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[osufan512]

SpartanDome, on 17 February 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

I think the last year the Spartans used the saying "Can You Run with the Spartans?" was the 91-92 season, and I believe the RAN farther than ANY other team had before or has since. The Spartans that I have seen this year and last DO NOT play like that team at all (I know they do not have Simpson, Lyles etc) they do not use their Defense to make their offense go. If they WERE TRYING to employ this style I think they should press A LOT MORE and speed up the game. I feel the girls program at Lima Senior has developed the concept much better. Back in the 90's and before the Lima Senior schedule would consist of a VERY Tough GMC schedule BUT also would include an independent schedule of the top teams in the State. as the saying goes "If you WANT to be the BEST you must PLAY against the BEST" The Spartans schedule is no longer filled with top teams in the State. We play a 14 game league schedule (of which you have ONLY 6-8 TOUGH GAMES each year-St Johns, TCC, Whitmer and Findlay) Our current independent schedule consists of 6 WBL teams LCC and ONLY 1 consistently strong DIVISION 1 team Mansfield Senior. I by no means mean to disrespect the WBL or LCC but anyone with an ounce of Basketball knowledge can not say that the WBL and LCC compare to the likes of Toledo Scott, Toledo Libbey, Middletown, St V StM, Dayton Dunbar, etc etc Does anyone know who do the Spartans scrimmage to prepare for the season? Bottom line if you have lower expectations you get the current results.

LCC and the 6 WBL schools don't compare to Scott and Libbey? Really? I would take the top of the WBL and LCC against Toledo Scott any day. Oh, and Libbey closed several years ago, just FYI.

[osufan512]

Irish Viking 87, on 19 February 2014 - 07:26 PM, said:

Sorry but your wrong here. Kids get offers all through high school. Some even in Jr. High.Not saying it's right but recruiting is a cutthroat business. If a school waits to long, they may miss out on a kid they really want. I believe USC had a QB commit in the eighth grade a few years ago. I'm sure young Mr. Simpson has a drawer full of offers. And deservedly so.

From the best of my understanding, college coaches cannot offer scholarships officially in basketball until the summer between students junior - senior year. During your freshman/sophomore year coaches can have no contact with an athlete and during their Jr year, coaches may only speak to potential recruits if the recruit reaches out to them.

Edited by osufan512, 19 February 2014 - 10:45 PM.

[dw629]

osufan512, on 19 February 2014 - 10:44 PM, said:

From the best of my understanding, college coaches cannot offer scholarships officially in basketball until the summer between students junior - senior year. During your freshman/sophomore year coaches can have no contact with an athlete and during their Jr year, coaches may only speak to potential recruits if the recruit reaches out to them.

So you believe the top soph in the country have no offers right now and have no contact with schools unless they reached out to that school? Seriously?

[osufan512]

dw629, on 19 February 2014 - 11:06 PM, said:

So you believe the top soph in the country have no offers right now and have no contact with schools unless they reached out to that school? Seriously?

Just informing you of NCAA recruiting rules as far as I know them.

[mysteryman2014]

SpartanDome, on 19 February 2014 - 09:59 AM, said:

Coach Q was at the Lima Senior game last night cheering for Lima Senior because 1) He is a Lima Senior grad 2) He has and is still Coaching and Mentoring numerous Lima Senior players 3) Dejorr Gibson (Mansfield Sr) was back and Q was showing support for him. Do not try to make anything more out of it than that. HMMMMMMMMMMM

Thats not what i was told.
Sure maybe he was there to see Dejour but why was he huddling with some players right before the game?
I know if that was Elida, OG, Bath coach there is no way in hell someone is talking to their kids before game HMMMMMMMM!

[mysteryman2014]

krumlman, on 19 February 2014 - 07:11 PM, said:

He's only a sophomore ....can't be getting any offers yet so that's bull !

Maybe not offers but can get interest and letters.
there is a Funderburke kid who is sophmore already got letter from OSU.

[Osu4me]

NCAA schools may have contact with students by what is called a letter of interest and ask them to fill out and have their school coach sign papers that come with the letters of interest. This is not being recuited but I can see where some people think it is. However it is saying that "we have seen you and we are interested". A student may voice a verbal to play at a school but said student is doing it on his own and its not a verbal to play between student and school. No student may be "verbally recuited with personal contact" by an NCAA school until I beleive Sept or Oct of their Jr year. This is what we were told by NCAA officers in the AAU Nationals Finals must attend parents meeting. Any school that contacts your child verbally before that time are in voliation of NCAA rules.

[SpartanDome]

mysteryman2014, on 20 February 2014 - 07:03 AM, said:

Thats not what i was told.
Sure maybe he was there to see Dejour but why was he huddling with some players right before the game?
I know if that was Elida, OG, Bath coach there is no way in hell someone is talking to their kids before game HMMMMMMMM!

Oh my!! I was sitting and talking with a few of the Elida players before the LSH/Elida game, Denny was not upset at all.....Whatever

[SpartanDome]

osufan512, on 19 February 2014 - 10:27 PM, said:

LCC and the 6 WBL schools don't compare to Scott and Libbey? Really? I would take the top of the WBL and LCC against Toledo Scott any day. Oh, and Libbey closed several years ago, just FYI.

You TOTALLY did not read what I wrote and obviously you are a DIE HARD WBL GUY.

Lima Senior WAS ALWAYS known for scheduling a tremendously challenging non conference schedule with the likes of Toledo Scott, Libby (yes they closed in 2010 I did not say put them on the schedule now) STV STM, Dunbar, Canton Mckinley, Middletown etc etc.

I said NO DISRESPECT TO LCC or WBL but try using your head and not your heart and compare final four appearances or overall wins in school history of the 6 WBL teams and LCC to the TEAMS (not a single team) I listed and then get back to me.


ALSO.... Google 2016 boys basketball scholarship offers and you will see offers are given.

[old coach]

I'll take LCC's 5 final fours over Toledo Scott's unless I missed a couple of Scott's trips to CBUS. I think LSH only played St.V once and I don't remember them playing Dunbat at all. I know Delphos St.John used to play Dunbar on a yearly basis years ago.

[osufan512]

SpartanDome, on 20 February 2014 - 09:47 AM, said:

You TOTALLY did not read what I wrote and obviously you are a DIE HARD WBL GUY.

Lima Senior WAS ALWAYS known for scheduling a tremendously challenging non conference schedule with the likes of Toledo Scott, Libby (yes they closed in 2010 I did not say put them on the schedule now) STV STM, Dunbar, Canton Mckinley, Middletown etc etc.

I said NO DISRESPECT TO LCC or WBL but try using your head and not your heart and compare final four appearances or overall wins in school history of the 6 WBL teams and LCC to the TEAMS (not a single team) I listed and then get back to me.


ALSO.... Google 2016 boys basketball scholarship offers and you will see offers are given.

Not a "die hard" WBL guy, never have been affiliated with the league in any way. I am an LCC guy and have been for many years. While I agree with your point of scheduling more teams that have been successful at a state level, I would hardly say they should replace LCC on their schedule. Compare LCC state appearances, win totals, or whatever other statistics you would like to and you will see similar success. Perhaps not as many State Championships (considering they only have one) but certainly state appearances and wins.

Edited by osufan512, 20 February 2014 - 11:04 AM.

[SpartanDome]

old coach, on 20 February 2014 - 10:30 AM, said:

I'll take LCC's 5 final fours over Toledo Scott's unless I missed a couple of Scott's trips to CBUS. I think LSH only played St.V once and I don't remember them playing Dunbat at all. I know Delphos St.John used to play Dunbar on a yearly basis years ago.

Quick check on the OHSAA site (I only went from 1955 to present since Lima Senior opened then)
Final Four appearances
Celina 1
Defiance 0
Elida 1
O-G 6
Van Wert 3
Wapak 0
LCC 6

Scott 8
Libbey 4
Mansfield Senior 3
Canton Mckinley 14
Middletown 6
Akron Central Hower 8
Dunbar 8 (Looking at my records I know they played Dunbar in the 1970's for sure) Perhaps being an "old Coach" memory failing JK
StV StM 10 (played them in 04/05, 05/06 and they were final four '06)

[SpartanDome]

osufan512, on 20 February 2014 - 11:02 AM, said:

Not a "die hard" WBL guy, never have been affiliated with the league in any way. I am an LCC guy and have been for many years. While I agree with your point of scheduling more teams that have been successful at a state level, I would hardly say they should replace LCC on their schedule. Compare LCC state appearances, win totals, or whatever other statistics you would like to and you will see similar success. Perhaps not as many State Championships (considering they only have one) but certainly state appearances and wins.

Check out the post above with the final four appearances not just Championships. I never said replace ALL teams. LCC is ALWAYS a GREAT revenue game and has always been. My point was the non conference schedule consisted of 6 WBL teams, LCC and only 1 usually strong Division 1 team(Mansfield Senior) compared to the teams scheduled in the past.

Edited by SpartanDome, 20 February 2014 - 11:48 AM.

[Osu4me]

Irish, I deleted your comment because you mentioned students name and said he was in contact with his coach before time was allowed. Yes I might be giving the RC to much credit here but I don't want a students scolarship investigated because of something said here on the RC. Besides that, I work with the students father.

[Irish Viking 87]

Osu4me, on 20 February 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

Irish, I deleted your comment because you mentioned students name and said he was in contact with his coach before time was allowed. Yes I might be giving the RC to much credit here but I don't want a students scolarship investigated because of something said here on the RC. Besides that, I work with the students father.

That's fine, not trying to get anyone in trouble. I try to stay away from using a kids name in a negative way. I guess I didn't think of it like that. It was actually a hypothetical guarantee. I just used that name because it is the most recognizable in the area. Again, sorry for any inconvenience

Edited by Irish Viking 87, 20 February 2014 - 01:57 PM.

[dw629]

Osu4me, on 20 February 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

Irish, I deleted your comment because you mentioned students name and said he was in contact with his coach before time was allowed. Yes I might be giving the RC to much credit here but I don't want a students scolarship investigated because of something said here on the RC. Besides that, I work with the students father.

lol you really believe it is illegal to talk to kids and offer before your senior year? Matta was at Crafts games and when pearl got in trouble with craft it was because the visit summer of sophomore year he Craft on a visit and went to Brucr Pearl's personal home off campus. I know of A LOT of sophomores who went to university's games this fall for football as the schools guest.

Edited by dw629, 20 February 2014 - 02:14 PM.

[vballer66]

I believe (if you want to challenge it, I'll officially look it up)it's after June 15 of their sophomore year that they can start phone/txt conversations with coaches. I also think I remember reading that a kid can call a coach anytime. I'll check that one again tho. Any visit prior to senior year is unofficial and on kids dime. Coaches can offer a kid anytime without even taking to them. A kid can commit also, but coach contact is usually limited to camps. I think Loving verbaled OSU as an eighth grader or freshman.

[osufan512]

vballer66, on 20 February 2014 - 02:36 PM, said:

I believe (if you want to challenge it, I'll officially look it up)it's after June 15 of their sophomore year that they can start phone/txt conversations with coaches. I also think I remember reading that a kid can call a coach anytime. I'll check that one again tho. Any visit prior to senior year is unofficial and on kids dime. Coaches can offer a kid anytime without even taking to them. A kid can commit also, but coach contact is usually limited to camps. I think Loving verbaled OSU as an eighth grader or freshman.

I believe you're correct on the phone calls thing. Players can call coaches, however, if the coach missed the players phone call, the coach is not allowed to call the player back. Essentially, the recruiting seems to be on the shoulders of the student-athlete prior to the June 15 date you mentioned above.

[Irish Viking 87]

I googled "college recruiting rules" and came up with www.aaaa-sa.org(the 2nd one, not the San Antonio Aquatic club) It gives all the rules and whats allowed for each year in high school for different sports. It's not a big deal but what I said in my deleted post could be (and probably is) true. A sophomore is allowed to receive camp brochures and questionaires. Said sophomore is then allowed to call coach and school is even allowed to accept collect calls from said player. So I'll stand by my previous comment in that recruited players do talk to coaches before their junior year.

[effingA]

Sophs aren't going to college games on the schools dime... Those would ALL have to be unofficial visits...