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[LimaJock]

bob22, on 23 October 2013 - 12:12 PM, said:

It's later now. Please share

This small close community has some very nice people in it who have witnessed very good sporting teams and very bad sporting teams. As this says, there have been very big swings from good to bad. For example, I believe they had the chance to hire Arlington's head basketball coach years ago. Was a CR grad if I remember correctly. I assure you their basketball program would of had a very good record, in fact one of the better league records and competed for league championships, if he would of been the head coach the last 8 years or so. [however long ago it was] Why not hire him????? A position was open if I remember correctly. Because this district has had the special ability to "not see the trees because of the forest" when making athletic decisions in the past. I can't say I know "whys" for some of their athletic decisions over the last 6-8-10 years, but I sure have not understood the logic if your goal is to put your student athletes in a position to be successful. By the way, if someone wants to say athletics can't be more important than athletics, I say they both should be a focus. Look at the MAC. My hope is that the Hornets get things rolling again. It is a nice school and community. LJ

Edited by LimaJock, 26 October 2013 - 12:39 AM.

[Bigbrownman]

Do you mean athletics and academics?

[LimaJock]

Bigbrownman, on 26 October 2013 - 02:21 AM, said:

Do you mean athletics and academics?

YES, I'm usually not up so late. Thanks for correcting me. I will leave the post as is so people can see your helpful hand. LJ

[Bigbrownman]

Lol, no nig deal, just wasn't sure if there was something I wasn't getting about your post.

[cmyk]

LimaJock, on 26 October 2013 - 12:32 AM, said:

This small close community has some very nice people in it who have witnessed very good sporting teams and very bad sporting teams. As this says, there have been very big swings from good to bad. For example, I believe they had the chance to hire Arlington's head basketball coach years ago. Was a CR grad if I remember correctly. I assure you their basketball program would of had a very good record, in fact one of the better league records and competed for league championships, if he would of been the head coach the last 8 years or so. [however long ago it was] Why not hire him????? A position was open if I remember correctly. Because this district has had the special ability to "not see the trees because of the forest" when making athletic decisions in the past. I can't say I know "whys" for some of their athletic decisions over the last 6-8-10 years, but I sure have not understood the logic if your goal is to put your student athletes in a position to be successful. By the way, if someone wants to say athletics can't be more important than athletics, I say they both should be a focus. Look at the MAC. My hope is that the Hornets get things rolling again. It is a nice school and community. LJ

You are correct about the Arlington's town head Bball coach but he was turned down by Steiner who was the Principal at C-R at the time. He was against hiring C-R grads but would hire people he would know; for instance the guy he hired that pulled girls pants down and then that guy got got fired. Steiner eventually got fired for not reporting gas he was using but if you looked into to more it was because of the two people he did not hire. Arlington's Bball coach and Bill Faine.

[cmyk]

cmyk, on 26 October 2013 - 10:37 PM, said:

You are correct about the Arlington's town head Bball coach but he was turned down by Steiner who was the Principal at C-R at the time. He was against hiring C-R grads but would hire people he would know; for instance the guy he hired that pulled girls pants down and then that guy got got fired. Steiner eventually got fired for not reporting gas he was using but if you looked into to more it was because of the two people he did not hire. Arlington's Bball coach and Bill Faine.

Sorry, he would not pull them down but yank on them on the swing. There was more to it at the time...

[Common Sense]

I think it's very difficult to "armchair QB" decisions made by school boards and superintendents and principals. Yes, there may have been a position available, yes there may have been interest, but when looking at filing a teaching job, do you first look at a person's coaching abilities???
At the high school level, it's the players that make or break the programs. Being around the area for awhile, I don't recall Cory's youth programs and jr. high's having much success, which has nothing to do with the high school coach. I'll continue to say it's very hard building a successful football program at a small school when you have soccer.

[cmyk]

Common Sense, on 26 October 2013 - 10:46 PM, said:

I think it's very difficult to "armchair QB" decisions made by school boards and superintendents and principals. Yes, there may have been a position available, yes there may have been interest, but when looking at filing a teaching job, do you first look at a person's coaching abilities???
At the high school level, it's the players that make or break the programs. Being around the area for awhile, I don't recall Cory's youth programs and jr. high's having much success, which has nothing to do with the high school coach. I'll continue to say it's very hard building a successful football program at a small school when you have soccer.

To answer the question, " when looking at filing a teaching job, do you first look at a person's coaching abilities" the answer is no, but Arlington's coach still has a job. The head coach structures the coaching down to the Jr. High levels. That is what the Arlington coach does, teaches fundamentals down to the Jr. High levels through coaching. Like I said before; there may be only one player on C-R's soccer team that could help the football team.

Edited by cmyk, 26 October 2013 - 11:19 PM.

[LimaJock]

Common, I believe most CR people would say that the non hire of Arlington teacher/coach was a terrible mistake all the way around. If anyone believes that a good sports program has nothing to do with academic success is a . Good athletics teach teamwork, work ethic, discipline, organization, time management etc.etc.etc. all things that help a student in the classroom. LJ

[Common Sense]

LimaJock, on 27 October 2013 - 07:10 PM, said:

Common, I believe most CR people would say that the non hire of Arlington teacher/coach was a terrible mistake all the way around. If anyone believes that a good sports program has nothing to do with academic success is a . Good athletics teach teamwork, work ethic, discipline, organization, time management etc.etc.etc. all things that help a student in the classroom. LJ

I completely agree, sports is a great sidebar to the education program, but if you are interviewing for a teaching job, solely hiring someone because they may be a good football or basketball coach is way down the list of reasons for hiring a teacher. Fundamentals of basketball (and other sports) can be taught by anyone (dads, youth coaches, etc.) If you are going to rely on your high school varsity coach to coach every kid in your district from K-12, then you've got an issue. Finally, you don't know what soccer players could have helped the football program. You get a kid as a freshman lifting and doing speed work for 2-3 years and they may become a football player. My point is you can't take 4-5 kids out of each grade and just lose them that way, that's 15-20 kids in 4 grades.

[bob22]

In fairness to Stiener he was there when Scott Garlock and Tim Hale, the two head coaches most responsible for CR's short revival in the early 2000s, were hired. As far as anything else...good riddance.

[Casual_fan]

CR has three board seats open with five people running. Only one incumbent running, so there will be at least two new board members and possibly three.

HN has four open seats with seven people running and no incumbents.

It will be interesting to see if either one, both or neither districts start to make some tough decisions on the future of both districts athletic programs. Or will things stay the same.

[Common Sense]

Casual_fan, on 30 October 2013 - 08:23 AM, said:

CR has three board seats open with five people running. Only one incumbent running, so there will be at least two new board members and possibly three.

HN has four open seats with seven people running and no incumbents.

It will be interesting to see if either one, both or neither districts start to make some tough decisions on the future of both districts athletic programs. Or will things stay the same.

No fun being a board member today. Most of the people that should be on boards simply don't want to do it. Too many headaches. Overbearing parents, teacher unions and conduct issues, and nutty fans like us who think the football team is more important than kids graduating and being prepared for life.

[BGR_80]

Schools are nothing more than a big business and BOE's need to start looking at it that way. Whether it is concerning academics, athletics or facilities.

Tough decisons get made everyday in the business world, schools need to make them as well. Don't be afraid in districts to cut non-revenue producing sports and other programs, non-producing teachers and administrators.

I get tired of hearing this sport verses that sport and who would play what, this teach and that teacher, this AD and that AD and this coach and that coach. Drop staff members and programs that are not producing higher education or to the bottom line financially. The days of equality have long passed over in today's world.

Edited by BGR_80, 30 October 2013 - 12:50 PM.

[LimaJock]

BGR_80, on 30 October 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

Schools are nothing more than a big business and BOE's need to start looking at it that way. Whether it is concerning academics, athletics or facilities.

Tough decisons get made everyday in the business world, schools need to make them as well. Don't be afraid in districts to cut non-revenue producing sports and other programs, non-producing teachers and administrators.

I get tired of hearing this sport verses that sport and who would play what, this teach and that teacher, this AD and that AD and this coach and that coach. Drop staff members and programs that are not producing higher education or to the bottom line financially. The days of equality have long passed over in today's world.

Interesting.......LJ

[roarintiger1]

Think what you want about stuff like this being the BOE's fault. But the bottom line is that it takes all kinds of people and supporters to make and keep a successful sports program going at a public school. You can either stay and help be part of the solution, or you can leave and be part of the problem..... I know people who fit both categories. Also, in regards to one of the previous principal and superintendents, it helps when they have a kid directly involved in the sport. You'll get a much stronger effort to get a good coach hired. It might happen with the current Super somewhere down the road, but it will never happen with the current Principal.......heck, the school district isn't good enough for him to live in or to have his kids go there.

[Chief Source]

I don't blame him. As a former alum, sadly I wouldn't send my children there if I still lived in the state. I love the education/athletic success I and my classmates/teammates received, but C-R has majorly changed since then...and not for the better in either category.

[roarintiger1]

Chief Source, on 30 October 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

I don't blame him. As a former alum, sadly I wouldn't send my children there if I still lived in the state. I love the education/athletic success I and my classmates/teammates received, but C-R has majorly changed since then...and not for the better in either category.

Like I said......you can stay and be part of the solution or you can leave and be part of the problem......your attitude and opinion are exactly what I am talking about. Thanks for driving that point home.

[Bigbrownman]

roarintiger1, on 31 October 2013 - 01:14 AM, said:

Like I said......you can stay and be part of the solution or you can leave and be part of the problem......your attitude and opinion are exactly what I am talking about. Thanks for driving that point home.

I dont think he is a part of the problem by saying he wouldn, t send his kids there. Perhaps some people care more about the education their kids receive than the athletic program's success at the school.

He didn't "drive home" some cliche saying you just said while trying to prove a point...

[Chief Source]

roarintiger1, on 31 October 2013 - 01:14 AM, said:

Like I said......you can stay and be part of the solution or you can leave and be part of the problem......your attitude and opinion are exactly what I am talking about. Thanks for driving that point home.

Or perhaps, I may have moved out of state long ago for a job, and fell in love with the place I moved to...last I checked, some people do move away and never move back (can someone please check into the validity of this statement no matter what Northwest school you may be from with people you know?). I still have a subscription to the courier (online) and still read about everything going on "back home." That doesn't mean I am avoiding the problem and not being part of the solution, that is me realizing I have a job and a wonderful family to raise/take care of, right where I am located.