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[Dman]

LCC is better than the other NWC members at the major sports. There is no denying that from any perspective. The only thing larger than the gap between LCC's basketball prowess, and that of the second place finisher in the NWC in any given year,…is the ego of the average LCC poster on Rocketcorner.

What I find astounding, given every advantage LCC has over their immediate competition…is that they aren’t better. Ottawa is known to end LCC’s season alone. They do it with defined borders and the added burden all public institutions face. For example, Ottawa doesn’t have the luxury of booting a problem player out of school…and letting Perry clean up the mess.

Imagine if Putnam County had an LCC equivalent? Although Putnam County is a much smaller population base than LCC is accustomed to pilfering…one can only surmise that if the best players in Putnam County from Ottawa, Columbus Grove, Kalida, etc were prone to seek a “better education” at a small private Catholic school…?

Well let’s just say that anyone with an ounce of local basketball sense can SEE that LCC is actually underachieving…

Edited by Dman, 24 December 2012 - 07:57 PM.

[Rd2Glory]

Dman, on 24 December 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

LCC is better than the other NWC members at the major sports. There is no denying that from any perspective. The only thing larger than the gap between LCC's basketball prowess, and that of the second place finisher in the NWC in any given year,…is the ego of the average LCC poster on Rocketcorner.

What I find astounding, given every advantage LCC has over their immediate competition…is that they aren’t better. Ottawa is known to end LCC’s season alone. They do it with defined borders and the added burden all public institutions face. For example, Ottawa doesn’t have the luxury of booting a problem player out of school…and letting Perry clean up the mess.

Imagine if Putnam County had an LCC equivalent? Although Putnam County is a much smaller population base than LCC is accustomed to pilfering…one can only surmise that if the best players in Putnam County from Ottawa, Columbus Grove, Kalida, etc were prone to seek a “better education” at a small private Catholic school…?

Well let’s just say that anyone with an ounce of local basketball sense can SEE that LCC is actually underachieving…

Underachieving is a few years removed from a state championship and regional appearances the last two years?

You take issue with LCC getting kids from public schools, but no issue with OG getting every graduate from a Catholic junior high (SPPS). You point out the disadvantage that OG only pulls kids from "within their boundary" yet no mention of the advantage that they automatically get every single athlete living within their boundary.

Additionally, when Perry accepts a kicked out kid from LCC to be the star on their basketball team, it's "cleaning up the mess," but when LCC accepts a kicked out kid from Bath, it's recruiting. That makes sense.

[roadtoC-town]

yes underachieving is correct.

LCC pulls from 40,000

Its 2 biggest competition this year:

O-G --9,000

WT-- 5,400

You do know that 99% of the kids who go to SPPS live in OG school district?

[Rd2Glory]

roadtoC-town, on 24 December 2012 - 10:59 PM, said:

yes underachieving is correct.

LCC pulls from 40,000

Its 2 biggest competition this year:

O-G --9,000

WT-- 5,400

You do know that 99% of the kids who go to SPPS live in OG school district?

I have no problem with SPPS kids going to OG. I do think its hypocritical for people to take issue with LCC getting some public school kids and not think twice about OG getting every graduate from a catholic elementary school.

LCC competes with 6 other high schools in their area. They won state three years ago and went to regionals the last two years. What do they have to do to not "underachieve," win state every year?

[Osu4me]

Hound Dog, on 24 December 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

That is an arrogant way of looking at it.

It was no different BEFORE LCC got in then it will be next year. Grove's championship in football, Lincolnview in basketball were before LCC got in the league. The conference will still be just as competitive. It's cry babies like you that are the only one's thinking that way (2nd place etc.). People from Ottawa, Bath, Elida, and other communities think it's hilarious that they were kicked out of the league. Trust me on this....there are not very many LCC fans out there.

When is the last time Grove even came close to 2nd place in conference play? You act like if LCC wasn't in the picture Grove will be winning it all! And Groves championship in football was with Cooper yet you continue to mock the man every chance you get.

[Dman]

Underachieving is a few years removed from a state championship and regional appearances the last two years?

As compared to Ottawa...LCC is a huge underachiever. Ottawa does so much more with less... I could not even imagine how large the gap would be between a small Putnam County Catholic private and LCC... As good as LCC is...they should be so much better.

I do understand that for those LCC posters whose ego-gratification is derived through denouncing smaller schools in the area...bringing up Ottawa is uncomfortable. While indeed not an apple to apple comparison...since LCC also enjoys advantages over Ottawa (if to a lesser extent)... It does serve as a nice spring board to demonstrate how out of line some LCC fan's egos can contort.

You take issue with LCC getting kids from public schools

I take issue with pompous LCC fans denouncing other NWC teams and communities...particularly when you compare LCC's achievements within the context of their advantages and realize their achievements aren't nearly as impressive as the inflated ego of their average RC poster might indicate. I do acknowledge LCC's athletic/academic success. I believe that their kid's accomplishments should not be tarnished by the actions of a few pompous internet posters. But it would be a disservice to the informed RC poster to not point out that what Ottawa accomplishes is a much more impressive and difficult feat.

You point out the disadvantage that OG only pulls kids from "within their boundary" yet no mention of the advantage that they automatically get every single athlete living within their boundary

I point out that Ottawa achieves more with less.

I point out that if Putnam County had a small private Catholic school that operated exactly like LCC does in Allen County…the Putnam County equivalent would whoop LCC’s ass on a regular basis.

We know this by observing how Ottawa ALONE competes within the confines a public institution presents. I could not imagine how damn good a hypothetical Putnam County private Catholic school would be in sports. The ability to cherry pick the best of Putnam County via the lure of a “superior private education” from Ottawa, Columbus Grove, Kalida, Ottoville, Fort Jennings, Pandora, Miller City, Leipsic… (the combined population total of which would still be less than what LCC enjoys for their pickings)…would ultimately lead to the BEST small school basketball program in this state. This would be true, even if some of the better players chose to stay at their home school.

When looked at in this context, which is a much more fair comparison than expecting Allen East to match LCC’s prowess on the hardwood… One can make a very sound argument that LCC’s accomplishments are really not too special.

LCC’s accomplishments are certainly deserving of respect. But their accomplishments do not reach the level where their disrespecting posters get a free pass to belittle the small public NWC institutions. If a few of their pompous attitudes continue to seek refuge in these forums…it is only fair that the opposition point to a community like Ottawa as means to stuff their traps.

Edited by Dman, 25 December 2012 - 10:48 AM.

[jeffcat-bucki]

I just take solace in knowing that when I played against LCC, I threw one of their lineman through the air, into their punter, and blocked their punt. The guy I threw was one of my friends over there and I think he is still scared of me to this day.

[Hound Dog]

Osu4me, on 25 December 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

When is the last time Grove even came close to 2nd place in conference play? You act like if LCC wasn't in the picture Grove will be winning it all! And Groves championship in football was with Cooper yet you continue to mock the man every chance you get.

I have never said a bad word about Cooper.

[Hound Dog]

Osu4me, on 25 December 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

When is the last time Grove even came close to 2nd place in conference play? You act like if LCC wasn't in the picture Grove will be winning it all! And Groves championship in football was with Cooper yet you continue to mock the man every chance you get.

I'm also a realist. Grove hasn't had the talent to be as good as they were in the early 2000's. That has nothing to do with LCC being in the league.

[dawgs87]

So if lcc takes kids from public schools are they at least catholic? I mean imagine the ethical dilemma of sending your kid to a school that teaches values and beliefs that you don't support or believe in. But then again if they play in a smaller division and can dominate in sports, then I guess common sense goes out the window. Once again lcc has out grown the conference, if they want to produce quality D1 level college athletes they would benefit from playing schools with similar competitive advantages. The conference will be fine w/o them. On a side note good ole saint Jerry cooper stated in his pregame '04 speech vs lcc, "now lets go beat those stuck up catholic pricks." Hey Jerry half if your CG team that yr was catholic, kinda ironic he would be coaching those same "stuck up catholic pricks" 1 yr later.

[Badlands]

dawgs87, on 25 December 2012 - 12:46 PM, said:

On a side note good ole saint Jerry cooper stated in his pregame '04 speech vs lcc, "now lets go beat those stuck up catholic pricks." Hey Jerry half if your CG team that yr was catholic, kinda ironic he would be coaching those same "stuck up catholic pricks" 1 yr later.

Hmmmm...Wonder what my dear friend OSU4me has to say since SHE says IM the #1 rumor spreader. Clutch, JB,the floor is yours.

B

[clutch]

Badlands, on 25 December 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

Hmmmm...Wonder what my dear friend OSU4me has to say since SHE says IM the #1 rumor spreader. Clutch, JB,the floor is yours.

B

I couldn't care less. I for one don't get bent out of shape over comments like that. For example, at a 7 on 7 my junior year, an ada parent yelled at us that we were a bunch of "fish eatin bastards" lol....we laughed.

[Rocketman]

I do want to thank all the LCC fans here on the RC for being such good sports about this entire thread..............even though I've had my issues with them in
the past, this is one time that I agree with the 'Birds...........we have a pretty good rivalry (although it hasn't seemed like much of a rivalry the past 10-15 years)
with Grove and I know them to be as obnoxious bunch as they come.........so for once, I'm backing the 'birds...........thanks RM

[Mr Bearcat]

dawgs87, on 25 December 2012 - 12:46 PM, said:

So if lcc takes kids from public schools are they at least catholic? I mean imagine the ethical dilemma of sending your kid to a school that teaches values and beliefs that you don't support or believe in. But then again if they play in a smaller division and can dominate in sports, then I guess common sense goes out the window. Once again lcc has out grown the conference, if they want to produce quality D1 level college athletes they would benefit from playing schools with similar competitive advantages. The conference will be fine w/o them. On a side note good ole saint Jerry cooper stated in his pregame '04 speech vs lcc, "now lets go beat those stuck up catholic pricks." Hey Jerry half if your CG team that yr was catholic, kinda ironic he would be coaching those same "stuck up catholic pricks" 1 yr later.

Be Careful, I have argued the same thing in first sentence multiple times, and they really upset! lol!

[Mr Bearcat]

Rd2Glory, on 24 December 2012 - 10:35 PM, said:

Underachieving is a few years removed from a state championship and regional appearances the last two years?

You take issue with LCC getting kids from public schools, but no issue with OG getting every graduate from a Catholic junior high (SPPS). You point out the disadvantage that OG only pulls kids from "within their boundary" yet no mention of the advantage that they automatically get every single athlete living within their boundary.

Additionally, when Perry accepts a kicked out kid from LCC to be the star on their basketball team, it's "cleaning up the mess," but when LCC accepts a kicked out kid from Bath, it's recruiting. That makes sense.

The School/Church they represent is OTTAWA St. Peter and Paul, so it only makes sense they would wind up at Ottawa-Glandorf. Therfore your argument is Not the same as LCC pulling kids from Bath, Elida or Shawnee.

[ADog]

clutch, on 25 December 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

I couldn't care less. I for one don't get bent out of shape over comments like that. For example, at a 7 on 7 my junior year, an ada parent yelled at us that we were a bunch of "fish eatin bastards" lol....we laughed.

No, No, No Clutch...I yelled "When does your fIsh frys start".....I love them "AYCE" fry's.

Disclaimer: Calm down..only kidding...........

[ADog]

You know, I have been reading this and all the other posts on here and I have come to the conclusion, it is pretty cool we can discuss these types of isssues. My meaning of this is because I have also been reading on another site the situation taking place in Steubenville and now the inclusion of the group "Anonymous" who is a sophistacated hacker group. Reading all the goings on over on the east side of the state...our issues are VERY minor here ....I would be willing to bet, posters on the other site wish they could be discussing issues of a missing banner, transfers etc.....

[Hound Dog]

Rocketman, on 25 December 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

I do want to thank all the LCC fans here on the RC for being such good sports about this entire thread..............even though I've had my issues with them in
the past, this is one time that I agree with the 'Birds...........we have a pretty good rivalry (although it hasn't seemed like much of a rivalry the past 10-15 years)
with Grove and I know them to be as obnoxious bunch as they come.........so for once, I'm backing the 'birds...........thanks RM

That's ok rocket...we still hate Pandora as much as we used to.

[pokercat]

DMan-So any time Lima Sr loses to Ottawa,Shawnee,Elida etc. they are underachieving,cause they have more kids to draw from??That is crazy.. I will agree LCC underachieved 2 seasons ago,losing to both Crestview and Columbus Grove in NWC play..(with a team that returned alot from previous years state championship team)..But last season running the table in NWC and losing to OG in regional final was not an underachieving season..(with many young players)

[jeffcat-bucki]

Hound Dog, on 25 December 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

That's ok rocket...we still hate Pandora as much as we used to.

I thought Pandora got rid of their football team?