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[falconfan84]

This is really a joke how so many people in the BVC feel that L-B is such a huge school. L-B is no bigger than Riverdale used to be when we had larger class sizes, and we were by no means the largest school in our conference. When one conference has 4 of the 20 smallest football-playing schools in the state, that ought to tell you something. When people say that it is time for the BVC to get bigger...what other direction can it go? It can't get smaller...unless you get the PCL schools to join. That pretty much rules out football, though. It's time to step into the 21st century and realize just how small the entire conference is...including Liberty-Benton. There are AT LEAST 479 schools bigger than L-B in Ohio. They are in the smallest 1/3 of all football-playing schools.

If a couple of schools districts in the BVC could get past their pride, there would be a decent-sized school that not only could offer the kids a much better selection of curriculum, but would probably put together some pretty good athletic teams. Maybe then, we wouldn't see the perpetual monopoly on the all-sports trophy that L-B has put together. Add schools like Bluffton, Ada, Riverdale, and Carey and we'd see the wealth spread a bit more than it is. Even then, with all of these "monstrously" sized schools, the league would be tiny. I'm not knocking school sizes...I'd much rather be part of a small school district than a D1 school.

If everybody wants the BVC to turn into the NWCC or the TAAC, then go ahead and chase L-B away. Otherwise, man-up and take the challenge that they offer. Work harder, get kids off of their duffs, and make your team into something more competitive. There will come a day when we see coaches leave L-B and the talent level not be as high. Nothing ever lasts forever.

[DirtyPBear76]

I hate to say it but the BVC nearly year in and year out hold their own with the likes of DSJ and ML. Also I don't think everyone in Arlington wants LB out. To many questions to just say sure lets roll with expansion. Need to clarify things before such a big jump. . . . . . . Also about the league folding. . . . . The league (in football) was good before LB ever was so don't act like they're the saving grace to the league. Not knocking them at all just saying.

[dw629]

DirtyPBear76, on 08 May 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

I hate to say it but the BVC nearly year in and year out hold their own with the likes of DSJ and ML. Also I don't think everyone in Arlington wants LB out. To many questions to just say sure lets roll with expansion. Need to clarify things before such a big jump. . . . . . . Also about the league folding. . . . . The league (in football) was good before LB ever was so don't act like they're the saving grace to the league. Not knocking them at all just saying.

I agree but how bad would the league have been the past 7 -8 years without them. Just like the league would've been horrible the decade before that without H-N and now hopefully it is Leipsic's turn to make the league proud like I feel they have the last few seasons.

[DirtyPBear76]

dw629, on 09 May 2012 - 06:53 AM, said:

I agree but how bad would the league have been the past 7 -8 years without them. Just like the league would've been horrible the decade before that without H-N and now hopefully it is Leipsic's turn to make the league proud like I feel they have the last few seasons.

Totally agree with you there (DW). Every dog has its day. As I reviewed the records of the BVC since it started I believe every school has had their time at the top except for Vanlue and Arcadia, even though they posted a few years with some good records. Everything comes in cycles. Teams will have athletes/coaches and then they will have down times. Its kind of like the economy. After every great time comes a down time, just some down times are a lot worse than others.

[Buckshot]

When was the last time the BVC had so many teams on the edge of fielding a fielding team. The past 6 or 7 years Vanlue has had any where from 15-18 kids. Now you have H-N that has fallen into the teens. C-R numbers are in the mid 20's. Arcadia graduated a class of 18 which accounted for half of last years team.. Expansion is only a temporary fix. I agree that everything comes in cycles for most leagues, but the BVC is different because of the low numbers and lack of interest. That is why I think the time has come for several of the BVC schools, not just LB, to pursue other options in their best interest.

[reddevils]

95 Z Out, on 09 May 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:

Maybe there is another option to consider - consolidation. Some of the news coming out of Columbus indicates that politicians are starting to think about it. Perhaps schools should be proactive and find suitable consolidation partners before the state comes in and screws it up. Better to choose your own friends than to have someone else choose them for you.

The Arcadia/Vanlue talk has gone on for years. Time to fish or cut bait.

Cory-Rawson and Arlington are quite similar and have lots of relatives in the two school districts. Maybe South Hancock High School should become a reality. Arlington also has a possible natural partner with Riverdale. C-R doesn't really have another natural option.

Hardin Northern could look to Ada or Riverdale as a possible consolidation partner.

Van Buren, McComb, Leipsic and LB are probably big enough to not warrant consolidation talk. That leaves PG. I don't have a reasonable suggestion for them.

As an aside, the PCL and MAL could also be candidates for consolidation discussions. A few of the NWC schools might also want to think about this. If another round of consolidations takes place like in the 50's and 60's, the area high school sports landscape would see drastic changes.

I think that Arlington, Cory Rawson, and Leipsic are almost the same in size.

[roarintiger1]

95ZOut, Consolidation should've been made mandatory before the state doled out any $$$$$ for these new school buildings......This now would be closing the barn door after the cows got out.
FWIW, P-G could consolidate with Grove.....C-R could always consolidate with L-B....

[Muahahaha]

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Maybe there is another option to consider - consolidation. Some of the news coming out of Columbus indicates that politicians are starting to think about it. Perhaps schools should be proactive and find suitable consolidation partners before the state comes in and screws it up. Better to choose your own friends than to have someone else choose them for you.

This consolidation is not what everyone thinks it is. It is not about combing schools and communities, it simply refers to consolidating services offered. The schools would still be in tack, but Special Ed services might be run through the other school for example.

Edited by Muahahaha, 09 May 2012 - 11:38 AM.

[HH75]

You guys are on the right track now but you don't have the numbers right. It shouldn't be two schools here and there, in Hancock Co. it should be.... Findlay city schools(as is) and one school in VB called "North" and one in Arlington called (south). Split it so it is as even as possible and move on. If you live in side Hancock Co you go to one of those schools or you can open enroll on your own outside the county.

As far as just services.... it's just the first step...its only a matter of time! Like 95z said better to pick your friends than have someone else do it for you!

Its coming ...just a matter of time!

[HH75]

Although the thought of a Arlington /Cory Rawson merge does have a nice ring to it!

"And now introducing your 2015 CORLINGTON HORNY DEVILS!!!"

[slice slice baby]

HH75, on 09 May 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

Although the thought of a Arlington /Cory Rawson merge does have a nice ring to it!

"And now introducing your 2015 CORLINGTON HORNY DEVILS!!!"

"You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day"

[davidson33]

DirtyPBear76, on 08 May 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

I hate to say it but the BVC nearly year in and year out hold their own with the likes of DSJ and ML. Also I don't think everyone in Arlington wants LB out. To many questions to just say sure lets roll with expansion. Need to clarify things before such a big jump. . . . . . . Also about the league folding. . . . . The league (in football) was good before LB ever was so don't act like they're the saving grace to the league. Not knocking them at all just saying.

Uh...clarify what things? Isn't that what the preliminary information packet was about? And then the formal presentation packets with reams of information.

What more is there to "clarify"? Just curious. If there IS anything to "clarify", it is on the end of the BVC schools themselves. Seems to me that the BVC is at one of those crossroads moments.

Sorry PB, but I gotta agree with the others on here that if there is ever a time, this is it.

Especially in a league that apparently may only have FIVE JV football squads this season. Wow.

[bob22]

C-R could (should) be dissolved and its kids split geographically between Arl, LB, and Bluffton with a tiny amount sent to PG and Ada.

Vancadia accomplishes nothing. Send most of the Vanlue kids to Carey and merge Arcadia with Van Buren.

[cropduster]

Breaking news: If expansion is voted down it is believed that L-B will take 4 other BVC members and form a new league leaving HN, PG, CR, Arcadia, and Vanlue, possibly Arlington in the BVC, and any other school that voted against expanding the league.

[WebFire]

Is this something those other 4 schools are in agreement with?

[DirtyPBear76]

"JUST LET ME SEE THE CARFAX."

No not all the questions were answered between the BVC schools. What about league awards? Two divisions or one big one? Would you have cross-over games if you have two divisions? What schools would end up where? If one division, how would you determine who plays who year-to-year? I could keep going with more questions. Again, not opposed of it but I know it is more difficult than just saying sure lets go without taking a good look at things. I am a person who likes to shop around. I usually won't buy something I see right away. I like to test drive a car before I buy it. I like to look at reviews before I buy something. I want the best deal. I don't think the league has answered all the uncertain questions out there and I believe Arlington wants more answers before committing. Now as far as Arcadia and Vanlue go, I believe they are saying "NO" because they know this is the beginning of pushing them out of the conference.

[Muahahaha]

If LB, VB, Leipsic, and McComb leave and form a new league, they should invite, Bluffton, Ada, Kenton, Hopewell-Louden, Riverdale, and Tiffin Calvert. This would be a nice 10 team league. They could call it the Findlay Area Conference/League. (FAC)

[polkhigh33]

I don't think the thought of several BVC schools breaking away from those not in favor of expansion is a recent development...in fact, someone in the know mentioned a scenario to me back in December...I wrote it off at the time, but now it's starting to make a bit more sense.

I also get the sense that at least two schools that have "committed" elsewhere are indeed still in play for the right scenario.

May should be an interesting month.

[dhsdawg06]

I realize that Kenton isn't good at most of the sports the WBL offers, and it's a long trip for a lot of schools.......but they would gain nothing by joining the league proposed above. Even with the new 7 division setup, Kenton will STILL be a division 4 football school. Why exactly would they jump to a league full of mostly D6 and 7 schools when they have no problems making the playoffs where they are now?

And don't give me this "Mauk is gone so they won't be good in football anymore" crap. They've been good for 20 years now, and only 8 of those had a Mauk at QB. They'll at least comnpetitive for the next few years.