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[Rd2Glory]

Mr Bearcat, on 07 December 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

If a Private school has an enterace exam(I believe LCC does) they are controlling enrollment plain and simple. Now you could argue why they control it,but that doesn't matter really, and could be hard to prove why anyways. Private School do Not have to accept everybody, but Public schools have to give every student a chance.

I don't know about other private schools, but LCC's entrance exam exists for placement purposes (ex. Honors English vs normal English classes). I've never heard of anyone failing or even the possibility that one could fail.

For the record, LCC does not have any athletic/academic/art/etc scholarships. Any tuition assistance is based on need only and that doesn't cover half of tuition.

[Mr Bearcat]

Rd2Glory, on 08 December 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

I don't know about other private schools, but LCC's entrance exam exists for placement purposes (ex. Honors English vs normal English classes). I've never heard of anyone failing or even the possibility that one could fail.

For the record, LCC does not have any athletic/academic/art/etc scholarships. Any tuition assistance is based on need only and that doesn't cover half of tuition.

My apology for the misconception.

[paperboy]

The Owl, on 07 December 2012 - 10:46 PM, said:

Can you tell me without any doubt that it is uncommon for 10-13 year old athletes to be steered towards private schools with good athletic programs?

Back at ya, Owl:

Can you tell me without any doubt that it is uncommon for 10-13 year old athletes to be steered towards private schools with good athletic programs?

[jeffcat-bucki]

paperboy, on 08 December 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

Back at ya, Owl:

Can you tell me without any doubt that it is uncommon for 10-13 year old athletes to be steered towards private schools with good athletic programs?

Youngstown private schools
Columbus Africentric/Harvest Prep and to a lesser degree Hartley/Ready. Columbus Academy isn't as bad.
Obviously Iggy, Ed's, X, Moeller, etc with the big schools.

There are publics that do it too if it's any consolation.
Glenville
Whitmer
Warren Harding

[Bigdogg79]

Rd2Glory, on 08 December 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

I don't know about other private schools, but LCC's entrance exam exists for placement purposes (ex. Honors English vs normal English classes). I've never heard of anyone failing or even the possibility that one could fail.

For the record, LCC does not have any athletic/academic/art/etc scholarships. Any tuition assistance is based on need only and that doesn't cover half of tuition.

Do you have any rules that would perclude a interested party to pay for someone's else tuition? Do you have any rules that would prohibit a booster from employing a parent of a prospective student to encourage enrolment at LCC? There is a million ways to scam the system. I personally know of situtitions where all this has happened in the past.

[XMAS]

Bigdogg79, on 09 December 2012 - 10:34 AM, said:

Do you have any rules that would perclude a interested party to pay for someone's else tuition? Do you have any rules that would prohibit a booster from employing a parent of a prospective student to encourage enrolment at LCC? There is a million ways to scam the system. I personally know of situtitions where all this has happened in the past.

Then you are part of the problem!

[brunowball]

Rd2Glory, on 08 December 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

For the record, LCC does not have any athletic/academic/art/etc scholarships. Any tuition assistance is based on need only and that doesn't cover half of tuition.

Do they have 'booster' scholarships, where say an individual with an interest in the school doing well athletically can just cover the cost for them?

Also, please define 'need' for everyone. Last I heard the voucher system defines need as a family that makes less than $95,000 per year. If that is needy, then almost everyone in Ohio qualifies.

[Bigdogg79]

XMAS, on 09 December 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

Then you are part of the problem!

Why? There are no rules against any of that and even if there was the OHSAA has no investigating arm.

[Rd2Glory]

brunowball, on 09 December 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

Do they have 'booster' scholarships, where say an individual with an interest in the school doing well athletically can just cover the cost for them?

Also, please define 'need' for everyone. Last I heard the voucher system defines need as a family that makes less than $95,000 per year. If that is needy, then almost everyone in Ohio qualifies.

Well I imagine if an individual wanted to pay for someone's tuition then there's nothing that could be done to stop that. But do you honestly think there's anyone willing to hand out $24,000 over 4 years so that some random kid can play on the basketball/football team? Anyone stupid enough to do that probably doesn't have an extra $24,000 laying around.

I'm talking about tuition assistance from the school, not the voucher system, which is a state run system. The voucher system is not need based, one just needs to have attended a "failing school" for a certain amount of time. The $95,000 you're referring to is a proposed change to the current voucher system that, as I understand it, is designed to prevent "Dr. Such-and-such" from sending their kid to a failing school for 12 weeks then switching them to a private school and taking a voucher. The $95,000 is the top end of a phaseout system (so someone making $90,000 would receiver a lot less for a voucher than someone making 30,000). I believe this number has been switch to around $70,000, but again these are just proposed changes and are not part of the current system in any way.

[LimaJock]

A few years ago a lawyer offered to pay the tuition of two brothers. Came right from the kids and their parents. Have no reason to doubt their word.

LJ

[Hound Dog]

LimaJock, on 09 December 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

A few years ago a lawyer offered to pay the tuition of two brothers. Came right from the kids and their parents. Have no reason to doubt their word.

LJ

That is funny!....lol

[Rd2Glory]

LimaJock, on 09 December 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

A few years ago a lawyer offered to pay the tuition of two brothers. Came right from the kids and their parents. Have no reason to doubt their word.

LJ

Well, you may not doubt their word, but I do doubt the word of an anonymous poster with a secondhand generic story providing no details.

Who were the boys? Who was the lawyer? When was this? Did the boys even play sports? What was their relationship to the lawyer? Quite a few holes in that story.

Edited by Rd2Glory, 10 December 2012 - 12:00 AM.

[Bigdogg79]

Rd2Glory, on 09 December 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

Well, you may not doubt their word, but I do doubt the word of an anonymous poster with a secondhand generic story providing no details.

Who were the boys? Who was the lawyer? When was this? Did the boys even play sports? What was their relationship to the lawyer? Quite a few holes in that story.

Public schools are required by law to provide open records of finance and other demographic information. Private schools are exempt from providing anything at all. Who is trying to hide what?

Edited by Bigdogg79, 10 December 2012 - 04:08 PM.

[Rd2Glory]

Bigdogg79, on 10 December 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

Public schools are required by law to provide open records of finance and other demographic information. Private schools are exempt from providing anything at all. Who is trying to hide what?

Public schools would never have a situation where an unrelated person is paying for a student's tuition because public schools are free in the first place. So how is that relevant in any way to what we're talking about?

Also, I never suggested that public schools are hiding anything. I just pointed out the stupidity in someone thinking that anyone cares enough about D5 high school sports to pay $24,000 so that "student Y" can play at LCC.

[Week 10 All-American]

Rd2Glory, on 10 December 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

Public schools would never have a situation where an unrelated person is paying for a student's tuition because public schools are free in the first place. So how is that relevant in any way to what we're talking about?

Also, I never suggested that public schools are hiding anything. I just pointed out the stupidity in someone thinking that anyone cares enough about D5 high school sports to pay $24,000 so that "student Y" can play at LCC.

I know nothing about anything (Jock Strap can attest to that one...) but is it seriously 24 LARGE to go to LCC?

And- if so- do you get a 'Catholic' discount if, in fact, you and your family are Catholic?

I have so many questions but I need to let those digest first.

[Rocketman]

The $24k is over 4 yrs

[Rd2Glory]

Week 10 All-American, on 10 December 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

I know nothing about anything (Jock Strap can attest to that one...) but is it seriously 24 LARGE to go to LCC?

And- if so- do you get a 'Catholic' discount if, in fact, you and your family are Catholic?

I have so many questions but I need to let those digest first.

It's a little under $6,000/year plus required fundraisers (through the various fundraisers, you're supposed to raise $400 (I think) each year. Anything under $400 you have to make up out of your own pocket). So about $24,000 over 4 years.

St. Charles, St. Gerards, St. Johns (Lima), and St. Rose have scholarships (not sure on the amount each year) for families who are contributing members of the parish. (Kids have to sign in each week at church to show that they're actually participating, families have to be involved, etc. in order to receive the scholarship). No discount just for being Catholic though.

[Week 10 All-American]

Rd2Glory, on 10 December 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

It's a little under $6,000/year plus required fundraisers (through the various fundraisers, you're supposed to raise $400 (I think) each year. Anything under $400 you have to make up out of your own pocket). So about $24,000 over 4 years.

St. Charles, St. Gerards, St. Johns (Lima), and St. Rose have scholarships (not sure on the amount each year) for families who are contributing members of the parish. (Kids have to sign in each week at church to show that they're actually participating, families have to be involved, etc. in order to receive the scholarship). No discount just for being Catholic though.

Interesting- would not have thought it would be that much.

So- Catholics who attend Mass regularly are more eligible for scholarships than those that do not attend on a regular basis?

[Rd2Glory]

Week 10 All-American, on 10 December 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

Interesting- would not have thought it would be that much.

So- Catholics who attend Mass regularly are more eligible for scholarships than those that do not attend on a regular basis?

Yes, It's grown a lot over the last decade. LCC and other small private schools are all struggling for money, which is why the "controlling enrollment" accusations are so absurd.

The attendance at mass thing is only for the student. In order to receive the scholarship, the family has to be active parishoners. However, if a family is active, but the student never shows up to church, he/she won't get the scholarship (sort of a controversial rule that was implemented a few years ago). I'm pretty sure the "rules" are the same for all four parishes, but I suppose they're subject to change whenever the pastor decides. Also, while all part of the same "Catholic community," these scholarships are solely through the Catholic Parishes and have nothing to do with financing from LCC. There is no discount/scholarship from LCC for being Catholic.

Edited by Rd2Glory, 10 December 2012 - 07:15 PM.

[Hound Dog]

Rd2Glory, on 09 December 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

Well, you may not doubt their word, but I do doubt the word of an anonymous poster with a secondhand generic story providing no details.

Who were the boys? Who was the lawyer? When was this? Did the boys even play sports? What was their relationship to the lawyer? Quite a few holes in that story.

Get a clue Rd2Glory......

Matt Huffman. Had 2 sons at LCC. He's a lawyer. Yes they play sports.

I think you have been taken by LJ.