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[Dman]

I feel 180 degrees paperboy. I applaud the coach for having the courage to speak up.

It is the superintendents resposibility to set aside personal differences to assure the kids have the best staff possible. In this case the supeintendent let his ego run a known sucess.

That is incompetence. It should be called out.

[PostPlayer]

ADog, on 24 March 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

^^^^^^ link to article....and yes..this does say a lot. Maybe parents there need to diluge the school board again in support of the coach

http://sportsbuzzohi...-at-Vanlue.aspx

Wow - I bet Williman and Vermillion loved that reference in the article...

However, I feel for the guy. He has had a very good run, but I am not close to this at all so will reserve judgement. Tough to get booted after such a good record, particularly with the sectional tourney draw they got. Could have happened to anyone I guess in that scenario.

Best of luck to Coach K - I am sure he will land somewhere.

[rallyinthe9th]

I don't those comments made either Williman or Vermillion look bad. If he really got fired for performance, that is such a complete joke. They have a very good record over the past 5 years. That is not coincidence. They have had some talent, but coaches develop that talent. I have seen many talented eighth grade kids go to schools that don't develop talent and never improve. Kids must be drilled and coached and from all accounts, this coach did that.

I can honestly say I don't think I have ever heard of a coach going 17-4 getting fired for not performing. I understand there was an early tournament loss, but that happens sometimes. Vanlue is a little, little school and from what I was told had some holes in the team. Good programs like Ada can sometimes take advantage of that. This is probably the most head scratching firing I have ever seen.

[Dman]

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I can honestly say I don't think I have ever heard of a coach going 17-4 getting fired for not performing.

That is the point. He was not fired for performance. He was fired because of a personality conflict. The superintendent and school board are ideally of sound temperament so as to tolerate personality differences that are of benefit to the school. Apparently, Vanlue's superintendent and their suckling school-board do not possess this trait. As such, we have seen the last 17-4 Vanlue team for some time.

It is hard enough for a coach to succeed in today's environment. So many parents and fans can easily become counterproductive. It is too bad that at Vanlue the superintendent, school board, etc have proven counterproductive too.

Only an idiot takes that job to work for those folks!

[tfloangel]

PostPlayer, on 22 March 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

after watching Berlin Hiland beat us, I am now on board for HS recruiting to win championships . Their top two players were transfers after sophomore year, and it didn't hurt they are 6'5" and 6'7" and can play. The 6'5" kid is going to UF.

As for the comment about Arlington being down next year, you apparently have not watched us play this year. I suspect another big year is coming.

I'm not going to get involved in your debate - but this is inaccurate. The only player who transferred in was #23 Bonifant. Every other of the 7 remaining seniors have played together since grade 3. Just FWIW. And since that 6'5" and thoroughly homegrown kid will probably be on your NW Ohio radar over the next few years, just a tidbit for you.

Right after Valentine's Day of his 7th grade year, his entire family was driving home in a snow storm and hit a patch of black ice. His oldest brother - a senior and a center on the team - was driving and his Dad and grandmother were killed instantly. It was one of the worst night's in recent memory in Holmes County. Less than a week later, 13 year old Dylan and his mother walked across the court on senior night because because his older brother was still in the hospital (and perhaps still in a coma, I can't remember the details exactly) I promise you that their's were the only dry eyes in the house. I've watched him grow into a really strong young man - and one who's been very humble and an incredible team player. Don't be so quick to assume that what you hear about a kid is the truth.

I'm not trying to high jack the thread - just figured it was something that no one in NW knew. And watching him shoot foul shots on Saturday, you couldn't help but look on the big screen and see his dad's face in his and know how incredibly proud he would have been to see him go out like that.

[flounder]

Very nice post tflo.......and something I am sure not many knew about!!!!!!

[von]

flounder, on 25 March 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:

Very nice post tflo.......and something I am sure not many knew about!!!!!!

Thank tfloangel
Great post, thanks for the truth, a few people who post on here do not know the facts and judge kids to much without the proper info. As parents, don't we (you) want the best for your children? If I was the G-kid (& his family) from Vanlue, I would transfer next year in a minute. Aaron C. is one of the only D-4 kids I have seen start a D-1 school in many years. Is this young man that good? Good Luck....

[Rocketman]

Vonnie,
Craft is from LB, a D3 school..........and there have been many players from D3 schools in different sports who have excelled at the D1 collegiate level....

now, for the Kaufman kid..........a very sad story that I'm sure not many have heard about......thank you

[falconfan84]

Umm....Aaron C. was a move-in from Fostoria (D2 school at that time). Nice try, though.

I've heard the story (from an L-B parent) of how Aaron was quite the hot-shot in his younger years in a Toledo area youth basketball league (AAU, or something like that). He played for a Fostoria team. Everybody knew he was the best player in that age group. Turns out, the following year, Aaron's Dad brings him into a 5th grade practice at L-B, and says Aaron is coming to school at L-B. I'm pretty sure there was some thought on the parents' part with bringing him to L-B...and I bet the exposure to L-B's team at the Toledo league had a little bit to do with it also. You can't tell me that these parents don't have a plan sometimes...it doesn't always have to happen between 8th and 9th grade. The earlier you move, the less it looks like a transfer.

Edited by falconfan84, 25 March 2012 - 09:13 PM.

[falconfan84]

If a kid has talent, he can come from any size of a school district. It just happens that the real talents from the smaller schools usually end up at larger schools...or small schools that attract outside talent.

[falconfan84]

Open enrollment has put a sour taste in many people's mouths when it comes to athletics. If they did away with it tomorrow, it wouldn't bother me too much.

[cubbies4life]

falconfan84, on 25 March 2012 - 09:10 PM, said:

Umm....Aaron C. was a move-in from Fostoria (D2 school at that time). Nice try, though.

I've heard the story (from an L-B parent) of how Aaron was quite the hot-shot in his younger years in a Toledo area youth basketball league (AAU, or something like that). He played for a Fostoria team. Everybody knew he was the best player in that age group. Turns out, the following year, Aaron's Dad brings him into a 5th grade practice at L-B, and says Aaron is coming to school at L-B. I'm pretty sure there was some thought on the parents' part with bringing him to L-B...and I bet the exposure to L-B's team at the Toledo league had a little bit to do with it also. You can't tell me that these parents don't have a plan sometimes...it doesn't always have to happen between 8th and 9th grade. The earlier you move, the less it looks like a transfer.

Smart plan Dad. Looks like it worked.

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Edited by cubbies4life, 25 March 2012 - 09:24 PM.

[cubbies4life]

cubbies4life, on 25 March 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

Smart plan Dad. Looks like it worked.

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And by the way, Brandon Craft excelled at football and wound up going to Findlay University amd let's see Caite Craft would of been in 3rd grade when they moved in, she helped win a state BB championship and is also going to OSU. Daddy Craft really is smart to know a 3rd grader at the time would be good enough to go to OSU. Guess that would be consider a move in too.

Edited by cubbies4life, 25 March 2012 - 09:31 PM.

[cubbies4life]

My apologies to all considering this is a Vanlue thread but people always have to throw LB into everything even if they know nothing as usual.

[falconfan84]

Yes, it did. It worked out well for him and for us Buckeye fans. That is college, of course, and not high school. Colleges don't have districts, nor are kids required to get a college education. Primary educations (K-12) are pretty much a requirement, and public school districts have been set up by the states. Why aren't the boundaries where we live good enough? As people set up households, they usually have the ability to find a district to raise their children in.

Just wondering, Cubbie...would you be so quick to post your reply if he had stayed put, or even if he moved to Toledo, Cincinatti, or elsewhere?

Edited by falconfan84, 25 March 2012 - 09:48 PM.

[falconfan84]

cubbies4life, on 25 March 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:

My apologies to all considering this is a Vanlue thread but people always have to throw LB into everything even if they know nothing as usual.

Credit von for that...but I am guilty with running with it. If i'm not mistaken, it really isn't about L-B, or Aaron Craft, but the notion that the Garber boy should take his talents to another school since Vanlue's coach isn't returning. It's all about who can attract whom these days, isn't it?

The rest is just arguing if you consider transferring a good or bad thing. L-B, along with a few other schools, has been mentioned a place for Garber to play for. Besides having a decent tradition (since Williman) for basketball, it doesn't hurt the argument any that there are more than a few examples of players that have worn L-B uniforms coming from areas outside of the Benton Ridge area. If there weren't some truth to it, it wouldn't be brought up all the time. If the shoe fits...

Edited by falconfan84, 25 March 2012 - 09:47 PM.

[cubbies4life]

falconfan84, on 25 March 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

Yes, it did. It worked out well, and for him and for us Buckeye fans. That is college, of course, and not high school. Colleges don't have districts, nor are kids required to get a college education. Primary educations (K-12) are pretty much a requirement, and public school districts have been set up by the states. Why aren't the boundaries where we live good enough? As people set up households, they usually have the ability to find a district to raise their children in.

Just wondering, Cubbie...would you be so quick to post your reply if he had stayed put, or even if he moved to Toledo, Cincinatti, or elsewhere?

When families move in when the kids are as young as the Craft family was, why is it immediately a plan? It's the parents business and we have no business to question why they move to another school district.

[Common Sense]

cubbies4life, on 25 March 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

And by the way, Brandon Craft excelled at football and wound up going to Findlay University amd let's see Caite Craft would of been in 3rd grade when they moved in, she helped win a state BB championship and is also going to OSU. Daddy Craft really is smart to know a 3rd grader at the time would be good enough to go to OSU. Guess that would be consider a move in too.

Now that all of the Craft's are through at LB, anyone wonder what LB's legacy may have been the last 5-8 years if that family didn't move into the district??? Many criticize LB being in the BVC, but fact is they've had some outstanding individual athletes (Crafts and Hyde's) who've lifted those programs to amazing heights.

[Common Sense]

falconfan84, on 25 March 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

If a kid has talent, he can come from any size of a school district. It just happens that the real talents from the smaller schools usually end up at larger schools...or small schools that attract outside talent.

That's one of the great things about Garber, he's from a very small school and has lifted that program. The other great thing is that he also plays football, baseball and track for Vanlue. In this day of single-sport athletes, it's refreshing to see multi-sport athletes.

[falconfan84]

cubbies4life, on 25 March 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

Name the transfers that the boys basketball teams supposely received. I know one since 1995.

I can't remember the kid's name, or year exactly, but I'm thinking Blake was the first name. I think he had a brother that played football for either Michigan or Michigan St. He played basketball as a center after Granger. BTW, I didn't say just boys. The girls come to mind more quickly. Especially the state championship team. Girl from VB was a glaring example of (cough, cough) "moving in". Also, it was quite coincidental that there were a set of sisters that (for one year) went to Findlay for older sis to play, then when she graduates, younger sis comes back to L-B to play for them. What's up with that?

Most of this movement is sports oriented. Some is legitimate. Some isn't. Too much gray area for the OHSAA to police. IMO, open enrollment was put into place to appease people (schools) that didn't like private of Catholic schools attracting the best players (or winning too many championships). To me, it just opened up a different can of worms. If it didn't exist, we would have better things to post about in here.