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[Horizon]

WhiteBear20, on 01 February 2013 - 12:04 AM, said:

I never said i'd like to see LB leave the conference Tiger, i just pressed my opinion that i could see it as a benefit for both LB and the BVC but as i said, the BVC is and has been home to LB for many years and i don't mind it staying that way. I also would most definetly like to see HN play 10 Ridgemont's and Ridgedale's for the next few years as well but unfortanetely Tiger you and i don't get to make those decisions .

There would be no benefit to the BVC to have any of the strong programs leave. CURRENTLY: LB, McComb, Leipsic, Arlington, HL and to a lesser degree VB, rank towards the top of the league in enrollment, facilities, coaching, recent playoff appearances, fan support, etc. The current league strength is due to these programs. The league OVERALL benefits from having these teams in the BVC. The argument could be made that INDIVIDUALLY Vanlue, Arcadia, HN, and NB would benefit from not playing the strong programs in the BVC. These schools would have more success/benefit from playing in the NWCC. Having the strong programs stay in the conference is where the benefit lies for the BVC. The BVC should aim to emulate the MAC (or at least the NWC) and not the NWCC.

[PostPlayer]

Man I wonder where this all stands in 5 yrs. Let's not forget that other schools are struggling with numbers as well, including Arlington. Enrollment numbers are down and even with historically a very sound football program, we are down to high 20's and low 30's for football. Heck we won state championship in girls basketball just last year, and we currently have 15 girls in grades 9-12 out for basketball this year. Only 7 in 8th grade too.

Enrollments will continue to go down for almost every Hancock county school not named Van Buren and LB (thanks to being an extension of Findlay). Leipsic has some industry to keep their numbers somewhat stable and possibly even McComb but they are having numbers issues in several sports as well. They didn't even have a 7th grade girls team this year - and only 7 on 8th grade.

It's a reality - all these new schools popping up - and in 15 yrs, there may not be 25 kids in a class in any of these smaller schools. Probably should have made Hancock North and Hancock South schools like they do in KY.

[roarintiger1]

Post, I agree. The state should have mandated that the schools consolidate BEFORE any taxpayer money was given to build a new school building.

[gamekeeper]

But then what we do every year around football season. I mean how will survive without will they (Vanlue) have enough or won't they.

[woodynbo]

PostPlayer, on 04 February 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

Man I wonder where this all stands in 5 yrs. Let's not forget that other schools are struggling with numbers as well, including Arlington. Enrollment numbers are down and even with historically a very sound football program, we are down to high 20's and low 30's for football. Heck we won state championship in girls basketball just last year, and we currently have 15 girls in grades 9-12 out for basketball this year. Only 7 in 8th grade too.

Enrollments will continue to go down for almost every Hancock county school not named Van Buren and LB (thanks to being an extension of Findlay). Leipsic has some industry to keep their numbers somewhat stable and possibly even McComb but they are having numbers issues in several sports as well. They didn't even have a 7th grade girls team this year - and only 7 on 8th grade.

It's a reality - all these new schools popping up - and in 15 yrs, there may not be 25 kids in a class in any of these smaller schools. Probably should have made Hancock North and Hancock South schools like they do in KY.

It's time for OHSAA to start 8 man football for small enrollment schools.

[gamekeeper]

Or it would be cheaper for the state to start consolidating schools. Most other states have done or have started doing that.
You don't need 8 man football. Drop football. putnam county schools have none football schools have for years.

[Bluetiger76]

gamekeeper, on 08 February 2013 - 10:24 AM, said:

You don't need 8 man football. Drop football. putnam county schools have none football schools have for years.

Bingo

[PostPlayer]

I am okay with dropping football at schools that cannot field at least 24 players. I think that should be a state minimum to host a football team.

Once you have 24 kids out on 1st day of 2-a-days your good to go. If you don't have 24 kids at first practice of season...sorry. If you don't have 24 kids 2 years in a row - football goes away until you have 30 kids play.

That should do it...

[woodynbo]

PostPlayer, on 09 February 2013 - 10:29 AM, said:

I am okay with dropping football at schools that cannot field at least 24 players. I think that should be a state minimum to host a football team.

Once you have 24 kids out on 1st day of 2-a-days your good to go. If you don't have 24 kids at first practice of season...sorry. If you don't have 24 kids 2 years in a row - football goes away until you have 30 kids play.

That should do it...

What about the 23 kids that want to play football.8 man football solves that problem.With the state going to 7 divisions for football 8 man seams like the next logical sense.Logic and OSHAA OOPS.

Edited by woodynbo, 09 February 2013 - 12:32 PM.

[Bluetiger76]

woodynbo, on 09 February 2013 - 12:30 PM, said:

Logic and OSHAA OOPS.

That right there is funny.

[HH75]

PostPlayer, on 09 February 2013 - 10:29 AM, said:

I am okay with dropping football at schools that cannot field at least 24 players. I think that should be a state minimum to host a football team.

Once you have 24 kids out on 1st day of 2-a-days your good to go. If you don't have 24 kids at first practice of season...sorry. If you don't have 24 kids 2 years in a row - football goes away until you have 30 kids play.

That should do it...

Dumb! How are other teams in your league going.to schedule games?

[Northwestsports]

HH75, on 09 February 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

Dumb! How are other teams in your league going.to schedule games?

Gotta agree by then its gonna be to late.

[gamekeeper]

Yeah that would be to late.

There is soccer...Putnam county boys play soccer If the school makes a point to put a winning program together they can get kids to switch their mind set. I don't care what anyone says. YOu can't tell me 20 boys would rather play on a team they can compete on a regular basis versus getting smoked every game. Like I said putnam county has some very physical boys soccer teams.
Also soccer is great for basketball teams because they are in better shape for basketball. Football takes a different type of conditioning to soccer, which when crosses over to basketball better.

[Pantherbuff]

gamekeeper, on 10 February 2013 - 01:26 PM, said:

Yeah that would be to late.

There is soccer...Putnam county boys play soccer If the school makes a point to put a winning program together they can get kids to switch their mind set. I don't care what anyone says. YOu can't tell me 20 boys would rather play on a team they can compete on a regular basis versus getting smoked every game. Like I said putnam county has some very physical boys soccer teams.
Also soccer is great for basketball teams because they are in better shape for basketball. Football takes a different type of conditioning to soccer, which when crosses over to basketball better.

In our area, football along with basketball has a better fan base, whitch helps pay for the sport program for the schools....

[HH75]

gamekeeper, on 10 February 2013 - 01:26 PM, said:

Yeah that would be to late.

There is soccer...Putnam county boys play soccer If the school makes a point to put a winning program together they can get kids to switch their mind set. I don't care what anyone says. YOu can't tell me 20 boys would rather play on a team they can compete on a regular basis versus getting smoked every game. Like I said putnam county has some very physical boys soccer teams.
Also soccer is great for basketball teams because they are in better shape for basketball. Football takes a different type of conditioning to soccer, which when crosses over to basketball better.

I know this wont be popular with some on here and you'll never change my mind so dont try!


I for one am sick of kick ball and all the Political correctness BS that goes with that sport! IMO In all but the large schools (D1-D3) it has done nothing but drive a wedge between kids and parents. More budgets have been shot because of it. I know that one local school will take in more money from a bad jr hi football game than a varsity soccer game. And the jr hi football game doesnt charge as much as the varsity soccer game.

And at a athletic event fund rasier we get very few soccer people to buy a ticket let alone come to the event and parcipatate ... the coach showed up but sat on his wallet all night.( atleast that I saw and I was up selling items more than a few times) Kinda wish all sports had to pay thier own way. You wont change my mind so dont try! End rant... off soap box
Have a nice evening!

[daaa browns]

Of course Putnam County schools will say go to soccer....they never felt what it is like to support your school's football team on a friday night....it is the best feeling ever..especially when your kids playing, so you can't tell me everyone would prefer soccer.. That is just Putnam County logic cause they have never sported football teams before

Edited by daaa browns, 10 February 2013 - 08:55 PM.

[Bobby]

If each sport had to pay its own way, there would be a LOT of schools with no sports at all. And there would be a lot of schools with no football.

[Pantherbuff]

Bobby, on 10 February 2013 - 08:56 PM, said:

If each sport had to pay its own way, there would be a LOT of schools with no sports at all. And there would be a lot of schools with no football.

At our school football and basketball has the largest income and help pay for other sports like baseball, solfball, track, and others, because of their gate receats....If we gave up football for soccer, we would lose alot of money, because we would not have as many fans at the soccer game as we would at a football game....

[Common Sense]

Unfortunately, the number at the start of two a days is way too late to decide if there is going to be football or not. YOu have to have a decision by Feb. 1 to allow teams to reschedule if necessary.

I guess theoretically I can't believe we have schools with graduating classes of 40-50-60 or more that can't field a football team with 30-40 players. What are kids doing these days? You don't need 25 guys on a golf team. Cross country teams are non existent except for LB. C'mon guys, get out there are participate!!

[gamekeeper]

I get that Football is the big draw, I get that most schools that it is their biggest money maker. If you have 20 kids playing and losing by 45 points every game you aren't drawing a large fan base.
Not talking about McComb dropping football I am talking about a school that has 20 kids go out three get hurt and are down to 17.
That year in and year out have only 20 boys go out. YOur not filling your stadium.
Soccer would be a bigger draw to a school, if they didnt' have football on friday nights. Parents and grandparents are still going to show up to the game no matter what sport the player is playing.

And I am not from putnam county ......I just used them as an example. I don't think fort Jennings has football and they have a successful soccer, and basketball programs.