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[basketballstud]

Just heard Abbie Siefker received PCL Player of the Year! Well deserved!

[flounder]

wow....total shocker there!!!!

[Mysterio]

Common Sense, on 20 February 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

It's tournaments, yes, the sectional probably a breeze for the Big Green, but after that, anything can happen, foul trouble, injuries, bad shooting night. Each level will bring a better team. I've seen Ottoville, they're good, but not unbeatable. Didn't we hear this last year too? Perry's not very good so I don't think you can take much from that one game. The gap between the good and bad is as large as ever.

I thought they had a good team last year. Beaten by the eventual state champs. I still feel Ottoville had the better overall team it just wasn't their night. A lot of things went well for Arlington and that is usually the case to succeed in tournament and win state. No team is unbeatable that is for sure but it's not a silly question to ask considering they haven't yet.

Edited by Mysterio, 25 February 2013 - 08:47 PM.

[Mysterio]

flounder, on 25 February 2013 - 08:30 PM, said:

wow....total shocker there!!!!

Easy flounder no need to get excited lol

[JimBucks]

According to the PCL website over the last ten years the distribution of 1st and 2nd team awards is this (not including the 2012-13 season)

Ottoville 21 Kalida 14 Miller City 14 Columbus Grove 11 Leipsic 11 Pandora-Gilboa 11 Continental 10 Fort Jennings 10

[basketballstud]

JimBucks, on 26 February 2013 - 11:01 AM, said:

According to the PCL website over the last ten years the distribution of 1st and 2nd team awards is this (not including the 2012-13 season)

Ottoville 21 Kalida 14 Miller City 14 Columbus Grove 11 Leipsic 11 Pandora-Gilboa 11 Continental 10 Fort Jennings 10

Well should have been more for the Big Green only losing 2 regular season games to non conference in last 4 years and 28-0 in conference last 4 years. But the awards have never been given correctly. But that's how it goes.

[Voice_of_reason]

basketballstud, on 26 February 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

Well should have been more for the Big Green only losing 2 regular season games to non conference in last 4 years and 28-0 in conference last 4 years. But the awards have never been given correctly. But that's how it goes.

This is individual awards not team awards. It has nothing to do with wins and losses. For winning all of those games the team one multiple PCL championships. Just because your team wins that many games does not mean that every individual on that team is the best. I can name a number of girls through the years on many PCL teams that were great athletes but do not have the wins to show it. I would say that Recker from PG is a perfect example. So based on your criteria for individual awards, if Ottoville doesn't win state then none of their players should be all state (including Siefker). Those spots should all go to the girls on the state championship team.

[Venom]

Voice_of_reason, on 26 February 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

This is individual awards not team awards. It has nothing to do with wins and losses. For winning all of those games the team one multiple PCL championships. Just because your team wins that many games does not mean that every individual on that team is the best. I can name a number of girls through the years on many PCL teams that were great athletes but do not have the wins to show it. I would say that Recker from PG is a perfect example. So based on your criteria for individual awards, if Ottoville doesn't win state then none of their players should be all state (including Siefker). Those spots should all go to the girls on the state championship team.

I don't think basketballstud is really basing his criteria on that. He probably didn't word it right but I don't think anyone is saying that just because you win your conference or win state you should get 1st team something. Actually if you could name these girls that you said you could that would be great. Because I can name a bunch that got left out because their team was too good. For example Ottoville this year. I can't name another girl from the league that could start on this Ottoville team. I mean let's face it they were the best in the PCL, hands down. Their starting 5 was greater than any in that league. I'm not saying it should have been that way every year but this year definitely. Last year I'd say at least 3-4 should've been first team along with that Recker girl from PG. I thought Ottoville has been getting snubbed lately in the PCL votings. Their was a few years where Miller City had a pretty good team and some got left out. But as we know, these awards mean nothing to us but something to the players though. It happens in all of sports. You just don't see more than 3 players from the same school get a first team.

Edited by Venom, 26 February 2013 - 02:33 PM.

[Mysterio]

Basically what you won't get is a team having more than 3 girls from the same team get 1st team All-County. It's unfair if you ask me but oh well. I have looked on the PCL website for example under Girls Basketball, and seen that only 1 time has a school got 3 girls voted in as First Team All-County. (Miller City - 2004) Prior to that the last time I believe was Fort Jennings in 1985). My point is these coaches are not going to allow one school to receive all the votes. Ya in my opinion I thought Ottoville got snubbed couple times especially this year. But it happens. Personaly I don't think the best get selected sometimes. I'm sure this is common in all of sports though. It's not really a big deal to us but probably a big deal to the players.

[Stewart Little]

Venom, on 26 February 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

I don't think basketballstud is really basing his criteria on that. He probably didn't word it right but I don't think anyone is saying that just because you win your conference or win state you should get 1st team something. Actually if you could name these girls that you said you could that would be great. Because I can name a bunch that got left out because their team was too good. For example Ottoville this year. I can't name another girl from the league that could start on this Ottoville team. I mean let's face it they were the best in the PCL, hands down. Their starting 5 was greater than any in that league. I'm not saying it should have been that way every year but this year definitely. Last year I'd say at least 3-4 should've been first team along with that Recker girl from PG. I thought Ottoville has been getting snubbed lately in the PCL votings. Their was a few years where Miller City had a pretty good team and some got left out. But as we know, these awards mean nothing to us but something to the players though. It happens in all of sports. You just don't see more than 3 players from the same school get a first team.

Interesting thought...although I don't think 'The Recker Girl' qualified unless her time at University of Toledo would count! She didn't play for PG last year. Venom, did you sleep away a year of your life?

[Venom]

Stewart Little, on 26 February 2013 - 03:10 PM, said:

Interesting thought...although I don't think 'The Recker Girl' qualified unless her time at University of Toledo would count! She didn't play for PG last year. Venom, did you sleep away a year of your life?

I must have lol I meant two years ago. Got my years mixed up. my bad lol

[bigbrother6]

just a side note on the no other girl could start for Ottoville
Melissa Michel lead county in scoring, rebounding, steals and averaged 3.5 assists a game

[basketballstud]

bigbrother6, on 26 February 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

just a side note on the no other girl could start for Ottoville
Melissa Michel lead county in scoring, rebounding, steals and averaged 3.5 assists a game

Just a side note MC was 0-7 in PCL and 5-18 overall. She might have lead in scoring but she doesn't start on Ottoville JV. Sorry that's my opinion.

[oldlefty]

Said it once ...will say it again ...one name ...KLEMAN ...how do you think you go 28-0...4 unbeaten years in a row in league of small schools ...not to take anything away from O-villes players ...but Im sorry that's good coaching and you people from Big Green land should be very thankful you have somebody like that to bring out the very best in your young ladies ...several girls in the county would be very successful in O-villes program ...not all of them are fortunate enough to be able to play under good quality coaching ..wouldnt surprise me a bit if they ran the table again next year ..until some of these other schools are able to luck into some quality coaching ...O-ville will be there at the top to stay ..Good luck to the girls ...go bring home that state trophy this year !! from the land of P-G

[JimBucks]

basketballstud, on 26 February 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

Just a side note MC was 0-7 in PCL and 5-18 overall. She might have lead in scoring but she doesn't start on Ottoville JV. Sorry that's my opinion.

fishing a little? LOL IMHO she could start on Ottoville JV and Varsity

[basketballstud]

JimBucks, on 26 February 2013 - 09:44 PM, said:

fishing a little? LOL IMHO she could start on Ottoville JV and Varsity

No Fishing here. She plays on a weak team. She is the tallest and biggest player on team she muscles her way to basket. Of course she is going to score a lot and get rebounds. I am not saying she is bad just simply saying she wouldn't start for either JV or Varsity at Ottoville because of the group they have this year . We are a very quick aggressive team. Ottoville beat MC 78-30 Be honest with yourself JimBucks.

[Maltese Falcon]

Melissa Michel was a starter last year on an MC team team that played Ottoville to the wire. She would certainly start for Ottoville this year. A heck o fa player that can rebound, score and handles the ball well. To say she wouldn't start for the JV is ridiculous. She would surely star for Ottoville's varsity and is one of the best players in the area, but was on a really bad team this year, not her fault.

[basketballstud]

Listen I said she wasn't bad. She is better then I am giving her credit for. Just my opinion right or wrong

[Common Sense]

basketballstud, on 26 February 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

Just a side note MC was 0-7 in PCL and 5-18 overall. She might have lead in scoring but she doesn't start on Ottoville JV. Sorry that's my opinion.

???? Now that's funny! Michel is a very skilled basketball player who happened to be part of a rebuilding program this season at MC. She'd certainly have a chance of starting at Ottoville. The mere posting of this shoots your credibility!!

[Voice_of_reason]

basketballstud, on 26 February 2013 - 10:29 PM, said:

No Fishing here. She plays on a weak team. She is the tallest and biggest player on team she muscles her way to basket. Of course she is going to score a lot and get rebounds. I am not saying she is bad just simply saying she wouldn't start for either JV or Varsity at Ottoville because of the group they have this year . We are a very quick aggressive team. Ottoville beat MC 78-30 Be honest with yourself JimBucks.

She may be the biggest and strongest on her team but doesn't the team they are playing try and get rebounds and stop her or have athletes. Or since MC doesn't have a very good team they just let her get rebounds because they feel sorry for her. You could almost say that since she was about all MC had that makes her even better. More burden was put on her. Your argument is completely stupid. You need to take off your green and gold glasses and see whats going on.