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[jeffcat-bucki]

Rd2Glory, on 01 November 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

This is probably true. But doesn't it make you a little nervous that EVERYONE outside of NWC fans thinks it was a bad move for the NWC?

No.

[jeffcat-bucki]

flounder, on 01 November 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

Kennedy......

Also, have you noticed how much stronger the MAC has gotten over the years by adding quality teams to go along with quality teams.....it is just my point because I think eventually the NWC could have been the same if they would have kept LCC.....just my thoughts....as a observer on the outside looking in, it really doesn't matter much to me!!!!!!!!!!

Obviously not, considering teams in the NWC have been worse since LCC has been in the conference. You use to have Bluffton, DJ, and Grove making the playoffs almost annually. Now a lot of that has to do with them being in R18, but only Ada and Crestview really have a legitimate chance of making the playoffs now and only Ada is this year. Do I think that has a direct correlation to LCC?...no, but LCC definitely doesn't do a thing to improve these teams and that's fairly obvious.

[jeffcat-bucki]

Rd2Glory, on 01 November 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

I think LCC would be a good fit in the MAC, there's just not any room for them in the conference at the moment.

Personally, I'd like to see both LCC and Lima Senior join the WBL, but as they're not looking to expand, it doesn't seem likely.

If enrollment dropped enough at Senior, I could very easily see them joining the WBL, especially with the funding issues.

[TheGreatBambino]

Kennedy, on 01 November 2012 - 12:43 AM, said:

Decker 1,500
Washington 900
There's no need to defend your boy. The running back by committe excuse is as old as the game. If washington was such a stud don't you think cooper would get him 90% of the carries? And missing 2 games, ok i can buy that but even if he would have played in those games he wouldn't have touched Decker's numbers.
It's obvious everyone that voted on it thought Decker was better. But what do they know.

he is a stud but LCC has more top athletes like West, Pitts, and Rogers, Huffman, Lasenby, and Stolly who need carries.

[jeffcat-bucki]

flounder, on 01 November 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

Kennedy......

Also, have you noticed how much stronger the MAC has gotten over the years by adding quality teams to go along with quality teams.....it is just my point because I think eventually the NWC could have been the same if they would have kept LCC.....just my thoughts....as a observer on the outside looking in, it really doesn't matter much to me!!!!!!!!!!

By adding quality teams? The only two that were added were Versailles and Anna...for football only mind you. The rest have been in the MAC since it started. Are you even old enough to remember DSJ football when they were added into the MAC? Granted, basketball was the name of the game back then, but adding a "quality" team wasn't what they had in mind when they added DSJ back in the early 80s.

[TheFan]

Rd2Glory, on 01 November 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

Honestly, I have not seen or heard any non-NWC fans say that the NWC is better off without LCC, and you two (thefan and hound dog) NWC fans telling me I'm wrong doesn't do much to change that opinion. If there are any non-NWC fans reading this that think the NWC will be better off without LCC, please speak up and tell us why!

"Everyone outside the NWC" is ALOT of folks.... but since you say so........ it has to be true!

[Kennedy]

TheGreatBambino, on 01 November 2012 - 10:47 PM, said:

he is a stud but LCC has more top athletes like West, Pitts, and Rogers, Huffman, Lasenby, and Stolly who need carries.

More excuses. If he was head and shoulders above the rest like you claim, no one else would "need" carries.

[osufan512]

Kennedy, on 01 November 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

More excuses. If he was head and shoulders above the rest like you claim, no one else would "need" carries.

If this is your opinion then you clearly are clueless on LCCs offensive philosophy. They run motion on every play with the threat that the motion man will have the ball pitched to him or handed to him running full speed at the snap of the ball using the quickness and athleticism that they possess. Off of that threat is the inside power run game and the passing attack to keep teams from keying outside every play. Washington is the HB and is used in the inside run game. Notice I said earlier LCC wants to get the ball outside more than up inside. This means Washingtons plays are all the second option to what they really want to do with the ball. So, in order for the offense to work the way it is supposed to, yes other kids need to carry the ball. It's not a 1980s I-form offense where the TB gets 30 carries a game. I bet if you looked at the stats he probably averaged 10-13 carries per game. They run about 50-55 plays in a game. Meaning he can only account for around 20% of their offense. Do some homework on teams play style and philosophy before you come on here and say that if he was that good he would be the only one needing carries.

[dogbone21]

osufan512, on 02 November 2012 - 06:27 AM, said:

If this is your opinion then you clearly are clueless on LCCs offensive philosophy. They run motion on every play with the threat that the motion man will have the ball pitched to him or handed to him running full speed at the snap of the ball using the quickness and athleticism that they possess. Off of that threat is the inside power run game and the passing attack to keep teams from keying outside every play. Washington is the HB and is used in the inside run game. Notice I said earlier LCC wants to get the ball outside more than up inside. This means Washingtons plays are all the second option to what they really want to do with the ball. So, in order for the offense to work the way it is supposed to, yes other kids need to carry the ball. It's not a 1980s I-form offense where the TB gets 30 carries a game. I bet if you looked at the stats he probably averaged 10-13 carries per game. They run about 50-55 plays in a game. Meaning he can only account for around 20% of their offense. Do some homework on teams play style and philosophy before you come on here and say that if he was that good he would be the only one needing carries.

Just fyi Decker averaged 18.2 carries per game. still had 1556 yrds. I don't those are to shabby of #'s for any back.

[osufan512]

I am done arguing who is the better back at this point. I will however make the point that is Washington would have averaged 18 carries a game and played 10 games rather than 8 he would have been close to Deckers numbers. I give Decker a lot of credit though, he brought a legitimacy to the Ada running game that they haven't had in previous seasons.

[JohnMcClane]

osufan512, on 02 November 2012 - 08:23 AM, said:

I am done arguing who is the better back at this point. I will however make the point that is Washington would have averaged 18 carries a game and played 10 games rather than 8 he would have been close to Deckers numbers. I give Decker a lot of credit though, he brought a legitimacy to the Ada running game that they haven't had in previous seasons.

Let me get this straight. You're using the shouda wouda couda agrument for Washington. While Decker did it. Good Luck with that.

[TheFan]

Look at it this way... IF Decker was playing for LCC this year, then LCC would be a "legitimate" threat in this years playoffs! Heck, they would probably get out of their region!?!?!!?

[osufan512]

TheFan, on 02 November 2012 - 08:45 AM, said:

Look at it this way... IF Decker was playing for LCC this year, then LCC would be a "legitimate" threat in this years playoffs! Heck, they would probably get out of their region!?!?!!?

You act like getting out of their region is an easy task. Region 18 is considered by many to be one of the toughest regions in the state each year.

[Bigdogg79]

No way in HE double toothpick LCC or Lima Senior ever get in the WBL or the MAC under any circumstance.

[osufan512]

JohnMcClane, on 02 November 2012 - 08:28 AM, said:

Let me get this straight. You're using the shouda wouda couda agrument for Washington. While Decker did it. Good Luck with that.

Shoulda woulda coulda argument? Isn't that what the NWC used when deciding they should kick LCC out? Someone said "hey we coulda won the league title that year if it wasn't for LCC"? Then they came to the conclusion that they should kick them out because they can't compete.

[osufan512]

Bigdogg79, on 02 November 2012 - 09:11 AM, said:

No way in HE double toothpick LCC or Lima Senior ever get in the WBL or the MAC under any circumstance.

I wouldn't say under ANY circumstance. I think LSH has a better chance than LCC though because of school size.

[JohnMcClane]

osufan512, on 02 November 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

Shoulda woulda coulda argument? Isn't that what the NWC used when deciding they should kick LCC out? Someone said "hey we coulda won the league title that year if it wasn't for LCC"? Then they came to the conclusion that they should kick them out because they can't compete.

Sorry but you are wrong again. LSCC was asked to leave the NWC because they are a bunch of arrogant arses. If you need proof look at the title of this topic.

[osufan512]

JohnMcClane, on 02 November 2012 - 09:33 AM, said:

Sorry but you are wrong again. LSCC was asked to leave the NWC because they are a bunch of arrogant arses. If you need proof look at the title of this topic.

Actually LCC was asked to leave the league because they felt like "they couldn't compete", "we're competing for second place" and LCC isn't a fit.

Again with the LSCC crap. Where do you get this at again? You do realize more kids live in the Shawnee, Elida, and Bath districts and attend LCC than live in Lima City Schools district.

[Rd2Glory]

TheFan, on 01 November 2012 - 10:53 PM, said:

"Everyone outside the NWC" is ALOT of folks.... but since you say so........ it has to be true!

Well, so far, no non-NWC fan has come on here and said they felt the NWC will be better off without LCC.

As you said, "everyone outside of the NWC is A LOT of folks"... not one of them has said otherwise to my knowledge.

[AnonymousFootballPlayer3]

I personally feel that the NWC will have a more leveled playing field without LCC. LCC needs to join a conference in which they can play better teams and get tested more than the NWC will do. Being kicked out of the NWC will benifit LCC in the long run in my opinion.