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[daaa browns]

Wilco98, on 12 December 2012 - 02:42 PM, said:

Coldwater 28 Mooney 27
Coldwater 33 Mooney 9
Coldwater 59 Alter 52

Just sayin'.

Thats one school got anymore???? haha marion local maybe but come on+ everyone knows that private school take advantage of recruiting....

[daaa browns]

jeffcat-bucki, on 12 December 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

He's just the forum troll. Just ignore him.

Forum troll?? how exactly...

[Wilco98]

Bigdogg79, on 13 December 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

Coldwater has had one heck of a 17 year run. We shall see how they feel in a few years from now. Times change.

Yep...it's been quite a run. The Cavs lose a lot of key players and will be starting quite a few fresh faces in 2013. We'll see what happens. Whatever the result, the boys will have my support.

[Week 10 All-American]

Rd2Glory, on 13 December 2012 - 12:39 AM, said:

Well, remember, this scholarship is given out by the individual parish and is completely unaffiliated with LCC. So, if St. Mary's Parish in Bluffton wanted to give money to any of their parishioners to attend Catholic high school (or for any other reason for that matter) then that's their business. The 4 Catholic parishes in Lima are completely separate from LCC in terms of finances, leadership, and everything else. They are only connected in that the majority of kids from the Catholic Grade schools attend LCC and they're all part of the Catholic community in Lima.

What are the four Lima parishes?

[Wilco98]

Week 10 All-American, on 13 December 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:

What are the four Lima parishes?

St. Rose
St. Gerard
St. Charles Borromeo
St. John the Evangelist

[Maltese Falcon]

Rd2Glory, on 13 December 2012 - 06:15 PM, said:

I have no stats to back this up, but I would imagine the catholic schools lose more students to bath, elida, and Shawnee each year than they gain. Until recently, that was also true for Lima Senior, though 10 years from now I imagine it will once again be true for Lima Senior as "vouchers" will come over in the early grades (as opposed to many currently switching between 5th and 8th grade as the system is implemented).

Lose a bunch of students/ gain a few great athletes........better yet, smaller division due to decreased enrollment but better talent (doesn't show up in enrollment #'s)

[LimaJock]

Maltese Falcon, on 13 December 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

Lose a bunch of students/ gain a few great athletes........better yet, smaller division due to decreased enrollment but better talent (doesn't show up in enrollment #'s)

LJ

[jeffcat-bucki]

daaa browns, on 13 December 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

Forum troll?? how exactly...

His posts speak for their self.

[Rd2Glory]

Maltese Falcon, on 13 December 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

Lose a bunch of students/ gain a few great athletes........better yet, smaller division due to decreased enrollment but better talent (doesn't show up in enrollment #'s)

Pretty confident that you could name a few athletes and maybe a couple family friends who go to LCC and that's it. So you have very little idea about the makeup of the student body at LCC.

Name one kid who transferred in to LCC and contributed in a varsity sport this year.

[Wilco98]

Some people have it so ingrained in their brains that private schools will do anything and everything to get the best athletes to come to their school, and that's simply not the case. You try telling them that, though, and they respond back with the same crap they spewed forth before. It's a circular argument, because the anti-private people are so entrenched in their beliefs and myths and fantasy worlds that they refuse to believe anything to the contrary.

Oh, and they very rarely will provide any concrete, irrefutable proof of their beliefs. Well, it's about damn time they do. So...to all you anti-private school people, show me something that backs up what you say here. Something concrete and irrefutable. None of this "Well, this person said" or "Well, this person did this or that". Gimme something I can't dispute.

Ball's in your court. Gimme your best shot.

[jeffcat-bucki]

Wilco98, on 14 December 2012 - 07:07 AM, said:

Some people have it so ingrained in their brains that private schools will do anything and everything to get the best athletes to come to their school, and that's simply not the case. You try telling them that, though, and they respond back with the same crap they spewed forth before. It's a circular argument, because the anti-private people are so entrenched in their beliefs and myths and fantasy worlds that they refuse to believe anything to the contrary.

Oh, and they very rarely will provide any concrete, irrefutable proof of their beliefs. Well, it's about damn time they do. So...to all you anti-private school people, show me something that backs up what you say here. Something concrete and irrefutable. None of this "Well, this person said" or "Well, this person did this or that". Gimme something I can't dispute.

Ball's in your court. Gimme your best shot.

You should go go to Cleveland or Youngstown sometime...probably Cincy here soon as well. Mooney and Ursuline are both private and pick on each other as to who they have "acquired" and who they have not...there are even tidbits about Youngstown Christian the past few years too. They also gets their pants on fire about the numerous transfers that have gone from one school to the next. It's a near collegiate atmosphere(athletically of course, not academically). The situation isn't much different in Cleveland between Ed's and Iggy. It's been relatively "tame" by those standards in Cincy, but with Moeller firing back up, it's been heating up again between privates(not even publics) like Elder, X, etc. The Columbus schools here certainly are not garnering positive press in the investigations in to Harvest Prep and Africentric. Don't even get me started on the all girls schools either. If you think boy's football is bad, girl's "catholic" or "academy" schools are WAY worse on an entirely different scale.

My question to you is if the privates are complaining about losing players to other privates....what room DOESN'T the publics have room to complain about?

[Bigdogg79]

Wilco98, on 14 December 2012 - 07:07 AM, said:

Some people have it so ingrained in their brains that private schools will do anything and everything to get the best athletes to come to their school, and that's simply not the case. You try telling them that, though, and they respond back with the same crap they spewed forth before. It's a circular argument, because the anti-private people are so entrenched in their beliefs and myths and fantasy worlds that they refuse to believe anything to the contrary.

Oh, and they very rarely will provide any concrete, irrefutable proof of their beliefs. Well, it's about damn time they do. So...to all you anti-private school people, show me something that backs up what you say here. Something concrete and irrefutable. None of this "Well, this person said" or "Well, this person did this or that". Gimme something I can't dispute.

Ball's in your court. Gimme your best shot.

Again one more time, It's not only about the kids you have at private schools that make a difference, it's the kids you don't have.

[JohnMcClane]

Rd2Glory, on 14 December 2012 - 12:25 AM, said:

Pretty confident that you could name a few athletes and maybe a couple family friends who go to LCC and that's it. So you have very little idea about the makeup of the student body at LCC. Name one kid who transferred in to LCC and contributed in a varsity sport this year.

So you're telling us that LCC is made up of good catholic kids and the only reason they attend is for the catholic education. How many of the non-catholic LCC students every end up taking a RCIA class to join the church. My guess that is a low number. Are there other reasons to attend a religious school if you don't every plan to become a member of the church.

[Bigdogg79]

Wilco98, on 13 December 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

Yep...it's been quite a run. The Cavs lose a lot of key players and will be starting quite a few fresh faces in 2013. We'll see what happens. Whatever the result, the boys will have my support.

Coldwater has had the greatest run since St. Marys in the 70s & 80s who I think would have had several more state titles if the playoff were like today. No doubt Rider fans can tell you how things can change in a hurry.

http://rocketcorner....showtopic=21273

[jeffcat-bucki]

Bigdogg79, on 14 December 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

Again one more time, It's not only about the kids you have at private schools that make a difference, it's the kids you don't have.

A very valid point.

[Wilco98]

jeffcat-bucki, on 14 December 2012 - 10:40 AM, said:

You should go go to Cleveland or Youngstown sometime...probably Cincy here soon as well. Mooney and Ursuline are both private and pick on each other as to who they have "acquired" and who they have not...there are even tidbits about Youngstown Christian the past few years too. They also gets their pants on fire about the numerous transfers that have gone from one school to the next. It's a near collegiate atmosphere(athletically of course, not academically). The situation isn't much different in Cleveland between Ed's and Iggy. It's been relatively "tame" by those standards in Cincy, but with Moeller firing back up, it's been heating up again between privates(not even publics) like Elder, X, etc. The Columbus schools here certainly are not garnering positive press in the investigations in to Harvest Prep and Africentric. Don't even get me started on the all girls schools either. If you think boy's football is bad, girl's "catholic" or "academy" schools are WAY worse on an entirely different scale.

My question to you is if the privates are complaining about losing players to other privates....what room DOESN'T the publics have room to complain about?

You're talking about rival private schools battling for athletes. I'm asking for specific proof that they poach athletes from public schools on a regular basis. Two completely different animals. And remember, I asked for specific proof. If I don't see specific proof, then it's nothing more than a lot of handwringing, fingerpointing, and whining.

Your ball...

[jeffcat-bucki]

JohnMcClane, on 14 December 2012 - 11:19 AM, said:

So you're telling us that LCC is made up of good catholic kids and the only reason they attend is for the catholic education. How many of the non-catholic LCC students every end up taking a RCIA class to join the church. My guess that is a low number. Are there other reasons to attend a religious school if you don't every plan to become a member of the church.

Quite a few do for the "education", although based on the number of LCC grads I witnessed through college, that doesn't say much considering half of them were either kicked out, arrested, or drank their lives away. That's not to say LCC's education isn't good, because with their "newer" wing they built and their AP college style environments, they have nice facilities and faculty, but they also don't have to release their academic achievement results and will instead try to bribe people into the notion that "90 something % of their students go on to a college education", but I'd love to see some follow up data on how many of them actually graduate from college. I saw one of their best and brightest math students(math award winner I suppose), drink himself in to the ground, delve in to chronic drug abuse, skip class, and then for a Biology paper, scan his own friend's bio paper and turned it in as his own work....with his friend's name still on the paper. Needless to say, OSU showed him the door in his 1st year at OSU and rightfully so.

Now before painting a ridiculously skewed image of that half of LCC(and a lot of privates for that matter) people, there is a very bright and intelligent half that does well, but I think the moral of the story is their "academics" are a bit overstated and you can get just as high quality of an education from Shawnee, Elida, Bath, and dare I even say Lima Senior. For the exceptional academic student, they can thrive in most any environment that is conducive to some degree of education. Outside of the international and abroad students at OSU, some of the best and brightest are not from your "super schools", but from just about anywhere and everywhere public and private. I have seen very little correlation with the excellent students and their high school backgrounds as it falls mostly on the household and student them self.

[paperboy]

Bigdogg79, on 14 December 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

Again one more time, It's not only about the kids you have at private schools that make a difference, it's the kids you don't have.

Unless you are talking about division changes, what difference would it make if my school DOESN"T have some extra kids that are troublemakers? Hell, sometimes those kids are the best football players anyway.

[jeffcat-bucki]

Wilco98, on 14 December 2012 - 11:35 AM, said:

You're talking about rival private schools battling for athletes. I'm asking for specific proof that they poach athletes from public schools on a regular basis. Two completely different animals. And remember, I asked for specific proof. If I don't see specific proof, then it's nothing more than a lot of handwringing, fingerpointing, and whining.

Your ball...

What? So you are acknowledging that they are openly admitting to essentially "recruiting" players away from each other, but the idea that they are taking students from public schools is such a far out idea because of that?

What proof can one have? The idea as a private(or some of the publics for that matter) is to not get caught doing it...that's the idea. Of course your burden of proof isn't going to exist, outside of the known transfers or benign moves by families to certain schools. I don't even want to make it sound like privates are the only ones that do it either. When every newborn baby at in Massillon gets a mini football when they are born by the Massillon Washington athletic boosters, what kind of precedent does that set, despite the fact that there are also neighboring schools and Perry and Tuslaw in the same city? Is there any evidence of any wrongdoing here? I mean the football isn't given by the Massillon coaches and the football is unmarked, so it must be A-OK then right? And I love how many people love to deny it, but people do go after the genetic pool in a Nazi-like manner if they think it will give them success at the private level. Sure, nobody can tell how some baby will turn out athletically...perhaps they will be a total bust, and maybe the boy(or girl for that matter) won't play sports at all, but if Chris Spielman, Curtis Enis, Robert Smith, etc. has a baby boy, you can take a wild guess who is salivating at the higher probability potential there. It's no coincidence that when you watch a lot of high school, collegiate, or NFL games, that you hear commentators have short segments, "Well this man's father, mother, cousin, uncle, etc....also was an outstanding athlete at...XXX....playing XXX".

I'm just waiting to see the results of Steffi Graf and Andre Agassi's children in tennis.

[jeffcat-bucki]

paperboy, on 14 December 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

Unless you are talking about division changes, what difference would it make if my school DOESN"T have some extra kids that are troublemakers? Hell, sometimes those kids are the best football players anyway.

Special Ed curriculum students.