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[FearTheElf!!]

Okay then, the smoke seems to have cleared from the inevitable shift towards recruiting/vouchers yada yada yada and the usual suspects have all weighed in and nothing has changed from this tired debate from anyones view. Now may we get back on topic. The original question was Does Coach Cooper survive this season? My initial thought being after nine years is, does he want to leave and of course the other question is, does the school administration want him to leave. After reading through everything that has been posted here relevant to the topic, no one seems to know the answer to those additional two questions. Everything is speculation based on personal feeliings towards the coach.

Here is a sample ledger on some of things that may go into this decision, if there is one to be made by either side of the parties involved.

Why he might stay or be kept:
1. He turned around a dorment football program, improved facilities, equipment, etc etc., doing what he was brought in to do.
2. Winning programs are more profitable than losing ones, even if you don't win "the big ones"
3. He is passionate, hard working, and those close to the program, players and parents seem to like him.
4. Without a league and the difficulties of future schedules, travel, and other issues, stability and experience would be desirable.
5. Mike Fell meaning he might not be ready to let his nemesis have Lima all to himself. lol

Why he might leave or be let go:
1. The coach has been here for nine years, several years past the well documented "shelf life" from previous stints.
2. He has been John Cooper successful, meaning lots of wins just not very many meaningful ones.
3. Seeming lack of discipline by some of his players both on and off the field. Recent teams seem to get alot more personal foul penalties than their opponents. Seemingly more kids getting in season game suspensions.
4. His sideline behavior, after game comments, ref and OHSAA bashing and other documented poor behavior in the public eye.
5. He could be ready to retire, a supposed replacement is on staff and the pipeline does not appear to be as fruitful in upcoming years.
6. Joining a new league, a difficult task as is, may be impossible as long as he is the coach given his public reputation.

I am sure there are more that could be added to both sides of the ledger. Just trying to steer the debate back on course. Personally, I think if he is not done on his owns terms he will only be here one more year tops. My question is with all the recent head coaching openings, will Coach Palte remain or will he look to get out of the LCC hot spotlight.

[Dman]

The OHSAA has tried to promote rules to limit the behaviors you (wapak_redskin_fan) illuminate. The member schools (that actually take the time to vote) keep voting those proposals down. LCC voted with the majority against the latest proposal, after their AD went on radio to praise the proposal and say they would vote for it....

It would appear that among likely voters, we have reached the point in which those who benefit from status-quo out-number those who are harmed. LCC, as the primary area benefactor of athletic welfare, will always take the most criticism from those who disagree with status quo.

Anyhow, it is unfair to blame some mythical foe (OHSAA) when the OHSAA rules are nothing more than exactly what the member schools have voted for themselves.

[Rd2Glory]

FearTheElf!!, on 13 November 2013 - 11:09 AM, said:

Okay then, the smoke seems to have cleared from the inevitable shift towards recruiting/vouchers yada yada yada and the usual suspects have all weighed in and nothing has changed from this tired debate from anyones view. Now may we get back on topic. The original question was Does Coach Cooper survive this season? My initial thought being after nine years is, does he want to leave and of course the other question is, does the school administration want him to leave. After reading through everything that has been posted here relevant to the topic, no one seems to know the answer to those additional two questions. Everything is speculation based on personal feeliings towards the coach.

Here is a sample ledger on some of things that may go into this decision, if there is one to be made by either side of the parties involved.

Why he might stay or be kept:
1. He turned around a dorment football program, improved facilities, equipment, etc etc., doing what he was brought in to do.
2. Winning programs are more profitable than losing ones, even if you don't win "the big ones"
3. He is passionate, hard working, and those close to the program, players and parents seem to like him.
4. Without a league and the difficulties of future schedules, travel, and other issues, stability and experience would be desirable.
5. Mike Fell meaning he might not be ready to let his nemesis have Lima all to himself. lol

Why he might leave or be let go:
1. The coach has been here for nine years, several years past the well documented "shelf life" from previous stints.
2. He has been John Cooper successful, meaning lots of wins just not very many meaningful ones.
3. Seeming lack of discipline by some of his players both on and off the field. Recent teams seem to get alot more personal foul penalties than their opponents. Seemingly more kids getting in season game suspensions.
4. His sideline behavior, after game comments, ref and OHSAA bashing and other documented poor behavior in the public eye.
5. He could be ready to retire, a supposed replacement is on staff and the pipeline does not appear to be as fruitful in upcoming years.
6. Joining a new league, a difficult task as is, may be impossible as long as he is the coach given his public reputation.

I am sure there are more that could be added to both sides of the ledger. Just trying to steer the debate back on course. Personally, I think if he is not done on his owns terms he will only be here one more year tops. My question is with all the recent head coaching openings, will Coach Palte remain or will he look to get out of the LCC hot spotlight.

Thank you for steering this back on course.

I think the most likely scenario (if he leaves) is that he retires (which he is now eligible for). He did name a "coach in waiting," so it clearly won't be too long before he leaves.

The second most likely scenario is that he chooses to leave for a different school.

I find it highly improbable that LCC would fire him or force his resignation.

Edited by Rd2Glory, 13 November 2013 - 01:07 PM.

[flounder]

LCC will never fire Cooper simply because a good football coach with Coop's credentials is very hard to find......long live Coop!!!!!!!!!

[DC/MS]

Kool Aid?

[effingA]

Jerry will leave on his own terms when he leaves. Amongst his friends, he's mentioned heading south for a couple years... I think his wife is close to but can not retire yet...plus his son will still be in school. Don't know when but it'll be sooner than later based on what they've said.

Hate him or love him, he has been a winner. Goodluck to Jerry whenever he leaves.

[Dman]

Would he have to serve a suspension in Kentucky? Or do those penalties not cross state lines?

[wapak_redskin_fan]

Rd2Glory,
yes I mean kids who have went to the school since kindergarten or have spent several years at the school not just someone who transfers in as a junior or senior in high school because the school has a good football or basketball program. Now I know there will be situations where families relocate because of jobs or families split up and the kids go one way or the other but for kids to just be able to open enroll or transfer to school and there physical address does not change I think is wrong.

[effingA]

Suspension for what?

[FearTheElf!!]

effingA, on 13 November 2013 - 03:20 PM, said:

Suspension for what?

If he went into the Ref's locker room after the game and berated them and OHSAA as has been reported in this thread, then I suppose given previous complaints made by refs a suspension could be rendered for next year???????

[FearTheElf!!]

tunnelvision, on 10 November 2013 - 09:42 PM, said:

I know a couple guys that reffed that Crestview game. They said Jerry actually went into their locker room after the game and ripped them a new one. He then preceded to rip the assigner who gave these gentlemen the game assignment, a new one as well. As far as the officiating itself, I can't comment because I didn't see the game.

[Irish Viking 87]

Rd2Glory, on 12 November 2013 - 11:30 PM, said:

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. Are you suggesting the academic environment at LCC is not better than that at LSH?
I don't want to get back off sibject, but I'm saying that the enviroment and academics have been better at LCC long before the younger son got to jr.high age. Therefore if thats what it's really about, the older son should of been at LCC also.


It's a joke that you think there are people in the LCC community hand picking kids and paying thousands of dollars so that they can watch them play basketball for two years. Who has the money or the obsession to do something like that?

...You can't continuously say that you personally know kids who were recruited and openly admit to it, but not give any names or specifics WHATSOEVER.

I don't know what you're talking about when you refer to Coach Q charging kids?
I also don't know if he has keys to the gym, but, if he does, why would that be a concern? There are plenty of people in the community who have keys to the gym/weight room/locker room/school in general.

[Irish Viking 87]

That didn't work the way I thought it would.

[Rocketman]

We are hearing that indeed he has coached his last game at LCC.....not sure when Koza will be breaking this news to his audience.....Coach Palte is poised to take over the reins. No word on his future plans just yet....we are waterboarding our sources and hope to have more answers soon......

[pokercat]

It would not shock me if Palte decided to not take the job if Coop left..Just a hunch..

[brunowball]

pokercat, on 14 November 2013 - 10:25 AM, said:

It would not shock me if Palte decided to not take the job if Coop left..Just a hunch..

The river flowing in from Lima Senior is drying up with Fell in the building.

[pokercat]

That is probably true Brunow..But,that would be a reason to take the job IMO, knowing a little of what went on the past two seasons.

[pokercat]

Brunow--LCC has had a great deal of success over the last 7-8 years..Volleyball State champions 2007 Basketball state champions 2010 Football state semi-finalist 2010 Girls soccer regional 2011 Boys soccer team district finalist 2012,2013(I think all of those teams had best seasons in schools history) as well as numerous state appearances in boys and girls golf.. I honestly can't think of many or even any Lima City kids contributing to those teams..

[caldwell]

Palte to Delphos is the rumor!!! LCC on a free fall

[honeybadger]

Rocketman, on 14 November 2013 - 09:28 AM, said:

We are hearing that indeed he has coached his last game at LCC.....not sure when Koza will be breaking this news to his audience.....Coach Palte is poised to take over the reins. No word on his future plans just yet....we are waterboarding our sources and hope to have more answers soon......

Need help from anyone at Gitmo?...lol....