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[Bigdogg79]

Bobby, on 25 March 2013 - 08:09 AM, said:

To have a system that says that the Catholic grade schools in Lima aren't part of the LCC "district" is ridiculous. The kids that attend those schools aren't transfers when they move on to LCC.

Nobody is saying anything about Catholic grade schools not being part of LCC. The OHSAA is proposing that to be counted for sport classification purposes, the physical address of the High school will establish it's district. Kids who don't live in the district and are on the team roster will be considered out of district kids. All schools will be treated the same. My guess is it will have very little effect on most private or academy schools.

[Dman]

paperboy, on 26 March 2013 - 10:45 AM, said:

I laugh when I read about what 'happened' to those poor Leipsic kids as if they were a part of some horrible cataclysm. They got beat in a frigging basketball game! I don't know anyone from Leipsic but I have a feeling their psyches will be OK.

I get this and respect the take. You can now understand why I laugh at the supposed injustice some LCC fans believe the new system will rain down upon them. Same response...different stimulus.

I simply do not agree that a school operating in atypical fashion by claiming multiple feeder schools across multiple traditional borders should be counted the same as a traditional school. I get the argument. I disagree it should be given much merit. There will be a vote...

I believe that IF the current "LCC borders aren't fair" argument somehow wins the day and it put into the new system... it is only a matter of time beforewe are back to voting for a split.

My opinions about LCC whether I love or hate them are of no significance for this vote. But the principals opinions matter. I can only assume that their behaviors past and present will come into play. Let us hope they handle this state wide issue much better then they did when trying to get along with conference members.

I know I'm not alone when I say many of us are tired of granting special treatment to those who refuse to bend an inch. DIV II is less than an inch for LCC. I'm not saying my opinion is "fair." I'm not saying anybody else's opinions are wrong. I AM saying that LCC didn't seem to have much urge to engage in fairness discussions while part of a conference. You will have to excuse me if the sudden about face falls on deaf ears.

I wonder how many principals out there feel the same? I honestly don't know.

Edited by Dman, 26 March 2013 - 11:57 AM.

[Dman]

Bigdogg79, on 26 March 2013 - 10:46 AM, said:

Nobody is saying anything about Catholic grade schools not being part of LCC. The OHSAA is proposing that to be counted for sport classification purposes, thephysical address of the High school will establish it's district. Kids who don't live in the district and are on the team roster will be considered out of district kids. All schools will be treated the same. My guess is it will have very little effect on most private or academy schools.

I like the way you put it Bigdogg. I don't even look at this as a punishment. There is a benifit. There is a cost of that benefit. Status quo gives the benifit of crossing borders to pick up athletes NO COST. Most people agree this sucked. The new system addresses that issue by charging +5 for utilizing the benefit. Every school can choose how they want to move forward should the policy pass. It shouldn't be that big of a deal...

[paperboy]

Dman, on 26 March 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

Status quo gives the benifit of crossing borders to pick up athletes NO COST.  Most people agree this sucked.

Here is where we differ. Your 'crossing borders to pick up athletes' is my 'allowing kids to play whose parents chose to send them to your school'.If a parent chooses to send their kindergartner to a different district they aren't doing it to game the system. They could be doing it for a multitude of reasons, with sports possibly being one but likely not the main one or even in the top 10.I simply don't see how penalizing that kid (because by adding +4/5 to the enrollment just because this kid is on a roster, that's what you're doing) will help to level the playing field.

[Hound Dog]

paperboy, on 26 March 2013 - 09:04 PM, said:

Here is where we differ. Your 'crossing borders to pick up athletes' is my 'allowing kids to play whose parents chose to send them to your school'.If a parent chooses to send their kindergartner to a different district they aren't doing it to game the system. They could be doing it for a multitude of reasons, with sports possibly being one but likely not the main one or even in the top 10.I simply don't see how penalizing that kid (because by adding +4/5 to the enrollment just because this kid is on a roster, that's what you're doing) will help to level the playing field.

It would be the same for all schools. There are parents that send their children to Grove over other schools because they live closer to Grove than say Bath, Elida, and Bluffton. Grove's school district is 13 miles wide and 6 or seven miles north to south. I just don't see how you think this is unfair.

This proposal has to be seen as great for St.Johns. A majority of their students do reside within the Delphos/Landeck Area.

[Dman]

Paperboy:

What is this penalty you speak about? In most cases the athletic count goes up...and NOTHING will change. In cases where a school is lucky enough to attract a lot of transfers they may move up a class. I guess our disagreement is that I don't consider the possibility of moving up a class a big deal...let alone a penalty. No kid is denied anything. No school is singled out.

On a different note...it popped into my brain last night that IF LCC moves up to DIV II and competes at a level most expect they would or should... I would think the WBL becomes interested. How might that step up fit into this idea that somebody is being punished?

[Bigdogg79]

Hound Dog, on 26 March 2013 - 11:56 PM, said:

It would be the same for all schools. There are parents that send their children to Grove over other schools because they live closer to Grove than say Bath, Elida, and Bluffton. Grove's school district is 13 miles wide and 6 or seven miles north to south. I just don't see how you think this is unfair.

This proposal has to be seen as great for St.Johns. A majority of their students do reside within the Delphos/Landeck Area.

We are all looking forward in seeing if this much claimed "fact" is true. It will not take many out of district kids to move them up as they are always close to the cut off.

[paperboy]

Bigdogg79, on 29 March 2013 - 10:00 AM, said:

We are all looking forward in seeing if this much claimed "fact" is true. It will not take many out of district kids to move them up as they are always close to the cut off.

St. John's has a boys enrollment of 100, while the cutoff for D6 football is 119 and D4 basketball is 122. They really aren't close.Considering that those cutoffs will inevitably go up if the new rule goes into affect, it would take a helluva lot of out-of-district kids to move them.Celina, which has a history of playing out-of-district kids, probably stands a better chance of moving up divisions in basketball than DSJ does.

[Bigdogg79]

paperboy, on 29 March 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

St. John's has a boys enrollment of 100, while the cutoff for D6 football is 119 and D4 basketball is 122. They really aren't close.Considering that those cutoffs will inevitably go up if the new rule goes into affect, it would take a helluva lot of out-of-district kids to move them.Celina, which has a history of playing out-of-district kids, probably stands a better chance of moving up divisions in basketball than DSJ does.

Don't forget there are now 7 divisions in football. Its unlikely DSJ will in the smallest division again. Why I care about what division Celina may be in? No ties to there or any high school program. Grand kids play soccer.

[paperboy]

Bigdogg79, on 29 March 2013 - 09:45 PM, said:

Don't forget there are now 7 divisions in football. Its unlikely DSJ will  in the smallest division again. Why  I care about what division Celina may be in? No ties to there or any high school program. Grand kids play soccer.

I forgot about the extra division, but my Marion Local friends believe the Flyers will be in D7. Though I hope this isn't the case (I'd rather see them in D6) I believe DSJ would likely be in the same division as ML.As for Celina, I was just using them as an example.

[LimaJock]

WBL will not be interested in any school as long as no current member leaves. This is especially true now that football has seven divisions. More schools from league should make playoffs.

POPE LJ

[roadtoC-town]

paperboy, on 29 March 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

St. John's has a boys enrollment of 100, while the cutoff for D6 football is 119 and D4 basketball is 122. They really aren't close.Considering that those cutoffs will inevitably go up if the new rule goes into affect, it would take a helluva lot of out-of-district kids to move them.Celina, which has a history of playing out-of-district kids, probably stands a better chance of moving up divisions in basketball than DSJ does.

They are alot closer then LCC. Your girls had 5 out-of-district girls on the varsity. This puts them really close.

[flounder]

Bigdogg79, on 29 March 2013 - 10:00 AM, said:

We are all looking forward in seeing if this much claimed "fact" is true. It will not take many out of district kids to move them up as they are always close to the cut off.

Bigdogg.....

C'mon....who are you kidding.......the intelligent people know it's true....only you doubt it!!!!!!

[flounder]

Bigdogg79, on 29 March 2013 - 09:45 PM, said:

Don't forget there are now 7 divisions in football. Its unlikely DSJ will in the smallest division again. Why I care about what division Celina may be in? No ties to there or any high school program. Grand kids play soccer.

Bigdogg........

There you go again....you know what....DSJ will probably be D7.......but you know what....they do not want to be D7...and I really doubt if Marion Local wants to be D7.......you know why Bigdogg.....just what does it mean to be D7 state champs in a watered down 7 divisions in football.....whooopeee....maybe Shadyside will love it, but DSJ hates the fact of 7 divisions in football!!!!!

[Bobby]

Acatually this "watered down" stuff is purely subjective. Recently saw a breakdown of how all 50 states and DC handle their football playoffs. I think Ohio was third in number of teams per division. Many states have as few as 30-50 teams in a division. This year Ohio had about 120 per division.

I don't hate Div VII. It is what it is. I think there will be somewhere in the neighborhood of 108 teams per divison, down from the current 120. I would guess that if Marion Local wins Div VII this fall they won't be the least bit embarrassed to do so.

[Bigdogg79]

flounder, on 30 March 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:

Bigdogg.....

C'mon....who are you kidding.......the intelligent people know it's true....only you doubt it!!!!!!

Well I did spend the first 18 years of my life in Van Wert and unless things have changed a good many of your students came from there, but hey maybe times has changed. Either way we will all find out. By the way, back my day DSJ was everyones home coming game.

[flounder]

Bigdogg79, on 31 March 2013 - 07:40 PM, said:

Well I did spend the first 18 years of my life in Van Wert and unless things have changed a good many of your students came from there, but hey maybe times has changed. Either way we will all find out. By the way, back my day DSJ was everyones home coming game.

You must really be old!!!!!!!

[slice slice baby]

flounder, on 31 March 2013 - 09:02 PM, said:

You must really be old!!!!!!!

If anyone would know , it'd be FLOUNDER........ Lol

[XMAS]

Thought people might be interested in a map of the school districts in OH.
http://ohiomla.org/w...strict-Maps.pdf

[Bigdogg79]

flounder, on 31 March 2013 - 09:02 PM, said:

You must really be old!!!!!!!

Seems like only yesterday to me!