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[Bobby]

PostPlayer, on 22 March 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

after watching Berlin Hiland beat us, I am now on board for HS recruiting to win championships . Their top two players were transfers after sophomore year, and it didn't hurt they are 6'5" and 6'7" and can play. The 6'5" kid is going to UF.

The Bonifant kid is going to Div II power West Liberty University. Hard for other Div IV schools to match up with that. I had not heard that the other kid was a transfer. I'm not sure that's the case but I'll keep my ears open.

It would be very interesting to know how many players on the 16 state semi teams are transfers.

[Common Sense]

I don't know every situation, but I think when a kid changes schools in high school for athletic reasons, it tells you a little bit about that kid. It has to be very difficult for a 16-17 year old kid to pick up and leave the kids he's gone to school with since elementary school. The kids he's seen everyday, played youth sports with, had sleepovers, birthday parties with, etc.
Maybe that kid that does move on was the square peg, maybe wasn't well liked many others?? YOu just hope in the end it's the kids decision, not parents, grandparents or travel coaches. Kids only get to go to high school once,

[Falcon86]

PostPlayer, on 22 March 2012 - 06:22 AM, said:

Here's to Garber looking at his options and realizing his BEST option is Arlington!! 3 Sophomores that play big minutes on a current state semi final team and deep talent all around.

IF Garber transfers, he would do it (I assume) for his best personal interest and want to have a shot at BVC championship as well as a run at state tourney. Having said that, he really only has 2-3 good options. Findlay High School, Liberty Benton (talent is not that robust right now) and Arlington. My guess is that if he does move, it will be to one of these three schools unless he goes to Carey cause it is the easiest transition with a parent already living there. Regardless of who gets him, someone would be very, very happy.

Posty....always the comedian.......I love the "talent is not that robust right now" comment. If memory serves me correctly, that talent at LB (1 senior) won them a share of the BVC with Posty's Red Devils. So if the talent isnt't that good, what is he saying about Arlington? Arlington beat LB in the early regular season, but had the game taken place at the end of the season I guarantee the game would have been a lot closer. The Darnall kid made a huge difference when he made it back to the LB lineup. LB loses 1 player to graduation and will return a plethora of sophomore talent to match up with Linhart, who will be 2 years removed from ACL surgery and IMO a lot more of a threat.

With that said, the Garber boy would be all the wiser to stay at the 'Lue. By moving he is sending a message to potential college suitors that he is willing to jump ship when things don't "go his way". We all know that the majority of recruiting is not done during the high school season, so how de does this summer with his AAU team will determine his future. He will have already committed to somewhere by the time the basketball season starts next year.

It is true that Vanlue's coach was at LB prior to going to Vanlue, but he was an assistant with the girls team at LB. IMO he only coached to make sure his daughter's scoring opportunities were not taken away. He left for Vanlue after her senior year at LB.

[veteranlefty]

Vanlue has ad in Findlay paper today for volleyball and boys head hoop coach...maybe the kid waits until he sees who his coach is going to be but I doubt it. I think the reason not many on this forum are suggesting he stay at Vanlue is most know how fragmented it seems that situation has become with special meetings to get rid of the superintendent (he was retained). Then the superintendent and maybe a board member or two had a vendetta against the basketball coach and he is now gone. School is struggling to stay afloat period and battles to have enough to field a football team annually as well and community is split on the wisdom of that issue too. LB makes a lot of sense to me as the kid could play for a great coach with other good players. I am sure he would be welcomed wherever he goes though.

[Dman]

Why and how could we expect loyalty from a kid when the adults do not do the same? Vanlue administers are the villain in this story...not a kid or his father.

[falconfan84]

This was my favorite post on this thread...

Bobby, on 22 March 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

Interesting that the conversation is about where he will/might go instead of saying he should stay at his home school. Apparently everyone is A-okay with kids transferring from school to school for sports.

...Until I read this one...

Common Sense, on 22 March 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:

I don't know every situation, but I think when a kid changes schools in high school for athletic reasons, it tells you a little bit about that kid. It has to be very difficult for a 16-17 year old kid to pick up and leave the kids he's gone to school with since elementary school. The kids he's seen everyday, played youth sports with, had sleepovers, birthday parties with, etc.
Maybe that kid that does move on was the square peg, maybe wasn't well liked many others?? YOu just hope in the end it's the kids decision, not parents, grandparents or travel coaches. Kids only get to go to high school once,

Both make good points. With that being said, one has to wonder why Garber didn't STAY at Carey where he apparently lived and grew up. He's already shown that he will transfer, so it wouldn't surprise me if he did it again. Reading most of these posts, it's almost like everybody expects him to leave for greener pastures. Winning is great, and should be the goal for every team/game, but there's more to life than winning and losing. Most times, more could be learned from actually working harder with what you've got (a non-all-star, or home grown team in this instance) than to jump into a situation where winning is almost handed to you. When things are earned through hard work, they are appreciated much more.

We're raising spoiled brats.

[tiffindude3313]

falcon--my sources said that his parent remarried and moved from NB (where he started school) to where step-parent's family lives when Garber was in elementary. From what I understand, he has never attended Carey at any time. He evidently lives very near the dividing line between the neighboring districts but chose to open enroll to Vanlue in elementary school. I believe many of his "new" family already attend/attended there, including the step-father. It seems to me if he were going to leave for greener pastures as you say, he would have done that prior to his freshman year to somewhere like Findlay (ie, Gettys leaving VB). Who knows if he will stay at Vanlue or go, but administration, etc is the culprit in this situation...I'm not sure that makes a 16 or 17 year old kid a spoiled brat. I do agree that the majority of his exposure will come during AAU, although I did see a number of coaches attending the few games I was able to take in this season.

[falconfan84]

tiffindude3313, on 23 March 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

falcon--my sources said that his parent remarried and moved from NB (where he started school) to where step-parent's family lives when Garber was in elementary. From what I understand, he has never attended Carey at any time. He evidently lives very near the dividing line between the neighboring districts but chose to open enroll to Vanlue in elementary school. I believe many of his "new" family already attend/attended there, including the step-father. It seems to me if he were going to leave for greener pastures as you say, he would have done that prior to his freshman year to somewhere like Findlay (ie, Gettys leaving VB). Who knows if he will stay at Vanlue or go, but administration, etc is the culprit in this situation...I'm not sure that makes a 16 or 17 year old kid a spoiled brat. I do agree that the majority of his exposure will come during AAU, although I did see a number of coaches attending the few games I was able to take in this season.

Thanks for the explanation...I was assuming (we all know what happens when we assume...) that he at one time attended or lived in Carey district based on other posts in here.

Based on your explanation, I'd have to change my view to wondering why Garber doesn't stay at Vanlue, where he has attended all along (if your info is, in fact, correct).

Every situation is different, so maybe I can't put the "spoiled brat" tag on Garber...BUT in many cases, it just boils down to leaving a school where there is little hope of winning and going to a team that has little chance of losing. We are seeing this happen at an ever-increasing rate. It has gone on for a while in the big cities, but has made it's way to rural schools. I personally don't like it. Play the hand you are dealt...if you lose, learn from your mistakes, practice hard and get better. Anybody can walk away. That's the easy way out. Nobody wants to work to become something anymore. They want it handed to them.

On a side note...
Whiile I agree about exposure to coaches coming more from AAU ball, that post was from Falcon86, not me (falconfan84). I don't know who Falcon86 is, but have a feeling that many people on here may credit/fault the wrong person from time to time. Falcon86 is relatively new to posting on here (currently 20 posts), while I've been around for quite some time (over 800 posts). I'm just pointing out that people might see "falcon" and assume it's the same old guy.

Edited by falconfan84, 23 March 2012 - 11:43 AM.

[Voice_of_reason]

Regardless, a kid switching schools because of athletics is absurd and the fact that people think it is okay is even worse. I thought kids went to school for an education and sports were a privilage. I love high school sports but some of us need to realize what is important in life. The kid should stay put unless he is moving for another reason.

[tiffindude3313]

I asked some more questions from people in the area---kid is a 4 sport varsity athlete and is currently tied (or whatever you call it when there are 3 students together at the top) for valedictorian with a 4.00 in high school and college PSO classes. Source said many are in disbelief, upset, and angry about what happened to the coach, but that no one said anyone was going anywhere differently at this point. I guess the topic originally started because he's a high profile player stuck in a bizarre situation and people assumed he'd leave. The one parent I spoke with did say that the junior class had been playing together (all sports I think) for a long time, so maybe this discussion is moot.

[tiffindude3313]

Also, sorry about not differentiating between 'Falcons'. i've been a member for awhile and have read your posts...I just don't normally reply to many things on here...just stick to enjoying the reading. But this situation is just weird, so I thought it merited further investigation. That's why I asked around and actually posted.

[Rocketman]

It would appear that he is spending the weekend at the state tourney with representatives from a different team than mentioned.

[veteranlefty]

Rocket, don't leave us hanging...what team?

I agree with a few recent posts that in this case the kid should not be viewed as bailing on his buddies...this is a bizarre situation with family members involved as coach's and a very backward thinking school administration...plus it is not just a case of "little johnny" not getting along with the coach or wishing to win a few more games or play more. This is a 6-9 D1 caliber basketball player in a place where that is very, very rare so who could blame him or his parents for trying to maximize the opportunity. From all accounts the kid is a great student and contributes to the football and baseball teams when others at his level would just focus on basketball. I hope he makes the best decision he can for himself and then enjoys his senior year and goes on to succeed at the next level too.

[effingA]

I'm tired of the view that students/families are endentured to their school district. When did it become "the American" way to stay put in a situation that was notin your best interest?
"No thank you, I'd rather work harder and for less pay - but the offer was nice. I'm happy here with the people I started with".
People do it in the workplace everyday, why shouldn't parents and kids do while they're in school? People are so hypocritical about "transfers".

[flounder]

Most people and fans continue to ridicule the high school jock who wants to transfer..........until that jock transfers into their school district!!!!!!

[bvcpclmal]

Very true but really what schools was he with? Could LB be one of those?

[Northwestsports]

If its collage looks he's after then go to LB coach there seems to have the connections

[slingblade]

_{It is really amazing and sad what HS sports have become. Kids and parents really don't get it.}

Edited by slingblade, 23 March 2012 - 07:31 PM.

[PostPlayer]

Falcon86, on 23 March 2012 - 08:05 AM, said:

Posty....always the comedian.......I love the "talent is not that robust right now" comment. If memory serves me correctly, that talent at LB (1 senior) won them a share of the BVC with Posty's Red Devils. So if the talent isnt't that good, what is he saying about Arlington? Arlington beat LB in the early regular season, but had the game taken place at the end of the season I guarantee the game would have been a lot closer. The Darnall kid made a huge difference when he made it back to the LB lineup. LB loses 1 player to graduation and will return a plethora of sophomore talent to match up with Linhart, who will be 2 years removed from ACL surgery and IMO a lot more of a threat.

With that said, the Garber boy would be all the wiser to stay at the 'Lue. By moving he is sending a message to potential college suitors that he is willing to jump ship when things don't "go his way". We all know that the majority of recruiting is not done during the high school season, so how de does this summer with his AAU team will determine his future. He will have already committed to somewhere by the time the basketball season starts next year.

It is true that Vanlue's coach was at LB prior to going to Vanlue, but he was an assistant with the girls team at LB. IMO he only coached to make sure his daughter's scoring opportunities were not taken away. He left for Vanlue after her senior year at LB.

You are drinking the Kool-Aid if you think that LB has tremendous talent in their basketball program right now. Decent talent - yes. Above average talent - no. Williman would be the first to tell you that this team is not one of his better ones. Good skill players, but little athleticism and strength. Tough to win in games where you cannot match up physically against the opponent - a very simple reason why LB was never in the game against Arlington this year (with or without the sophomore).

[Northwestsports]

Post you are right but he still managed to win a peice of the BVC with average talent. So if he had above average talent who knows, we didnt really seem to have much of a problem with vanlue this yr, so how did arlington do with the lue not picking but its not allways about all that talent.