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[BlasT]

I really think the officials will play a big part in this game... If they call a loose game, it will be to Arlington's benefit, if they call a tight game (body fouls/hand checks) it will be in Ottoville's favor. Arlington will probably cause a decent amount of turnovers either way, but their pressure defense will be held in check if they get into foul trouble. I'm not sure they can "stop" Seifker, but they can hold her in check by getting turnovers in transition.

One thing Ottoville would like to see is Arlington settling for jumpers in their half court set. Sure in the first half vs. Leipsic they nailed a few treys and hit their open looks, but guards were driving and dishing... Second half, they seemed content with firing 15 footers w/o attacking the basket and it allowed Leipsic back in the game. If Arlington is out and running they're at their best. It's to O'ville's advantage if it becomes a half court game.

[JimBucks]

I can't help but think two years ago, the Big Green were undefeated and flying high into the Regionals and they got spanked by Loramie. Not saying that Arlington is like Loramie from two years ago, but they play a style of defense that can give Ottoville fits, and ALL of the pressure is on # 1 not # 2. I do think the Big Green will find Elida much more of a homecourt than driving to Springfield like two years ago...still think Arlington in a close one.

[Mysterio]

JimBucks, on 04 March 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

I can't help but think two years ago, the Big Green were undefeated and flying high into the Regionals and they got spanked by Loramie. Not saying that Arlington is like Loramie from two years ago, but they play a style of defense that can give Ottoville fits, and ALL of the pressure is on # 1 not # 2. I do think the Big Green will find Elida much more of a homecourt than driving to Springfield like two years ago...still think Arlington in a close one.

Well Ottoville didnt get spanked they just lost by 10-12 points if I do believe? They were well in that game the whole time just couldn't quite get any closer than 5 late in the game. But what does that have to do with this year? Whole new team except a few players that are now more experienced. Who cares who had a stronger schedule than the other, in my opinion Ottoville clearly does but it doesn't matter to me. I don't care what happened in the regular season people it is what happens in the tournament. I don't care who had a tougher road or an easier road. This game is going to come down to free throws in the end. My hear is telling me that Ottoville is going to win this but my mind is thinking Arlington might come away with a win. Ottoville has not been playing well in tournament so far. Either way its going to be a good game.

Edited by Mysterio, 04 March 2012 - 06:38 PM.

[flounder]

JimBucks, on 04 March 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

I can't help but think two years ago, the Big Green were undefeated and flying high into the Regionals and they got spanked by Loramie. Not saying that Arlington is like Loramie from two years ago, but they play a style of defense that can give Ottoville fits, and ALL of the pressure is on # 1 not # 2. I do think the Big Green will find Elida much more of a homecourt than driving to Springfield like two years ago...still think Arlington in a close one.

Jim......

Ottoville's ship was sinking before they got to Loramie......they struggled the last third of the season that year, and did the same last season.......actually this year has been a close repeat only not quite as severe........the last couple times I have watched Ottoville play, they have not impressed me as a number one ranked team......I haven't seen Arlington play....only what I hear....I did see New Knoxville play and they could play with Ottoville......I was really surprised by them!!!!

[Mysterio]

flounder, on 03 March 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

Ottoville is very beatable, no doubt....again, like in the past 2 seasons, it seems that they are not playing their best ball come tourney time....had a very easy district and has been turning the ball over more than they should....that is why I said if Arlington can apply the pressure and force turnovers, they will have a chance.....Ottoville had 19 turnovers against a Jefferson team that does not have the quality of players that Arlington has.......DSJ had Ottoville down 7 going into the 4th quarter, but the Jays just weren't very deep this season, and were short a point guard all year!!!!!

very well said flounder I was there at the Jefferson game and it was ugly. Even when they played Kalida it seemed ugly at times. It seems to me that Ottoville has played down to their level of competitiion at least so far in this tourney and some games during the season. If Arlington wins this game it will be because they are the better team. It won't be an upset or anything it will just be the better team won. Both really good teams. Hope I can get there early to get a front row seat lol i doubt it though. Good luck to both teams

[PostPlayer]

Dang Flounder...I assume you live close to this area, and you never made it out to see the #2 ranked Red Devils? I was looking for some solid insight from you or Rocketman as to this matchup. Everything from others is biased to some degree (cough, cough).

[Mysterio]

PostPlayer, on 04 March 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

Dang Flounder...I assume you live close to this area, and you never made it out to see the #2 ranked Red Devils? I was looking for some solid insight from you or Rocketman as to this matchup. Everything from others is biased to some degree (cough, cough).

My insight to this matcup is this. Siefker has not been playing well for Ottoville in tournament. She is due for a good game. As a team they have not been playing well. Arlingtons defensive pressure is better than Ottovilles. But I think Ottoville offensive scoring is better. Both teams are good at hitting the 3. I think this game comes down to foul shots and scoring off turnovers.

[PostPlayer]

Mysterio - how many times have you seen Arlington and Ottoville this year? Curious as to what games...

Someone earlier posted that Arlington's offense has looked out-of-sorts as of late. I agree - however, don't discount Holgates defensive pressure either. They were very good defensively. If it comes down to FT's - we should be fine. The Holgate game was an anamoly...this team has set records this year for best team FT % and led the BVC in team FT %.

I am more concerned with defending the post without fouling and also converting inside the lane with their height. I am sure Ottoville is concerned with handling the basketball and not turning it over...battle of wills. One team will impose their will and win this game - it is as simple as that.

[Mysterio]

PostPlayer, on 04 March 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

Mysterio - how many times have you seen Arlington and Ottoville this year? Curious as to what games...

Someone earlier posted that Arlington's offense has looked out-of-sorts as of late. I agree - however, don't discount Holgates defensive pressure either. They were very good defensively. If it comes down to FT's - we should be fine. The Holgate game was an anamoly...this team has set records this year for best team FT % and led the BVC in team FT %.

I am more concerned with defending the post without fouling and also converting inside the lane with their height. I am sure Ottoville is concerned with handling the basketball and not turning it over...battle of wills. One team will impose their will and win this game - it is as simple as that.

Well I'm not saying Arlingtons offense is not that good. I think they have a good offense with a lot of weapons and the ability to hit 3 ball. I just think Ottoville has a little bit better offense with good inside scoring. Arlington is better on the defensive side compared to Ottoville. If Siefker starts playing better, it could be a problem for Arlington defensively. Ottoville does have 3 girls inside that could cause matchup problems. If Sieker struggles like she has been it could be a problem for Ottoville. And your right Ottoville has been very carelss of the basketball and needs to protect that ball better if they want a chance against Arlington.

Edited by Mysterio, 04 March 2012 - 07:52 PM.

[JimBucks]

Mysterio, on 04 March 2012 - 06:35 PM, said:

Well Ottoville didnt get spanked they just lost by 10-12 points if I do believe? They were well in that game the whole time just couldn't quite get any closer than 5 late in the game. But what does that have to do with this year? Whole new team except a few players that are now more experienced. Who cares who had a stronger schedule than the other, in my opinion Ottoville clearly does but it doesn't matter to me. I don't care what happened in the regular season people it is what happens in the tournament. I don't care who had a tougher road or an easier road. This game is going to come down to free throws in the end. My hear is telling me that Ottoville is going to win this but my mind is thinking Arlington might come away with a win. Ottoville has not been playing well in tournament so far. Either way its going to be a good game.

I looked it up and the score was 48-30, and I thought it was close to 20 in the second quarter already, but maybe it was a 5 point game near the end. My point was, that it just feels a little like deja vu for the Big Green. I really think if you compare schedules, you'll have a hard time saying Ottoville's was better, Bath stands out as the big win for Ottoville that Arlington doesn't have. Closest Arlington probably has is that overtime tourney win over Holgate. If you are looking for a northwest ohio favorite for the next few years, you might want to start with the Tigers, but that is a little off topic. I think it will be a well attended and exciting game. Heck, I even contradicted my own prediction on this game in Rocket's Tournament Prediction contest, so obviously I can't make up my mind.

[Mysterio]

JimBucks, on 04 March 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

I looked it up and the score was 48-30, and I thought it was close to 20 in the second quarter already, but maybe it was a 5 point game near the end. My point was, that it just feels a little like deja vu for the Big Green. I really think if you compare schedules, you'll have a hard time saying Ottoville's was better, Bath stands out as the big win for Ottoville that Arlington doesn't have. Closest Arlington probably has is that overtime tourney win over Holgate. If you are looking for a northwest ohio favorite for the next few years, you might want to start with the Tigers, but that is a little off topic. I think it will be a well attended and exciting game. Heck, I even contradicted my own prediction on this game in Rocket's Tournament Prediction contest, so obviously I can't make up my mind.

You are right though, I said earlier in another topic that Ottoville has been struggling in their last 5-6 games. Playing to the level of their competition which was kind of what they did a few years ago.

Well I don't think I would have a hard time saying Ottoville's schedule was more difficult because it is. But thats just an opinion and you can make whatever argument you want but truth be told it doesn't matter. This game has nothing to do with regular season opponents or what even happened 2 years ago.

Edited by Mysterio, 04 March 2012 - 08:52 PM.

[Common Sense]

PostPlayer, on 04 March 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

I am more concerned with defending the post without fouling and also converting inside the lane with their height. I am sure Ottoville is concerned with handling the basketball and not turning it over...battle of wills. One team will impose their will and win this game - it is as simple as that.

At times, Ottoville will have the three biggest kids on the floor, Siefker, Beining and Bendele, all are good passers. I could see Arlington getting into foul trouble, and if it's Amelia, that's bad, bad news for A-town. I think it's going to take a great shooting night by the Red Devils to stay in this one, and they are certainly capable of doing that. They won't get many looks 15 ft. and in.

[von]

Mysterio, on 04 March 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

You are right though, I said earlier in another topic that Ottoville has been struggling in their last 5-6 games. Playing to the level of their competition which was kind of what they did a few years ago. Well I don't think I would have a hard time saying Ottoville's schedule was more difficult because it is. But thats just an opinion and you can make whatever argument you want but truth be told it doesn't matter. This game has nothing to do with regular season opponents or what even happened 2 years ago.

Never seeing or listening to AHS games, I do not know what will happen. But, if AS and Ottoville play as good as they did vs. Bath, they should win. Why do guys always project problems with the officials. Whoever makes the most free throws and layups will win. It has NOTHING to do with the officials. Come on, the best team will win. Why bring up the past, that was then, this is now. Go Green, good luck

[von]

Mysterio, on 04 March 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

You are right though, I said earlier in another topic that Ottoville has been struggling in their last 5-6 games. Playing to the level of their competition which was kind of what they did a few years ago. Well I don't think I would have a hard time saying Ottoville's schedule was more difficult because it is. But thats just an opinion and you can make whatever argument you want but truth be told it doesn't matter. This game has nothing to do with regular season opponents or what even happened 2 years ago.

[BlueJay]

I don't think Siefker has ever performed well in the tournament. I know last year in the meltdown vs. DSJ she buckled under the pressure. Pretty sure she had > 10 points and she fouled out, which was what ultimately doomed the Big Green

[BlasT]

Von, I don't think people are saying officials will decide the game based on good/bad calls. They are saying officials will decide how the game is played transition/half court... Arlington applies A LOT of pressure, if touch fouls are called and players get in foul trouble early it could spell disaster for Arlington. However, if the refs call a lenient game w/o calling the hand checks/body ups that occur it might be tough for Ottoville to beat the press.

[PostPlayer]

I got an idea - let the officials call the style of play like they do in the Big Ten basketball games...I think that would be a huge help for Arlington. No blood, no foul.

[Mysterio]

BlueJay, on 05 March 2012 - 12:39 AM, said:

I don't think Siefker has ever performed well in the tournament. I know last year in the meltdown vs. DSJ she buckled under the pressure. Pretty sure she had > 10 points and she fouled out, which was what ultimately doomed the Big Green

You are right on the money there BlueJay...Ottoville needs Siefker to play well if they want to get past Arlington. I think they still can even if she doesn't play well, but the 3 point shooting and ball control has to be executed though. If neither happens, then Ottoville is going to be in trouble. I also agree with a lot of people here the game is going to come down to how the officials call this game. If it's called tight, you better believe it will be in Arlingtons favor, but if its not then Arlington might have to change their deffensive pressure otherwise they might be in some serious foul trouble like Boggs and Lewis were against Ottoville. Either way I don't see any team being a favorite over the other in this one.

Edited by Mysterio, 05 March 2012 - 07:47 AM.

[PostPlayer]

Common Sense, on 05 March 2012 - 12:05 AM, said:

At times, Ottoville will have the three biggest kids on the floor, Siefker, Beining and Bendele, all are good passers. I could see Arlington getting into foul trouble, and if it's Amelia, that's bad, bad news for A-town. I think it's going to take a great shooting night by the Red Devils to stay in this one, and they are certainly capable of doing that. They won't get many looks 15 ft. and in.

Quite frankly, I think it swings to Arlignton's favor when Ottoville plays all three bigs at one time. Teams that have had size tend to struggle against us more than guard oriented teams IMO. Size certainly presents issues, don't get me wrong, but if you have size and limited guard play...you can count on your bigs getting very few touches and when they do, the defense collapses and forces a kick out or TO.

[BIG DOG]

BlueJay, on 05 March 2012 - 12:39 AM, said:

I don't think Siefker has ever performed well in the tournament. I know last year in the meltdown vs. DSJ she buckled under the pressure. Pretty sure she had > 10 points and she fouled out, which was what ultimately doomed the Big Green

You are talking about her as a freshman and sophmore not playing great. As a junior this will be her 10th tournament game start. The closer the score, the better she has played this year.