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[Kane]

charliesheen, on 13 February 2013 - 08:59 AM, said:

How did Ottoville do against West Holmes??? Comparing one team to another based on results against a common opponent is bad enough....but making comparisons based on an opponent only one team has played is comical. I would think that you would understand this as much as anyone here.....though I really think the only reason you come on here is to try to somehow make people think you know more about girls basketball than these two guys do....

.....then you throw out something like Hiland beat West Holmes so they are better than Ottoville.............and we all see you for what you are...lol

if there was an icon to like this I would click it. well said. people can be delusional

[Landess]

Look at results! When has Ottoville beat a real top quality opponent? Every year they are highly ranked and fail to find deep tournament success. As much as I hope Siefker gets a title this year, I don't think she has enough help to compete with Hiland.

[Landess]

The delusional ones are those who don't get out and see these teams, and assume they are the best.

[Kane]

Landess, on 13 February 2013 - 01:52 PM, said:

The delusional ones are those who don't get out and see these teams, and assume they are the best.

Exactly. But even then, that doesn't mean you know something. You evaluate teams on who they play. It's not fair to the ones that are in a completely different area. That's why it's hard to compare two teams that are on the other side of the state from each other.

Edited by Kane, 13 February 2013 - 02:38 PM.

[Kane]

Landess, on 13 February 2013 - 01:49 PM, said:

Look at results! When has Ottoville beat a real top quality opponent? Every year they are highly ranked and fail to find deep tournament success. As much as I hope Siefker gets a title this year, I don't think she has enough help to compete with Hiland.

Ottoville is better than Hiland this year even without Kaufman. Ottoville has played some tough competition probably more so than Hiland in my opinion. Last year they were beaten by the state champs who crushed Hiland. To this day I still feel that Ottoville was better than Arlington, but it wasn't their night it was Arlingtons. Two years ago they were beaten by Jefferson who also made a run to state. Three years ago they were beaten by Fort Loramie another state team. And then there is Hiland who makes it down to state almost every year with hardly breaking a sweat. It looks good for them sure but because Ottoville plays tougher competition in tournament than Hiland, it doesn't look so good for Ottoville. You make the case that HIland has beaten better competition than Ottoville then I will make the case that they haven't. Again this Hiland team got smoked by Wadsworth who beat Bath by 12. Ottoville beat them by 19. I know that's far out there but it's the only scale we have to compare these two teams. I am not from Ottoville, but it would be nice to see Ottoville finally get that state championship. They deserve it.

Edited by Kane, 13 February 2013 - 02:36 PM.

[Landess]

Hiland beat west Holmes , west Holmes beat Hathaway brown, Hathaway brown beat Whitney young..... So what? Ottoville hasn't played a team as good as west Holmes.

[tfloangel]

Kane, on 13 February 2013 - 08:56 AM, said:

I don't know tfloangel. Don't think I can buy into that. Maybe this year is different, who knows, but lately they have had a very easy run to state.

You don't have to trust me. I haven't seen Ottoville play, but I do keep tabs on the MAC and other western Ohio leagues and schools. Can you say the same about Eastern Ohio? It sounds like you're making assumptions based on what has happened in the past (Just like you're choosing to put more weight to a bad loss on an off night to a very good Wadsworth squad over a well-executed game plan over an even better West Holmes team...)

[tfloangel]

To be fair, my opinion here is largely irrelevant. Hiland will either play to their potential and get to state or not. If and when they do, they will either beat Ottoville (assuming they make it) or not, which will quell the argument. I'm just trying to give a broader point of view, which I will admit I do not always feel is welcomed by all on this site.

Edited by tfloangel, 13 February 2013 - 04:48 PM.

[Landess]

Keep in mind wadsworth is one of the top division 1 teams in Ohio and Hiland is D4

[flounder]

tflo....

I always welcome your point of view...and I have had the Hiland Hawks ranked above Ottoville all season....I always enjoy watching Hiland play and they have a great tradition...good luck down the tourney trail....I hope to see you in Cbus!!!!

[Kane]

Look Hiland has good tradition but they also have one of the easiest roads to state every year. Again Wadsworth beat Bath by 12 and Ottoville beat Bath by 19 so that tells me Ottoville can very well compete or beat Wadsworth. No matter what happens Ottoville is a better team than Hiland this year in my opinion. Hopefully we can see them two in the state finals. In the end it's all speculation.

[von]

Kane, on 13 February 2013 - 10:19 PM, said:

Look Hiland has good tradition but they also have one of the easiest roads to state every year. Again Wadsworth beat Bath by 12 and Ottoville beat Bath by 19 so that tells me Ottoville can very well compete or beat Wadsworth. No matter what happens Ottoville is a better team than Hiland this year in my opinion. Hopefully we can see them two in the state finals. In the end it's all speculation.

Kane, I agree with your enthuasium with Ottoville, I am a die in the wool Ottoville fan, raised in Ottoville. But without the guard, if will be tough for Ottoville to win D-4. I am not being negative vs. the Big Green. I disagree that Berlin-H played an easier schedule than Ottoville, that is not correct, they play a much tougher schedule than Ottoville. I am not saying that Ottoville plays a light schedule, but it will be a tough road to win the D-4 title. If Ottoville wins the D-4, I will be there. I am not a negative person, but I face the facts. I hope I am wrong. Go Lady Green....

[Kane]

Well in all honesty it's all speculation. But people can believe what they want to believe.

[tfloangel]

flounder, on 13 February 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

tflo.... I always welcome your point of view...and I have had the Hiland Hawks ranked above Ottoville all season....I always enjoy watching Hiland play and they have a great tradition...good luck down the tourney trail....I hope to see you in Cbus!!!!

I know flounder

It just seems as if a couple of others are sticking to a very narrow-minded point of view. I find it very hard to believe that Kane actually has any working knowledge of the Eastern District, but he's still choosing to believe that he's right rather than give me any credit that I know what I'm talking about

[Kane]

tfloangel, on 14 February 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

I know flounder

It just seems as if a couple of others are sticking to a very narrow-minded point of view. I find it very hard to believe that Kane actually has any working knowledge of the Eastern District, but he's still choosing to believe that he's right rather than give me any credit that I know what I'm talking about

It's all speculation bud. I'm not trying to make you change your opinion or anything. And I'm not saying that I am right it's just my opinion and you have yours. Neither is a fact at this point. They don't play the same teams and you don't have to watch a team in person just to get a better understanding of them. But hey that's just what I think.

[flounder]

tfloangel, on 14 February 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

I know flounder

It just seems as if a couple of others are sticking to a very narrow-minded point of view. I find it very hard to believe that Kane actually has any working knowledge of the Eastern District, but he's still choosing to believe that he's right rather than give me any credit that I know what I'm talking about

tflo......

Kane has his blinders on....he has no clue how good Hiland is....I do, as I has seen Hiland play many times in the past....also, I would take Schlabach(sp) as a coach anytime........and a word of caution to Kane.....be very careful what you wish for...I was in attendance the last time when Ottoville played Hiland...great game to see....and I have no horse in this fight....I do hope that me friend 'von' knows that I am on his side......I just like Hiland also because they are the true epitome of a successful basketball program!!!!

[Kane]

flounder, on 14 February 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:

tflo......

Kane has his blinders on....he has no clue how good Hiland is....I do, as I has seen Hiland play many times in the past....also, I would take Schlabach(sp) as a coach anytime........and a word of caution to Kane.....be very careful what you wish for...I was in attendance the last time when Ottoville played Hiland...great game to see....and I have no horse in this fight....I do hope that me friend 'von' knows that I am on his side......I just like Hiland also because they are the true epitome of a successful basketball program!!!!

Flounder they are not blinders it's what you call opinions just like what you and everybody else has on here. I am not by all means saying Hiland is a bad team. I think they are one of the most successful Division 4 girls basketball programs around. I just think what helps them out a lot is their easy road to state every year and the fact that they maybe play a couple teams worth bragging about and that is about it. I'm not downgrading Hiland because its not their fault who they play. You can watch them play all you want, but again it goes to my theory that just because you watch a team play doesn't mean you know them and know what kind of team they are. I could go down to watch a Hiland game right now if I want and they could have the worst game of the season but does that mean I know everything about them? I'm just saying they play completely different teams than any other team around here. That's why in the end, rankings in high school sports are irrelevant and should not exist. Like I said before, no is wrong with their opinion but they also have to understand that opinions are not facts.

Edited by Kane, 15 February 2013 - 07:53 AM.

[Mysterio]

Kind of agree with Kane on this one flounder. I know you do your homework and very good at it. If we compare the two schools (Ottoville-Hiland) there is no dispute that Ottoville has a much tougher road to state than Hiland. Which is a big deal considering that playing tougher competition can really beat a team down and make themselves vulnerable to an upset at any given night. Hope we can see this matchup in the state finals this year but seeing that Ottoville will have their hands full if they want to get there.

[flounder]

Kane and my friend Mysterio.....

I think that Hiland will have a tougher road this year.....Ottoville's road is cake this season.....if I have the brackets correct(but who knows, they change almost every year and I do not follow them that close). Ottoville's only tough opponent will be Crestview....I believe the MAC teams all go south as well as Loramie and to be honest with you the teams up north are not worthy.......Hiland on the other hand must face teams like Sugarcreek Garaway, Rosencrans, and Lake Ridge Academy which is a pretty tough stretch......so your assessment of who has the easiest road would fall into Ottoville's lap!!!!!!

[Mysterio]

flounder, on 15 February 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

Kane and my friend Mysterio.....

I think that Hiland will have a tougher road this year.....Ottoville's road is cake this season.....if I have the brackets correct(but who knows, they change almost every year and I do not follow them that close). Ottoville's only tough opponent will be Crestview....I believe the MAC teams all go south as well as Loramie and to be honest with you the teams up north are not worthy.......Hiland on the other hand must face teams like Sugarcreek Garaway, Rosencrans, and Lake Ridge Academy which is a pretty tough stretch......so your assessment of who has the easiest road would fall into Ottoville's lap!!!!!!

Gosh flounder I don't know about that. Especially saying Ottoville's road is cake. If Hiland has a tougher road than that would be a first for them. But like said before, you are entitled to your opinion as well. Have a great weekend flounder. I will touring the tournament as usual this year!