but there isn't a strong case for Schriner in the same post.

We may have to agree to disagree, but I think Kenton, Celina, Wapak, Elida, Fostoria and other top teams in the WBL of the last decade are well above the level of competition PH faces in Evergreen and Delta. Bryan has only been good recently and the Kenton team they lost to this year isn't even one of the top 3 that Kenton has fielded in the last decade.

When you are comparing Maty Mauk who is playing SEC competition and winning to Aaron Craft who probably couldn't have even played DI football, your argument doesn't hold water.

Also, without doing the research I highly doubt PH pre-Inselman was as bad as OG was pre-Schriner. Yes, OG did lose to Archbold but that's only one game and you are comparing career resumes.

In my opinion both coaches are very good and run consistent winning programs which makes them both comparable, and you seem to think Inselman clearly has the better career.

[whatdoiknow]

I feel bad for the guy who gets the job. I just cant see some of the big names pulling the trigger on the position and the expectations are borderline insane.

[Redskin72]

whatdoiknow, on 31 January 2014 - 03:24 PM, said:

I feel bad for the guy who gets the job. I just cant see some of the big names pulling the trigger on the position and the expectations are borderline insane.

And expectations are you talking about? Frye had winningest 4yr period in history and people were happy. Nobody is expecting state title or state title runs with the division and region we are in. But expecting to compete for wbl titles every year and have a shot a playoffs isn't insane IMO. The bar has been raised in Wapak, but I feel we are pretty realistic. Talent is there and more is coming up. A good coach could come in and have some success

[the_beezer]

Redskin72, on 31 January 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

And expectations are you talking about? Frye had winningest 4yr period in history and people were happy. Nobody is expecting state title or state title runs with the division and region we are in. But expecting to compete for wbl titles every year and have a shot a playoffs isn't insane IMO. The bar has been raised in Wapak, but I feel we are pretty realistic. Talent is there and more is coming up. A good coach could come in and have some success

I agree 100% with what you said. All we are asking is a coach who will keep the program on its current path. State titles are going to be tough but winning a couple of state games and a WBL title not to much to ask for.

[2Legit2Quit]

Redskin72, on 31 January 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

And expectations are you talking about? Frye had winningest 4yr period in history and people were happy. Nobody is expecting state title or state title runs with the division and region we are in. But expecting to compete for wbl titles every year and have a shot a playoffs isn't insane IMO. The bar has been raised in Wapak, but I feel we are pretty realistic. Talent is there and more is coming up. A good coach could come in and have some success

At this point a WBL title is all Wapakoneta wants. Wapakoneta sold their souls to the devil and Frye still couldn't produce one of those, let alone a win that mattered.

[dartmaster63]

2Legit2Quit, on 31 January 2014 - 05:33 PM, said:

At this point a WBL title is all Wapakoneta wants. Wapakoneta sold their souls to the devil and Frye still couldn't produce one of those, let alone a win that mattered.

I agree that the WBL title should be the goal ...every year...
However, I disagree with the statement that Frye had no wins that mattered...
I think that ALL wins matter, and a road playoff win vs Franklin mattered a lot

[the_beezer]

dartmaster63, on 31 January 2014 - 05:58 PM, said:

I agree that the WBL title should be the goal ...every year...
However, I disagree with the statement that Frye had no wins that mattered...
I think that ALL wins matter, and a road playoff win vs Franklin mattered a lot

When your used to losing or just breaking even 33 wins in 4 years and 2 playoff appearances seems like the super bowl. We beat every team in the WBL at least once even Kenton at home. All 4 years our kids beat St. Marys handily. It even got to a point we expected to win not hoping. I would take this feeling every year just feels good to compete for a WBL title. 2 years it came down to us and Kenton once at the end of the year and once the first game of the year. To see all these people posting about who is going to be our next coach wouldnt be like this if it was a losing program with no hope.

[NWbballfan]

Wapak ohio or Odessa Texas??

[LimaJock]

Shriner is not one of the final candidates for the job. All are coaches from out of this area, but I heard were good candidates.

THE PROPHET HAS SPOKEN

LJ

[the_beezer]

NWbballfan, on 31 January 2014 - 09:06 PM, said:

Wapak ohio or Odessa Texas??

Footballs all little bigger in Wapak.

[wapak_redskin_fan]

Any clue who the 7 are who is going to get interviewed?

[madman]

The Owl, on 31 January 2014 - 03:03 PM, said:

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You seem to be wavering in your take.

First you say that Inselman's resume is significantly better, then you say that they are comparable but there isn't a strong case for Schriner in the same post.

We may have to agree to disagree, but I think Kenton, Celina, Wapak, Elida, Fostoria and other top teams in the WBL of the last decade are well above the level of competition PH faces in Evergreen and Delta. Bryan has only been good recently and the Kenton team they lost to this year isn't even one of the top 3 that Kenton has fielded in the last decade.

When you are comparing Maty Mauk who is playing SEC competition and winning to Aaron Craft who probably couldn't have even played DI football, your argument doesn't hold water.

Also, without doing the research I highly doubt PH pre-Inselman was as bad as OG was pre-Schriner. Yes, OG did lose to Archbold but that's only one game and you are comparing career resumes.

In my opinion both coaches are very good and run consistent winning programs which makes them both comparable, and you seem to think Inselman clearly has the better career.

I would not consider Celina a top team in the last decade.

[LimaJock]

TheOwl said. " Aaron Craft who probably couldn't have even played DI football, your argument doesn't hold water. "

No longer a credible source. LJ

[the_beezer]

LimaJock, on 31 January 2014 - 10:49 PM, said:

TheOwl said. " Aaron Craft who probably couldn't have even played DI football, your argument doesn't hold water. "

No longer a credible source. LJ

NO SOUP FOR YOU!

[The Owl]

LimaJock, on 31 January 2014 - 10:49 PM, said:

TheOwl said. " Aaron Craft who probably couldn't have even played DI football, your argument doesn't hold water. "

No longer a credible source. LJ

You're joking, right?

What position would Craft have played in college football, and show me a link that suggests that even a single D1 college was recruiting him.

Aaron Craft wouldn't have even played football if he'd gone to a big high school with a top flight football program.

[Exo4life]

No doubt Craft could have played in the defensive backfield for someone in division 1.

[NWbballfan]

dartmaster63, on 31 January 2014 - 05:58 PM, said:

I agree that the WBL title should be the goal ...every year...
However, I disagree with the statement that Frye had no wins that mattered...
I think that ALL wins matter, and a road playoff win vs Franklin mattered a lot

1st year he coudlnt get it done against elida to boost them into playoffs. 2nd year had Kenton at home for the WBL title in the most packed hs game I've seen around here and didn't get it done. Missed the playoffs his third year with what HE considered one of the most talented senior class he's ever coached. And lose a close home playoff game in his last game at HOME. He did lose the big games.