154 replies to this topic

[foamcity]

bb, this isnt about me. Its about fighting for the kids at C-R. They deserve to have the same expectations and opportunities that I was given many years ago.

[Bigbrownman]

foamcity, on 18 October 2013 - 11:36 AM, said:

bb, this isnt about me. Its about fighting for the kids at C-R. They deserve to have the same expectations and opportunities that I was given many years ago.

Then learn to use your big boy ways of communicating and all will be well We can all... or most of us... can be quite civil and will actually listen to valid points if you don't resort to name calling.

Unfortunately I'm one of those people who's not too big to walk away from insults lol.

[Common Sense]

Hagen, on 17 October 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

Two reasons:
1. The hard-to-accept fact is that class sizes are dwindling, for the most part, in rural schools & also that kids, as a whole, are less physically active today due to having other options for entertainment with television, internet and game consoles, as opposed to going outside and actually doing something physically with friends. Participation in extra-curriculars are down across the board. Also, concept of "team" is down across society as "individuality" is being encouraged from younger ages.
2. If smaller schools wish to excel in fall sports, they will need to choose between soccer and football. It's extremely rare for small rural public schools to be good at both without an outstanding culture/long-tenured coaches.
"The times, they are a changin'...

Two, very valid points. Look, there has always been kids who want to take it easy, watch TV, or whatever the "lazy" way is, so don't completley blame the internet on these things. What you need is a culture of success. YOu need a key parent or two in each class who is willing to volunteer their time to coaching these kids in the elementary levels. Yes, this includes doing summer activities and not going to the lake every weekend or going on vacations. It's an investment in your kid and the communities future.
You have to get a vision from your board, superintendent and the powers that be of what success looks like. For some, having 45 kids in a class of 65 in football, soccer, volleyball or band and choir IS success. But for others, success is fielding the BEST teams that you can. The community IS NOT going to support losing programs. May not be right, but it's reality. Look at the local teams who are good at football, McComb, Arlington, Leipsic...no soccer. LB has more kids and is actually a unique situation, they somehow are able to have good athletic teams across the board. But look at Van Buren, and some of the NWC schools.

As for the first point, we're in week 7, there may be days when you can't practice for 2+ hours, especially when you have such low numbers. Maybe they are watching films? Who knows.

[foamcity]

Its either black or white, bb. I dont recall calling anyone names. but if youre that sensitive to someone being straightforward maybe you can go talk to dr. phil.

[WimbledonChamp]

JAPES, on 17 October 2013 - 09:58 PM, said:

The biggest change will be to fire Dave Siferd. He is a homo who remains from the Spike Berry era. Him and his other homo Bob Abbey mate together, sleep together and even bath together. That is pretty messed up if you would ask me.

What's your beef with siferd and abbey? Are you still mad because you sat the bench all through high school... I'm going out on a limb and say it wasn't the coaches fault... I would say someone who has coached that long probably has some clue what they are doing.... If the coaches are so bad at CR then why don't you submit your resume... You know what they say those who can't play coach...

Edited by WimbledonChamp, 18 October 2013 - 12:20 PM.

[Hagen]

foamcity, on 17 October 2013 - 07:13 PM, said:

its all about managing. hell anyone can manage.

This may be one of the more dumb things I've heard in a long time...

JAPES, on 17 October 2013 - 09:58 PM, said:

The biggest change will be to fire Dave Siferd. He is a homo who remains from the Spike Berry era. Him and his other homo Bob Abbey mate together, sleep together and even bath together. That is pretty messed up if you would ask me.

Every point you may have wanted to make is now irrelevant because you posted this. This proves you're out for personal reasons and not about what's best for the program. You've officially crossed the line into acting like the village idiot.

HH75, on 18 October 2013 - 10:31 AM, said:

To assume that some of us on here have not been involved in things or spoken up about things is idiotic!!
And if your offend by that I frankly don't care!

I never said you haven't been involved or have spoken up, but clearly you have yet to do it in a manner of civility in the appropriate setting. In all honesty, if I was AD and you spoke to me like you're posting on here, I wouldn't take anything you said seriously. And by talking to the BOE, I don't mean phone calls or chatting 1-on-1. I mean, take the time to attend a BOE meeting with peers who share your opinion, as many as you can for that matter. Until you act in a serious manner in the proper setting, you won't be taken seriously.

Also, I have yet to disagree that CR has a problem. What I'm saying is that how a select group of individuals on here have gone about it is inane. Until adults act like adults and handle this in the appropriate manner, nothing should will change. If ADs and BOEs listened to message boards, there would be about 2-5 different coaches per year. Take proper roads if you want proper results.

Edited by Hagen, 18 October 2013 - 12:28 PM.

[foamcity]

Hagen you clearly dont understand leadership. Anyone can manage day to day operations, get the busses lined up, do the scheduling, discipline johnny...etc...but being a true leader is not about managing its about having a vision and getting a group of people to work collaboratively to fulfill the vision.

[Hagen]

cmyk, on 17 October 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

_{I've seen the soccer team play, there may be one player that could help the football team.}

Common Sense, on 18 October 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

Look at the local teams who are good at football, McComb, Arlington, Leipsic...no soccer. LB has more kids and is actually a unique situation, they somehow are able to have good athletic teams across the board. But look at Van Buren, and some of the NWC schools.

Precisely. If a school has only football or only soccer in high school, students may begin to streamline themselves for their sports. Those BVC football schools are prime examples of it. Conversely, PCL soccer teams are filled with big and strong players, you can't tell me they couldn't have been bigger if they lifted differently for a sport of 5-10 second plays compared to 40 minutes of non-stop movement. Bodies can be trained if given enough time.

[foamcity]

Hagen maybe this can define a few things for you.

– The manager is a copy; the leader is an original.
– The manager maintains; the leader develops.
– The manager focuses on systems and structure; the leader focuses on people.
– The manager relies on control; the leader inspires trust.
– The manager has a short-range view; the leader has a long-range perspective.
– The manager asks how and when; the leader asks what and why.
– The manager has his or her eye always on the bottom line; the leader’s eye is on the horizon.
– The manager imitates; the leader originates.
– The manager accepts the status quo; the leader challenges it.
– The manager is the classic good soldier; the leader is his or her own person.
– The manager does things right; the leader does the right thing.

[Bigbrownman]

foamcity, on 18 October 2013 - 10:50 AM, said:

big brown bag. I was illustrating the disconnect and the waning culture that is now evident at c-r. If that question was asked 15-25 years ago, everyone would have known.

foamcity, on 18 October 2013 - 12:11 PM, said:

Its either black or white, bb. I dont recall calling anyone names. but if youre that sensitive to someone being straightforward maybe you can go talk to dr. phil.

I'll go ahead and refresh your memory anytime you ask buddy .

[Bigbrownman]

foamcity, on 18 October 2013 - 12:43 PM, said:

Hagen maybe this can define a few things for you.

– The manager is a copy; the leader is an original.
– The manager maintains; the leader develops.
– The manager focuses on systems and structure; the leader focuses on people.
– The manager relies on control; the leader inspires trust.
– The manager has a short-range view; the leader has a long-range perspective.
– The manager asks how and when; the leader asks what and why.
– The manager has his or her eye always on the bottom line; the leader’s eye is on the horizon.
– The manager imitates; the leader originates.
– The manager accepts the status quo; the leader challenges it.
– The manager is the classic good soldier; the leader is his or her own person.
– The manager does things right; the leader does the right thing.

Where did you get this bag of garbage from?

You've been reading WAY too many motivational posters.

[tunnelvision]

Whats the matter, Japes, did Dave Siferd get the coaching position over you? Grow up or get off of here.

[Hagen]

Bigbrownman, on 18 October 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

Where did you get this bag of garbage from?

From a quick Google search followed by copy/paste.

[Bigbrownman]

Hagen, on 18 October 2013 - 12:51 PM, said:

From a quick Google search followed by copy/paste.

Actually, if you google "the difference between a leader and a manager" It's literally the first result.... Copied and pasted in that format exactly...

[foamcity]

Like i said bb, if youre that sensitive go see dr. phil. Thats hardly name calling. To make it simple for ya there big fella, I thought I would point out to Hagen the differences between "managing and Leadership".

[Hagen]

foamcity, on 18 October 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

Like i said bb, if youre that sensitive go see dr. phil. Thats hardly name calling. To make it simple for ya there big fella, I thought I would point out to Hagen the differences between "managing and Leadership".

But you failed at the latter too. You merely copy/pasted a Google search result of "the difference between a leader and a manager" off a Wall Street Journal article.

[Bigbrownman]

But you didn't... you just googled it and took the first search result as gospel... Too bad life isn't that easy.

As for the name calling, you are CLEARLY a young individual, or at least I hope so, because that kind of immaturity from someone who isn't young is just sad.

I never asked for clarification of anything from you, I follow what you were trying to do, you just failed miserably at it.

There are some valid points that could probably be made to back up your argument about leadership vs. management, but that would require critical thinking, not a google search.

It's ok, keep swinging buddy, eventually you HAVE to blurt something out that is decent.... right?

In the meantime I'll keep trolling you... You're making it worth my while...

[HH75]

Hagen, on 18 October 2013 - 12:27 PM, said:

I never said you haven't been involved or have spoken up, but clearly you have yet to do it in a manner of civility in the appropriate setting. In all honesty, if I was AD and you spoke to me like you're posting on here, I wouldn't take anything you said seriously. And by talking to the BOE, I don't mean phone calls or chatting 1-on-1. I mean, take the time to attend a BOE meeting with peers who share your opinion, as many as you can for that matter. Until you act in a serious manner in the proper setting, you won't be taken seriously.

Also, I have yet to disagree that CR has a problem. What I'm saying is that how a select group of individuals on here have gone about it is inane. Until adults act like adults and handle this in the appropriate manner, nothing should will change. If ADs and BOEs listened to message boards, there would be about 2-5 different coaches per year. Take proper roads if you want proper results.

So you can detect "tone of voice" in a typed message?

[Hagen]

HH75, on 18 October 2013 - 01:21 PM, said:

So you can detect "tone of voice" in a typed message?

[foamcity]

Hagen you clearly dont understand leadership. Anyone can manage day to day operations, get the busses lined up, do the scheduling, discipline johnny...etc...but being a true leader is not about managing its about having a vision and getting a group of people to work collaboratively to fulfill the vision.

I alluded to it here, fellas. Unfortunately, I had to dumb it down even more for ya. The list is not from a wsj article, its from a book by Warren Bennis called "On becoming a leader"