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The Insider, on 17 March 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:
I think the board of education needs to consider hiring a non-employee for the position. A community member who could devote their time to the position that has previous playing/coaching experience and knows how to lead would benefit the program. The current Junior High class has some athletes, and if PG can hire a coach that can break down their egos, and then build them up to be focused on the team's potential if they put in the hard work, PG could have a few good seasons coming. Say what you want about the quality of players coming through, but a good coach develops a plan that suits his players' abilities. PG's success is as much about the coaching as it is about the players. A good coach still finds ways to win (slow the game down, speed the game up, run a particular style of offense/defense). The key is getting players to buy in to the system. Braidic was successful because his players bought in to his system (tough man defense, team play offensively). Those that didn't buy in, quit. I think that the teams were probably better off without those that couldn't handle the toughness, as it kept unity amongst the team(s). If PG can hire another coach that will lay down the law, and get his players to understand, "you play hard or I'm not playing you," the program can turn the corner. Otherwise, I fear the cycle will continue...
You mentioned the term toughness. With the way basketball is played today I would say shooting and dribbling skills get you competitive and toughness gets you wins. If this community won't demand their athletes to be tough
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I've played and coached in the PG school district for the better part of a decade in the last 20 years, and I'm sorry to say that the parents in PG schoold district have made it what it is these days. Someone said earlier in this thread that the PG school district doesn't prioritize winning, and that couldn't be any more right. The athletes in the PG school district have entitlement issue that are the full responsibility of nonother than thier parents. Pretty amazing for a school system that really hasn't been very good at any sport for a number of years.
When I played sports in the 90's parents didn't openly challenge coaches, they didn't come down onto the court or field after games to confront coaches. It's now happening even at the junior high level. It's sickening. When are the parents in PG school district going to learn to prioritize "winning" and "team"? When are they going to understand and accept that their kid isn't the end all be all? When are the parents going to understand that a coach's number 1 priority is to play by the rules and win? Only a coward isn't big enough to accept a contributary role towards succes.
I'm not saying that there aren't bad coaches out there or that other schools don't have hellicopter parents but what has happend at PG is truly sad. I'm not saying there aren't good parents at PG, but the overall culture there has deteriorated. I'd never, even for one second, consider coaching in the PG school district again.
All of which leads me to this, a word I have for parents of PG athletes. Your kid isn't Lebron James, he isn't Peyton Manning, and that coach that you are emailing or confronting during practice or after games likely knows 1,000% more about coaching a football or basketball team than you'll most likely know. Your kid is entitled to nothing, but a shot at playing time. Know that while not every kid is going to be a superstar, with hard work and willingness to listen he has a chance to play an important role on his or her team. Spend some time around successful programs like Marion Local and it won't take you long to see the difference in the culture of the community towards their sports. You will understand why they win consistently. Every kid who works hard and respects the game is important to their team, and thus they get 70+ kids out for football. Hard work is expected and the coaches are respected. Far, far different from the expectations of PG parents where they main focus is how many points their child scores or how many minutes he or she plays.
Parents know that your child is taking mental notes of everything you say and that a warped mindview and the way you treat their coach is creating an entitled monster. So, instead of bad mouthing coaches every chance you get, how about you tell your kid to get out and practice and work harder. How about you tell your kid to get in thier playbook and memorize their plays inside and out every night. How about you support the coach in front of your child even when you think they've made a mistake. Beyond what you may think every coach wants to win, and is doing best what he thinks he can do to win. That coach wants the best for their team. Be big enough to motive your child to be the best he can be in whatever role he or she is given. Teach them the importance of every player on the team and how hard you have to work to be the best and all hope is not lost for our school.
Hard work, respect for the game, and winning. A long, long way from Pandora Gilboa school district. Land of the entitled and home of the coward.
When I played sports in the 90's parents didn't openly challenge coaches, they didn't come down onto the court or field after games to confront coaches. It's now happening even at the junior high level. It's sickening. When are the parents in PG school district going to learn to prioritize "winning" and "team"? When are they going to understand and accept that their kid isn't the end all be all? When are the parents going to understand that a coach's number 1 priority is to play by the rules and win? Only a coward isn't big enough to accept a contributary role towards succes.
I'm not saying that there aren't bad coaches out there or that other schools don't have hellicopter parents but what has happend at PG is truly sad. I'm not saying there aren't good parents at PG, but the overall culture there has deteriorated. I'd never, even for one second, consider coaching in the PG school district again.
All of which leads me to this, a word I have for parents of PG athletes. Your kid isn't Lebron James, he isn't Peyton Manning, and that coach that you are emailing or confronting during practice or after games likely knows 1,000% more about coaching a football or basketball team than you'll most likely know. Your kid is entitled to nothing, but a shot at playing time. Know that while not every kid is going to be a superstar, with hard work and willingness to listen he has a chance to play an important role on his or her team. Spend some time around successful programs like Marion Local and it won't take you long to see the difference in the culture of the community towards their sports. You will understand why they win consistently. Every kid who works hard and respects the game is important to their team, and thus they get 70+ kids out for football. Hard work is expected and the coaches are respected. Far, far different from the expectations of PG parents where they main focus is how many points their child scores or how many minutes he or she plays.
Parents know that your child is taking mental notes of everything you say and that a warped mindview and the way you treat their coach is creating an entitled monster. So, instead of bad mouthing coaches every chance you get, how about you tell your kid to get out and practice and work harder. How about you tell your kid to get in thier playbook and memorize their plays inside and out every night. How about you support the coach in front of your child even when you think they've made a mistake. Beyond what you may think every coach wants to win, and is doing best what he thinks he can do to win. That coach wants the best for their team. Be big enough to motive your child to be the best he can be in whatever role he or she is given. Teach them the importance of every player on the team and how hard you have to work to be the best and all hope is not lost for our school.
Hard work, respect for the game, and winning. A long, long way from Pandora Gilboa school district. Land of the entitled and home of the coward.
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Displaced Rocket's above post is so true. Parents from many school districts should read the post and take it to heart. Although there have been many posts regarding this issue parents don't get it. Look at most of teams that went to state and you will find togetherness and a mutual respect for all players. If a coach can accomplish true team spirit with the parents interference in my mind he is a great coach.
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Agree I believe PG has fallen below Arcadia as a school in terms of rank in the league and it is mostly to do with parents and community.
I have heard some kid in hs there compared to Aaron Craft on more than one occasion on this website which is a complete joke. I have no idea who this kid would be because there is no one in the district who should have their name even mentioned in the same breath as Craft heck no kid there now should be compared to past PG studs, they have won nothing as a TEAM in hs in quite sometime. But it is an example of how delusional some of the people in that district are about the ability of their kids. They need to make the kids work year round and not make excuses on why they shouldn't be in the gym in the summer. If it continues this school will continue to decline in athletics.
I have heard some kid in hs there compared to Aaron Craft on more than one occasion on this website which is a complete joke. I have no idea who this kid would be because there is no one in the district who should have their name even mentioned in the same breath as Craft heck no kid there now should be compared to past PG studs, they have won nothing as a TEAM in hs in quite sometime. But it is an example of how delusional some of the people in that district are about the ability of their kids. They need to make the kids work year round and not make excuses on why they shouldn't be in the gym in the summer. If it continues this school will continue to decline in athletics.
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displacedrocket, on 01 April 2013 - 01:07 PM, said:
I've played and coached in the PG school district for the better part of a decade in the last 20 years, and I'm sorry to say that the parents in PG schoold district have made it what it is these days. Someone said earlier in this thread that the PG school district doesn't prioritize winning, and that couldn't be any more right. The athletes in the PG school district have entitlement issue that are the full responsibility of nonother than thier parents. Pretty amazing for a school system that really hasn't been very good at any sport for a number of years.
When I played sports in the 90's parents didn't openly challenge coaches, they didn't come down onto the court or field after games to confront coaches. It's now happening even at the junior high level. It's sickening. When are the parents in PG school district going to learn to prioritize "winning" and "team"? When are they going to understand and accept that their kid isn't the end all be all? When are the parents going to understand that a coach's number 1 priority is to play by the rules and win? Only a coward isn't big enough to accept a contributary role towards succes.
I'm not saying that there aren't bad coaches out there or that other schools don't have hellicopter parents but what has happend at PG is truly sad. I'm not saying there aren't good parents at PG, but the overall culture there has deteriorated. I'd never, even for one second, consider coaching in the PG school district again.
All of which leads me to this, a word I have for parents of PG athletes. Your kid isn't Lebron James, he isn't Peyton Manning, and that coach that you are emailing or confronting during practice or after games likely knows 1,000% more about coaching a football or basketball team than you'll most likely know. Your kid is entitled to nothing, but a shot at playing time. Know that while not every kid is going to be a superstar, with hard work and willingness to listen he has a chance to play an important role on his or her team. Spend some time around successful programs like Marion Local and it won't take you long to see the difference in the culture of the community towards their sports. You will understand why they win consistently. Every kid who works hard and respects the game is important to their team, and thus they get 70+ kids out for football. Hard work is expected and the coaches are respected. Far, far different from the expectations of PG parents where they main focus is how many points their child scores or how many minutes he or she plays.
Parents know that your child is taking mental notes of everything you say and that a warped mindview and the way you treat their coach is creating an entitled monster. So, instead of bad mouthing coaches every chance you get, how about you tell your kid to get out and practice and work harder. How about you tell your kid to get in thier playbook and memorize their plays inside and out every night. How about you support the coach in front of your child even when you think they've made a mistake. Beyond what you may think every coach wants to win, and is doing best what he thinks he can do to win. That coach wants the best for their team. Be big enough to motive your child to be the best he can be in whatever role he or she is given. Teach them the importance of every player on the team and how hard you have to work to be the best and all hope is not lost for our school.
Hard work, respect for the game, and winning. A long, long way from Pandora Gilboa school district. Land of the entitled and home of the coward.
When I played sports in the 90's parents didn't openly challenge coaches, they didn't come down onto the court or field after games to confront coaches. It's now happening even at the junior high level. It's sickening. When are the parents in PG school district going to learn to prioritize "winning" and "team"? When are they going to understand and accept that their kid isn't the end all be all? When are the parents going to understand that a coach's number 1 priority is to play by the rules and win? Only a coward isn't big enough to accept a contributary role towards succes.
I'm not saying that there aren't bad coaches out there or that other schools don't have hellicopter parents but what has happend at PG is truly sad. I'm not saying there aren't good parents at PG, but the overall culture there has deteriorated. I'd never, even for one second, consider coaching in the PG school district again.
All of which leads me to this, a word I have for parents of PG athletes. Your kid isn't Lebron James, he isn't Peyton Manning, and that coach that you are emailing or confronting during practice or after games likely knows 1,000% more about coaching a football or basketball team than you'll most likely know. Your kid is entitled to nothing, but a shot at playing time. Know that while not every kid is going to be a superstar, with hard work and willingness to listen he has a chance to play an important role on his or her team. Spend some time around successful programs like Marion Local and it won't take you long to see the difference in the culture of the community towards their sports. You will understand why they win consistently. Every kid who works hard and respects the game is important to their team, and thus they get 70+ kids out for football. Hard work is expected and the coaches are respected. Far, far different from the expectations of PG parents where they main focus is how many points their child scores or how many minutes he or she plays.
Parents know that your child is taking mental notes of everything you say and that a warped mindview and the way you treat their coach is creating an entitled monster. So, instead of bad mouthing coaches every chance you get, how about you tell your kid to get out and practice and work harder. How about you tell your kid to get in thier playbook and memorize their plays inside and out every night. How about you support the coach in front of your child even when you think they've made a mistake. Beyond what you may think every coach wants to win, and is doing best what he thinks he can do to win. That coach wants the best for their team. Be big enough to motive your child to be the best he can be in whatever role he or she is given. Teach them the importance of every player on the team and how hard you have to work to be the best and all hope is not lost for our school.
Hard work, respect for the game, and winning. A long, long way from Pandora Gilboa school district. Land of the entitled and home of the coward.
YEP!
I think people would be amazed at the amount of hate mail that coaches receive from parents. Ask any of the PG coaches over the last 10 or more years and I bet they could hand you a stack of them. Take a look at what is going on with the village administration right now and you'll find some of the exact same things happening. Just sad to see whats becoming of the community.
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Displacerocket, I think maybe your name says a lot. I'm not sure you are still in touch with what goes on with these kids. The kids do work as hard as any with their sports, you need to remember they may not spend as much time playing basketball as the other Putnam county teams but that's because they are lifting for football doing 7on 7's playing baseball and working at Suters. They were the 3rd smallest school in the state to have football and still ended up 500. Thats not good, but for such small upper classes it could be worse, look for the wins to go up as the numbers go up. Buy the way coach Arthur has been there a long time before that King was there forever. Coach Bradic Brooks and Williams are long timers also, so I guess that shoots the idea of coaches being run out of town. Don't forget Klear stepped away on his own, I know for a fact parents gave him a chance being a new coach with little talent wasn't going to be easy but he knew that going in. There are some parents who are trouble, but what town doesn't have them? We all know who they are and so do the coaches, so I'm sure their letters can go to the trash,their e-mails hit delete and hang up there calls give them the respect they deserve, None, we all know who they are. But to say the kids don't work hard shows you might be one of them!
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hunt4em, on 01 April 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:
Displacerocket, I think maybe your name says a lot. I'm not sure you are still in touch with what goes on with these kids. The kids do work as hard as any with their sports, you need to remember they may not spend as much time playing basketball as the other Putnam county teams but that's because they are lifting for football doing 7on 7's playing baseball and working at Suters. They were the 3rd smallest school in the state to have football and still ended up 500. Thats not good, but for such small upper classes it could be worse, look for the wins to go up as the numbers go up. Buy the way coach Arthur has been there a long time before that King was there forever. Coach Bradic Brooks and Williams are long timers also, so I guess that shoots the idea of coaches being run out of town. Don't forget Klear stepped away on his own, I know for a fact parents gave him a chance being a new coach with little talent wasn't going to be easy but he knew that going in. There are some parents who are trouble, but what town doesn't have them? We all know who they are and so do the coaches, so I'm sure their letters can go to the trash,their e-mails hit delete and hang up there calls give them the respect they deserve, None, we all know who they are. But to say the kids don't work hard shows you might be one of them!
Hunt4em I don't know how much experience you have in school districts outside of PG, but it's not like everywhere else. There are good kids and parents in the PG school system. I'm sorry if they get lumped in with the problems, but when it comes to a whole program everyone is at fault. It seems the girls programs haven't been as effected by the negative culture, and maybe that is evident in their successes. Success in small school athletic programs, outside of athletic ability which is a given, in small schools is predecated on the following. IMO
1.Participation- you look at succesful small school programs and they get a very good percentage of players out for their programs. Why? Because it is expected of them. By who? The parents and the community.
I'm not saying every kid has to go out or even should go out for sports, but if a kid has the athleticism and can play they should go out. Enough bs over kids playing or not playing because they like or don't like the coach. Parents who give in to that type of mentality are building weak kids. Will they get to choose their supervisors when they get into the workforce? Weak, weak, weak.
2. Coaches who are supported by the school district/community- I'm not saying every coach is a good coach, but they should be supported non the less. If you aren't with them, you're against them. When parents
don't support the coach the kids fall right in line. It goes back to the, I don't like the coach the coach so I'm not going to play mentality. The parents are building in excuses for the kids. Successful programs don't have parents who make excuses for their kids. You may think I'm detached from the PG schools and community, and that's fine, but I know what's going on and it isn't good. Parents in successful programs equip the coaches to make their kids the best they can be by maintaining a good working relationship with the coach. You say that every school has "those parents" I'd say that PG has many of those parents. You just may not hear about them. It's not just at the HS level.
3. Good coaching- I'm not going to say that coaches don't play a part of the equation because that would be ridiculous. Successful programs do have good coaches. Klear was a good coach, he recently was offered a job by Ottawa Glandorf coach Tyson McLaughlin, who just won a state title by the way. While Klear resigned on his own, make no mistake about it, he did so with mind of a toxic culture that was fostered by parents around the program. Arthur has earned good will with the success he's had, but he's taken his share of criticism with the way he exited in his first head coaching stint.
Braidic was ran out his first stint at PG. Some say it was a result of his teaching, some say it was because of his coaching, and some say both. King took a program that was bad, and built it up into a playoff program, of course he was going to be supported. True character is shown in times of struggle not times of success.
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displacedrocket, on 02 April 2013 - 09:16 AM, said:
Hunt4em I don't know how much experience you have in school districts outside of PG, but it's not like everywhere else. There are good kids and parents in the PG school system. I'm sorry if they get lumped in with the problems, but when it comes to a whole program everyone is at fault. It seems the girls programs haven't been as effected by the negative culture, and maybe that is evident in their successes. Success in small school athletic programs, outside of athletic ability which is a given, in small schools is predecated on the following. IMO
1.Participation- you look at succesful small school programs and they get a very good percentage of players out for their programs. Why? Because it is expected of them. By who? The parents and the community.
I'm not saying ever kid has to go out or even should go out for sports, but if a kid has the athleticism and can play they should go out. Enough bs over kids playing or not playing because they like or don't like the coach. Parents who give in to that type of mentality are building weak kids. Will they get to choose their supervisors when they get into the workforce? Weak, weak, weak.
2. Coaches who are supported by the school district/community- I'm not saying every coach is a good coach, but they should be supported non the less. If you aren't with them, you're against them. When parents
don't support the coach the kids fall right in line. It goes back to the, I don't like the coach the coach so I'm not going to play mentality. The parents are building in excuses for the kids. Successful programs don't have parents who make excuses for their kids. You may think I'm detached from the PG schools and community, and that's fine, but I know what's going on and it's alot of it isn't good. Parents in successful programs equip the coaches to make their kids the best they can be by maintaining a good working relationship with the coach. You say that every school has "those parents" I'd say that PG has many of those parents. You just may not hear about them. It's not just at the HS level.
3. Good coaching- I'm not going to say that coaches don't play a part of the equation because that would be ridiculous. Successful programs do have good coaches. Klear was a good coach, he recently was offered a job by Ottawa Glandorf coach Tyson McLaughlin, who just won a state title by the way. While Klear resigned on his own, make no mistake about it, he did so with mind of a toxic culture that was fostered by parents around the program. Arthur has earned good will with the success he's had, but he's taken his share of criticism with the way he exited in his first head coaching stint.
Braidic was ran out his first stint at PG. Some say it was a result of his teaching, some say it was because of his coaching, and some say both. King took a program that was bad, and built it up into a playoff program, of course he was going to be supported. True character is shown in times of struggle not times of success.
1.Participation- you look at succesful small school programs and they get a very good percentage of players out for their programs. Why? Because it is expected of them. By who? The parents and the community.
I'm not saying ever kid has to go out or even should go out for sports, but if a kid has the athleticism and can play they should go out. Enough bs over kids playing or not playing because they like or don't like the coach. Parents who give in to that type of mentality are building weak kids. Will they get to choose their supervisors when they get into the workforce? Weak, weak, weak.
2. Coaches who are supported by the school district/community- I'm not saying every coach is a good coach, but they should be supported non the less. If you aren't with them, you're against them. When parents
don't support the coach the kids fall right in line. It goes back to the, I don't like the coach the coach so I'm not going to play mentality. The parents are building in excuses for the kids. Successful programs don't have parents who make excuses for their kids. You may think I'm detached from the PG schools and community, and that's fine, but I know what's going on and it's alot of it isn't good. Parents in successful programs equip the coaches to make their kids the best they can be by maintaining a good working relationship with the coach. You say that every school has "those parents" I'd say that PG has many of those parents. You just may not hear about them. It's not just at the HS level.
3. Good coaching- I'm not going to say that coaches don't play a part of the equation because that would be ridiculous. Successful programs do have good coaches. Klear was a good coach, he recently was offered a job by Ottawa Glandorf coach Tyson McLaughlin, who just won a state title by the way. While Klear resigned on his own, make no mistake about it, he did so with mind of a toxic culture that was fostered by parents around the program. Arthur has earned good will with the success he's had, but he's taken his share of criticism with the way he exited in his first head coaching stint.
Braidic was ran out his first stint at PG. Some say it was a result of his teaching, some say it was because of his coaching, and some say both. King took a program that was bad, and built it up into a playoff program, of course he was going to be supported. True character is shown in times of struggle not times of success.
In the smaller communities, kids should be EXPECTED to play sports in school, not just one either. 99% are not playing in college anyway, so play all the sports you can in high school, enjoy it and don't be in a position where you regret your decision not to play when you are in your early 20's, like alot of kids are doing now.
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Common Sense, on 02 April 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:
Maybe one of the best posts I've seen here in a long time. And it's not a Pandora thing. Any school that consistently struggles, these bullett points is what needs to happen. Coaches at the high school level can only play the cards they were dealt. Meaning if you have kids who are learning fundamentals and basic stragegy at the varsity and JV levels, you're in trouble. It's something very subtle, but I still feel the "equal play" concept that started in youth programs about 10 years ago has derailed our high school programs. Kids (and parents) are EXPECTING playing time, rather than EARNING it. When Johnny or Judy doesn't start, they quit.
In the smaller communities, kids should be EXPECTED to play sports in school, not just one either. 99% are not playing in college anyway, so play all the sports you can in high school, enjoy it and don't be in a position where you regret your decision not to play when you are in your early 20's, like alot of kids are doing now.
In the smaller communities, kids should be EXPECTED to play sports in school, not just one either. 99% are not playing in college anyway, so play all the sports you can in high school, enjoy it and don't be in a position where you regret your decision not to play when you are in your early 20's, like alot of kids are doing now.
Thanks and spot on Common! I'll never for the life of me understand why kids in division 4 basketball or division 6 or 7 football are speciallizing. So they can play ball at Defiance or Bluffton U? (no offense to those schools) For 99% of high school athletes athletic scholarships are NOT on the line. Again it's dilusional parents creating these false hopes. Like you said Common play every sport you can, while you can. Learn what each sport has to teach you about the game and life in general. And for those parents who think their child is good enough to garner athletic scholarship offers, if your kid is good enough to play at a high level they will get found. Being a multisport athlete does nothing, but help their chances at playing any sport at the next level. IMO
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I don't have much to add except to say that this is some good posting and I agree with almost everything said... Pandora is not alone...
On a funny note. When you try and spell Pandora... autocorrect keeps inserting "pansies." Which would not need to be said if this anomoly didn't pertain to the direction this topic has shifted...
By the way... I've nothing against Pandora. I just recognize and sympathize with the symptoms described.
On a funny note. When you try and spell Pandora... autocorrect keeps inserting "pansies." Which would not need to be said if this anomoly didn't pertain to the direction this topic has shifted...
By the way... I've nothing against Pandora. I just recognize and sympathize with the symptoms described.
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displacedrocket, on 01 April 2013 - 01:07 PM, said:
I've played and coached in the PG school district for the better part of a decade in the last 20 years, and I'm sorry to say that the parents in PG schoold district have made it what it is these days. Someone said earlier in this thread that the PG school district doesn't prioritize winning, and that couldn't be any more right. The athletes in the PG school district have entitlement issue that are the full responsibility of nonother than thier parents. Pretty amazing for a school system that really hasn't been very good at any sport for a number of years.
When I played sports in the 90's parents didn't openly challenge coaches, they didn't come down onto the court or field after games to confront coaches. It's now happening even at the junior high level. It's sickening. When are the parents in PG school district going to learn to prioritize "winning" and "team"? When are they going to understand and accept that their kid isn't the end all be all? When are the parents going to understand that a coach's number 1 priority is to play by the rules and win? Only a coward isn't big enough to accept a contributary role towards succes.
I'm not saying that there aren't bad coaches out there or that other schools don't have hellicopter parents but what has happend at PG is truly sad. I'm not saying there aren't good parents at PG, but the overall culture there has deteriorated. I'd never, even for one second, consider coaching in the PG school district again.
All of which leads me to this, a word I have for parents of PG athletes. Your kid isn't Lebron James, he isn't Peyton Manning, and that coach that you are emailing or confronting during practice or after games likely knows 1,000% more about coaching a football or basketball team than you'll most likely know. Your kid is entitled to nothing, but a shot at playing time. Know that while not every kid is going to be a superstar, with hard work and willingness to listen he has a chance to play an important role on his or her team. Spend some time around successful programs like Marion Local and it won't take you long to see the difference in the culture of the community towards their sports. You will understand why they win consistently. Every kid who works hard and respects the game is important to their team, and thus they get 70+ kids out for football. Hard work is expected and the coaches are respected. Far, far different from the expectations of PG parents where they main focus is how many points their child scores or how many minutes he or she plays.
Parents know that your child is taking mental notes of everything you say and that a warped mindview and the way you treat their coach is creating an entitled monster. So, instead of bad mouthing coaches every chance you get, how about you tell your kid to get out and practice and work harder. How about you tell your kid to get in thier playbook and memorize their plays inside and out every night. How about you support the coach in front of your child even when you think they've made a mistake. Beyond what you may think every coach wants to win, and is doing best what he thinks he can do to win. That coach wants the best for their team. Be big enough to motive your child to be the best he can be in whatever role he or she is given. Teach them the importance of every player on the team and how hard you have to work to be the best and all hope is not lost for our school.
Hard work, respect for the game, and winning. A long, long way from Pandora Gilboa school district. Land of the entitled and home of the coward.
When I played sports in the 90's parents didn't openly challenge coaches, they didn't come down onto the court or field after games to confront coaches. It's now happening even at the junior high level. It's sickening. When are the parents in PG school district going to learn to prioritize "winning" and "team"? When are they going to understand and accept that their kid isn't the end all be all? When are the parents going to understand that a coach's number 1 priority is to play by the rules and win? Only a coward isn't big enough to accept a contributary role towards succes.
I'm not saying that there aren't bad coaches out there or that other schools don't have hellicopter parents but what has happend at PG is truly sad. I'm not saying there aren't good parents at PG, but the overall culture there has deteriorated. I'd never, even for one second, consider coaching in the PG school district again.
All of which leads me to this, a word I have for parents of PG athletes. Your kid isn't Lebron James, he isn't Peyton Manning, and that coach that you are emailing or confronting during practice or after games likely knows 1,000% more about coaching a football or basketball team than you'll most likely know. Your kid is entitled to nothing, but a shot at playing time. Know that while not every kid is going to be a superstar, with hard work and willingness to listen he has a chance to play an important role on his or her team. Spend some time around successful programs like Marion Local and it won't take you long to see the difference in the culture of the community towards their sports. You will understand why they win consistently. Every kid who works hard and respects the game is important to their team, and thus they get 70+ kids out for football. Hard work is expected and the coaches are respected. Far, far different from the expectations of PG parents where they main focus is how many points their child scores or how many minutes he or she plays.
Parents know that your child is taking mental notes of everything you say and that a warped mindview and the way you treat their coach is creating an entitled monster. So, instead of bad mouthing coaches every chance you get, how about you tell your kid to get out and practice and work harder. How about you tell your kid to get in thier playbook and memorize their plays inside and out every night. How about you support the coach in front of your child even when you think they've made a mistake. Beyond what you may think every coach wants to win, and is doing best what he thinks he can do to win. That coach wants the best for their team. Be big enough to motive your child to be the best he can be in whatever role he or she is given. Teach them the importance of every player on the team and how hard you have to work to be the best and all hope is not lost for our school.
Hard work, respect for the game, and winning. A long, long way from Pandora Gilboa school district. Land of the entitled and home of the coward.
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Badlands, on 02 April 2013 - 07:48 PM, said:
Being from Grove, I have a dislike for Pandora:), BUT..I like what you say ...you are a 100% correct on everything you say.
I hate that the school that I grew up in and that I love, is where it is with regards to athletics. Hopefully they can get things turned around, but I am far from confident.
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Badlands, on 02 April 2013 - 07:33 PM, said:
Rumor mill in Grove says that Grove asst... Jon Diller will apply
That rumor mill door is closed. My source got some bad information. Its the off season, so rumors will fly.
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Badlands, on 03 April 2013 - 07:24 PM, said:
That rumor mill door is closed. My source got some bad information. Its the off season, so rumors will fly.
I thought it highly unlikely that we would seriously consider a bar owner as a coach in Mennonite-laden Pandora
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Rocketman, on 03 April 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:
I thought it highly unlikely that we would seriously consider a bar owner as a coach in Mennonite-laden Pandora
Its not nice to judge any person, regardless of your religion.
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Rocketman, on 03 April 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:
I thought it highly unlikely that we would seriously consider a bar owner as a coach in Mennonite-laden Pandora
I highly doubt that would be a strong consideration in not giving someone the job no matter the religion of those in the school district.
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displacedrocket, on 04 April 2013 - 08:48 AM, said:
I highly doubt that would be a strong consideration in not giving someone the job no matter the religion of those in the school district.
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