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[jeffcat-bucki]

clutch, on 20 June 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

Don't lie, you don't have friends from LCC. And your description of the LCC bleachers a decade ago sounds very similar to the current situation at Jefferson.

You are living a delusion if you don't remember those days before Cooper came there and I'm sure any of the NWC or MAC teams that played LCC during that time period can routinely remember those days. Then again, maybe you wouldn't know, since like most, you weren't at those games.

I'm very critical of DJ's fan base when they are low in numbers and they do tend to be during struggling times, but at least I can look back in comparison to some of the LCC crowds I saw when I attended a few of their games and realize that it pales in comparison to how bad it was for LCC. I think the ONLY school I saw that had a more dwindling fan base at the at time was Lima Perry in football. The game LCC played Ft. Recovery(at Lima Stadium mind you), Ft. Recovery had almost twice as many fans as LCC did. I can't even begin to imagine what the crowds looked like when LCC played St. Henry or Coldwater during that time period when it was just a forgone conclusion LCC was going to take a 70-0 beating. The only game you saw LCC fans attend was the annual LCC/Elida game when both schools were bad at football and it mainly consisted of a rivalry between student bodies. That generated a good crowd...the rest of the games...quite frankly...were mind bogglingly pathetic.

[jeffcat-bucki]

whatdoiknow, on 20 June 2012 - 11:54 AM, said:

When did delphos get a wendy's? You would also have to bring your own playing cards. No way that school system can afford a deck of cards.

I have to give the handful of LCC students at the game credit. That had a nice layout of cards and nice poker chips with the case to boot. They must have borrowed them from somebody's parents. I got a great crack out of the "dealer" wearing a casino visor and bickering amongst the players.

[clutch]

jeffcat-bucki, on 21 June 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:

You are living a delusion if you don't remember those days before Cooper came there and I'm sure any of the NWC or MAC teams that played LCC during that time period can routinely remember those days. Then again, maybe you wouldn't know, since like most, you weren't at those games.

I'm very critical of DJ's fan base when they are low in numbers and they do tend to be during struggling times, but at least I can look back in comparison to some of the LCC crowds I saw when I attended a few of their games and realize that it pales in comparison to how bad it was for LCC. I think the ONLY school I saw that had a more dwindling fan base at the at time was Lima Perry in football. The game LCC played Ft. Recovery(at Lima Stadium mind you), Ft. Recovery had almost twice as many fans as LCC did. I can't even begin to imagine what the crowds looked like when LCC played St. Henry or Coldwater during that time period when it was just a forgone conclusion LCC was going to take a 70-0 beating. The only game you saw LCC fans attend was the annual LCC/Elida game when both schools were bad at football and it mainly consisted of a rivalry between student bodies. That generated a good crowd...the rest of the games...quite frankly...were mind bogglingly pathetic.

For one, I never said it didn't happen....I just said it sounds a lot like the current situation at Jefferson. How is this even relevant? Why go back a decade? Why don't we go back 20 and 30 years then?

Also, I was on the field during those losing seasons and didn't pay too much attention to the crowds.

[jeffcat-bucki]

clutch, on 21 June 2012 - 07:29 AM, said:

For one, I never said it didn't happen....I just said it sounds a lot like the current situation at Jefferson. How is this even relevant? Why go back a decade? Why don't we go back 20 and 30 years then?

Also, I was on the field during those losing seasons and didn't pay too much attention to the crowds.

You can easily go back 20 years and see the same trend. When was the last time they had crowds?...maybe the early 80s? I know LCC had some quality teams back in the mid 70s?

Point being, to claim LCC has such a "loyal following", yet I had the personal experience of seeing that numerous times before Cooper came around over quite a long period of time....seems like rather wishful thinking. I heard many of the local Lima/Shawnee business owners talk about basketball and very little about football outside of OSU. If it was pertaining to LCC football, it would subtly be discussed in some backhanded manner, and you would never see those people caught dead actually attending games. I think basketball can and will probably always have a more loyal following at LCC, and the football has come a long way in gaining a following. However, if the program nosedived for a few years and reverted back to it's old self, I wouldn't have a shadow of a doubt it would be right back where it was before with that "loyal following".

[clutch]

jeffcat-bucki, on 21 June 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

You can easily go back 20 years and see the same trend. When was the last time they had crowds?...maybe the early 80s? I know LCC had some quality teams back in the mid 70s?

Point being, to claim LCC has such a "loyal following", yet I had the personal experience of seeing that numerous times before Cooper came around over quite a long period of time....seems like rather wishful thinking. I heard many of the local Lima/Shawnee business owners talk about basketball and very little about football outside of OSU. If it was pertaining to LCC football, it would subtly be discussed in some backhanded manner, and you would never see those people caught dead actually attending games. I think basketball can and will probably always have a more loyal following at LCC, and the football has come a long way in gaining a following. However, if the program nosedived for a few years and reverted back to it's old self, I wouldn't have a shadow of a doubt it would be right back where it was before with that "loyal following".

Lol how the hell would you know? Judging by most of your posts over the years, I would assume you and I are pretty similar in age which would make you pretty young then.

That said, I couldn't care less lol.

[Rd2Glory]

jeffcat-bucki, on 21 June 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

You can easily go back 20 years and see the same trend. When was the last time they had crowds?...maybe the early 80s? I know LCC had some quality teams back in the mid 70s?

Point being, to claim LCC has such a "loyal following", yet I had the personal experience of seeing that numerous times before Cooper came around over quite a long period of time....seems like rather wishful thinking. I heard many of the local Lima/Shawnee business owners talk about basketball and very little about football outside of OSU. If it was pertaining to LCC football, it would subtly be discussed in some backhanded manner, and you would never see those people caught dead actually attending games. I think basketball can and will probably always have a more loyal following at LCC, and the football has come a long way in gaining a following. However, if the program nosedived for a few years and reverted back to it's old self, I wouldn't have a shadow of a doubt it would be right back where it was before with that "loyal following".

You can easily go back 20 years and see the same trend? You can't be older than 27 or 28, and you're not from LCC (much less Lima). There's a pretty good chance you have very little idea about the "trend of LCC's crowd size" over the last 20 years.

Also, you were probably about 20 when LCC started being good, so for you to say that prior to 2005 Lima business owners only talked about OSU football and made fun of LCC for "quite a long period of time" is just absurd. (Unless you were sitting in the barbershop and diner talking with all the older guys when you were 9).

Finally, LCC went undefeated in 89 and really didn't start being kicked around regularly until about the mid 90's. They were really good in the 70's, good in the 80s and early 90s, bad for about 12-13 years, and good at the moment.

For you to sit here and spout off about how LCC's crowds have acted throughout the course of the school's history as a 20-something-year-old really speaks to your ignorance as well as arrogance.

I'm young as well so I don't really know either. My point isn't to say that you're wrong, it's to say that you have no idea.

Edited by Rd2Glory, 21 June 2012 - 02:07 PM.

[clutch]

Rd2Glory, on 21 June 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

You can easily go back 20 years and see the same trend? You can't be older than 27 or 28, and you're not from LCC (much less Lima). There's a pretty good chance you have very little idea about the "trend of LCC's crowd size" over the last 20 years.

Also, you were probably about 20 when LCC started being good, so for you to say that prior to 2005 Lima business owners only talked about OSU football and made fun of LCC for "quite a long period of time" is just absurd. (Unless you were sitting in the barbershop and diner talking with all the older guys when you were 9).

Finally, LCC went undefeated in 89 and really didn't start being kicked around regularly until about the mid 90's. They were really good in the 70's, good in the 80s and early 90s, bad for about 12-13 years, and good at the moment.

For you to sit here and spout off about how LCC's crowds have acted throughout the course of the school's history as a 20-something-year-old really speaks to your ignorance as well as arrogance.

I'm young as well so I don't really know either. My point isn't to say that you're wrong, it's to say that you have no idea.

Lol (slow clap....)

[jeffcat-bucki]

clutch, on 21 June 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

Lol how the hell would you know? Judging by most of your posts over the years, I would assume you and I are pretty similar in age which would make you pretty young then.

That said, I couldn't care less lol.

Personally...I'm just proud you are one of the few people that actually say "I couldn't care less" in the correct manner.

[jeffcat-bucki]

Rd2Glory, on 21 June 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

You can easily go back 20 years and see the same trend? You can't be older than 27 or 28, and you're not from LCC (much less Lima). There's a pretty good chance you have very little idea about the "trend of LCC's crowd size" over the last 20 years.

Also, you were probably about 20 when LCC started being good, so for you to say that prior to 2005 Lima business owners only talked about OSU football and made fun of LCC for "quite a long period of time" is just absurd. (Unless you were sitting in the barbershop and diner talking with all the older guys when you were 9).

Finally, LCC went undefeated in 89 and really didn't start being kicked around regularly until about the mid 90's. They were really good in the 70's, good in the 80s and early 90s, bad for about 12-13 years, and good at the moment.

For you to sit here and spout off about how LCC's crowds have acted throughout the course of the school's history as a 20-something-year-old really speaks to your ignorance as well as arrogance.

I'm young as well so I don't really know either. My point isn't to say that you're wrong, it's to say that you have no idea.

Well my mistake then. I am familiar with some of the crowds in the later years and was around the LCC community in the early 90s from there on....20 years ago. It was never much different, which was my point. My mistake in not remembering LCC's 80s time period, of which I have little to no clue about. I remember they had some legitimate teams in the mid 70s. Also, I wouldn't say the business owners "made fun of" the team necessarily, more so than the football team just didn't exist to that community and it was all about basketball. Not exactly "loyal". Mainly, I just got a crack out of how much talk is being thrown out there about how loyal the football following is, yet my personal knowledge from the 90s on, just makes me laugh pretty hard inside remembering the scene of LCC football then.

[caldwell]

How do you explain all of the empty seats at the LCC home basketball games? It seems that the loyal fans show up at tournament time??

[jawbreaker]

Caldwell, it is very simple. They start winning games and people show up for tournaments. It happens everywhere.


Also, who likes watching a team lose all the time? I watch a lot of losses, not that I enjoy it, but I don't expect others to sit there and watch it.

[jeffcat-bucki]

caldwell, on 22 June 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

How do you explain all of the empty seats at the LCC home basketball games? It seems that the loyal fans show up at tournament time??

Probably because there isn't enough seats in LCC's gym and nobody fights for a seat. I've always been rather amazed how they built that gym the way they did and then gave it so little seating...especially for what at that time was a "basketball school".

[jeffcat-bucki]

jawbreaker, on 22 June 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

Caldwell, it is very simple. They start winning games and people show up for tournaments. It happens everywhere.


Also, who likes watching a team lose all the time? I watch a lot of losses, not that I enjoy it, but I don't expect others to sit there and watch it.

I expect crowds to be smaller, but to go out and claim how loyal a fanbase is when you have less than 2 dozen people at a football game(one of the "competitive" ones at that) and half of those people are just playing poker and deliberating over where to leave and get fast food at halftime before splitting for the nearest house party...I really have a hard time believing the "loyalty" sentiment.

[clutch]

jeffcat-bucki, on 22 June 2012 - 07:02 PM, said:

I expect crowds to be smaller, but to go out and claim how loyal a fanbase is when you have less than 2 dozen people at a football game(one of the "competitive" ones at that) and half of those people are just playing poker and deliberating over where to leave and get fast food at halftime before splitting for the nearest house party...I really have a hard time believing the "loyalty" sentiment.

Lol less then 2 dozen people? Stop it! Oh wait...was this the game 10 years ago that you attended as a teenager with all of the local businessmen?

[jeffcat-bucki]

clutch, on 22 June 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

Lol less then 2 dozen people? Stop it! Oh wait...was this the game 10 years ago that you attended as a teenager with all of the local businessmen?

I would say it was about 10 years ago with some LCC alumni that I persuaded to go to a football game, because I was bored while visiting Lima and curious as to if they could beat Ft. Recovery on not. I think they did win the game in a close one, but then again, I couldn't convince them to stay there past the 3rd qtr, so who knows.

[Rd2Glory]

jeffcat-bucki, on 23 June 2012 - 06:24 AM, said:

I would say it was about 10 years ago with some LCC alumni that I persuaded to go to a football game, because I was bored while visiting Lima and curious as to if they could beat Ft. Recovery on not. I think they did win the game in a close one, but then again, I couldn't convince them to stay there past the 3rd qtr, so who knows.

Stop lying lol. You're not convincing anyone that there was ever less than 2 dozen people at any football game. I know 10 years ago I was at every LCC game and that was never the case. The crowds are bigger on a week to week basis now, which is a result of winning and people wanting to watch games where we're not getting lit up every week - that will happen anywhere from Jefferson games to Indianapolis Colts games.

[Bearcat14]

is it just me or has the last 3 or more pages been nothing more than something about LCC?

[clutch]

Bearcat14, on 24 June 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:

is it just me or has the last 3 or more pages been nothing more than something about LCC?

And you just continued the trend....

[ADog]

Any NWC fans know their schools 7 on 7 tourny's they plan on particapating in? If so dates/location/times?

[lima ball]

A note on LCC in the mid to late 90's, the teams were around .500 (5-5, 4-6, 6-4 with at least one 8-2 season) from 2000-2004 LCC had some not to pretty years, but I still think they were 3-7 or 4-6 so I wouldn't say they were horrible, just ran into some very good teams (St Henry, Coldwater). Many of those .500 seasons would get you to 3rd or 4th in the NWC.

Finally, LCC will be pretty good over the next decade with "home grown" talent!!!