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[Dman]

Personally, I believe the vast majority of this thread is a criticism of the adults and a system that allows deviant behavior to flourish without appropriate (behavior-changing) consequence. As such, I opine that those who deflect attention from the flawed adults/system (i.e. don’t offend the poor child) are a part of the problem. Every ounce of energy spent deflecting criticism of the child is an ounce of energy that would be more efficiently spent illuminating the adult failures that have allowed this fiasco to continue.

This child’s life is more important than Elida’s basketball victory count. If the adults designed a system that kept these priorities in their rightful order, there would be no reason to have this discussion. It is currently the Elida District that is failing this child. But any system in which the adults/coaches/authority has juxtaposed their priorities would do the same. In that sense, this is a story of flawed societal priorities/expectations.

[DC/MS]

affirmative...................................................

[clutch]

reno, on 02 March 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:

I really was literally talking about our water. I guess I'll chalk that up for a failed attempt at humor. Lol

Lol I used to live in elida and I remember the "boil your water" notices.

[78vette]

slice,thanks for the welcome. look forward to posting more when there are threads about games and teams but not likely to post on gossip threads which seem to be the main threads right now.

[lepiota]

78vette, on 02 March 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

slice,thanks for the welcome. look forward to posting more when there are threads about games and teams but not likely to post on gossip threads which seem to be the main threads right now.

As with politics and religion, we all eventually realize that we have done our best to convince the other side of our position and we give up on it.

"Sigh"

[Rocketman]

78,
The days of June Cleaver are long past..... sorry to say........

[RonnyD]

Dman, on 02 March 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

This child’s life is more important than Elida’s basketball victory count. If the adults designed a system that kept these priorities in their rightful order, there would be no reason to have this discussion. It is currently the Elida District that is failing this child. But any system in which the adults/coaches/authority has juxtaposed their priorities would do the same. In that sense, this is a story of flawed societal priorities/expectations.

So hang on a second - Elida suspends the student from school (again), suspends him from games (again, and, as it sounds, exponentially more than the first time), and has probably done more that no one can really confirm or deny.. i.e. counseling, other disciplinary measures. How exactly have they failed him again? It seems to me they are TRYING to do something to better this individual. Ultimately, it ends up falling on that individual to accept the help and make a decision to begin an internal change...

I guess I don't quite understand why the Elida school system is being put to blame for some really dumb actions of students who happen to be athletes. They essentially took away athletics from those involved in the pizza incident, they are disciplining another young man for academic issues... exactly what else are they supposed to do?

I'd love to hear your thoughts. Should be absolutely rich, I'm sure...

[Witness In Cbus]

I can't believe a kid got suspended for cheating on a test. Back in my day, which wasn't too long ago, that use to be a weeks worth of detentions and running line drills at practice.

[slice slice baby]

RonnyD, on 02 March 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

So hang on a second - Elida suspends the student from school (again), suspends him from games (again, and, as it sounds, exponentially more than the first time), and has probably done more that no one can really confirm or deny.. i.e. counseling, other disciplinary measures. How exactly have they failed him again? It seems to me they are TRYING to do something to better this individual. Ultimately, it ends up falling on that individual to accept the help and make a decision to begin an internal change...

I guess I don't quite understand why the Elida school system is being put to blame for some really dumb actions of students who happen to be athletes. They essentially took away athletics from those involved in the pizza incident, they are disciplining another young man for academic issues... exactly what else are they supposed to do?

I'd love to hear your thoughts. Should be absolutely rich, I'm sure...

what about where (i think) the real culpabilities are..... with the parents........and why hasn't anything been done there from those 'authorities' that are always asking for increasing levies to do their part to ensure youths' well-being?


btw, not attacking your post, ronny.....just expounding on what my thoughts are on this situation.

[RonnyD]

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However, here is the problem, and the problem I have with the majority of the posts I have seen on here attacking the young man, as well as the school system:

i wasn't referring to the school system, but rather, AC children services..... how is a 'kid' is in the court system this long and having continued 'issues' at school after school (not to mention criminal/legal) and they haven't stepped in since apparently those 'in charge' parents or otherwise (which i do believe to be the parents) aren't being effective?

i've had my own dealings with them with my own family members & to say the end result with their 'resolution' left a sour taste in my mouth is an understatement..... and my niece & nephew would attest to. <the kids, now adults, affected

[slice slice baby]

^^^^^^^wth happened here?!

is everyone seeing that as ronny d's post like i am?? that's my post....... weird!!!

[bluestreaksfever]

Witness In Cbus, on 02 March 2012 - 02:04 PM, said:

I can't believe a kid got suspended for cheating on a test. Back in my day, which wasn't too long ago, that use to be a weeks worth of detentions and running line drills at practice.

I very seriously doubt his suspension was because of this one incident. From what others have said, this is a common occurrence for this individual, and a suspensions may have been the next step in his discipline.

[Colt45]

He was not at school today which he should have been but he is in a location I will not tell you.

Edited by Colt45, 02 March 2012 - 03:28 PM.

[slice slice baby]

Colt45, on 02 March 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

He was not at school today which he should have been but he is in a location I will not tell you unless you message me I want it private.

i don't believe it's a secret or that hard to figger out, colt.

may this be the a final major eye-opening event in this young man's life....my best wishes to him.

[Colt45]

Broke the good old probation i heard from getting suspened.

[DC/MS]

Violation of probation will bite you in the butt every time.

[lepiota]

"You men are on Double, Secret Probation....."

[Dman]

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So hang on a second - Elida suspends the student from school (again), suspends him from games (again, and, as it sounds, exponentially more than the first time)

A quick thread review will reveal that it is I who advocated the position that Elida would/should administer "exponential" punishment this time. I was taken to task by some for holding this position. My responses are directed toward those who did not believe exponential punishment was fair or realistic.

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How exactly have they failed him again? It seems to me they are TRYING to do something to better this individual.

I agree they are trying and applaud them for doing so. As stated above, my responses are directed toward those who felt exponential punishment was unfair or unrealistic.

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Ultimately, it ends up falling on that individual to accept the help and make a decision to begin an internal change...

Correct... It is also correct that the school makes the decision about who will and will not represent their program in extracurricular activities. So far, it would appear Elida is trying to send a strong message to this child in hopes of helping him adjust to societal norms.

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I guess I don't quite understand why the Elida school system is being put to blame for some really dumb actions of students who happen to be athletes.

They are not. If you read this thread in its entirety you will see that my responses are hypothetical based upon those who felt Elida should not provide exponential punishment. Given the fact that Elida has apparently decided to fulfill their educational mission, any hypothetical criticism is null and void.

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I'd love to hear your thoughts. Should be absolutely rich, I'm sure..

If by rich you believe that stealing and cheating are wrong, a child's development is more important than basketball victories, educator's should place the individual child's interest over their own ego gratification, and punishment should be of significant magnitude to change deviant behavior...then your sweet tooth should ache no more.

[downdawg]

RonnyD, on 02 March 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

So hang on a second - Elida suspends the student from school (again), suspends him from games (again, and, as it sounds, exponentially more than the first time), and has probably done more that no one can really confirm or deny.. i.e. counseling, other disciplinary measures. How exactly have they failed him again? It seems to me they are TRYING to do something to better this individual. Ultimately, it ends up falling on that individual to accept the help and make a decision to begin an internal change...

I guess I don't quite understand why the Elida school system is being put to blame for some really dumb actions of students who happen to be athletes. They essentially took away athletics from those involved in the pizza incident, they are disciplining another young man for academic issues... exactly what else are they supposed to do?

I'd love to hear your thoughts. Should be absolutely rich, I'm sure...

The pizza incident had nothing to do with school or done on school property! The LN and all there top notch investigating put that all together! What this young man did was done on school property, you do the math.

[LimaJock]

RonnyD, on 02 March 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

So hang on a second - Elida suspends the student from school (again), suspends him from games (again, and, as it sounds, exponentially more than the first time), and has probably done more that no one can really confirm or deny.. i.e. counseling, other disciplinary measures. How exactly have they failed him again? It seems to me they are TRYING to do something to better this individual. Ultimately, it ends up falling on that individual to accept the help and make a decision to begin an internal change...

I guess I don't quite understand why the Elida school system is being put to blame for some really dumb actions of students who happen to be athletes. They essentially took away athletics from those involved in the pizza incident, they are disciplining another young man for academic issues... exactly what else are they supposed to do?

I'd love to hear your thoughts. Should be absolutely rich, I'm sure...

There are two reasons he ended up at Elida. 1] Shawnee said goodbye/dont come back 2] During summer before jr year Elida BB was skirting the edge of recruiting the kid. He couldnt get along with new Shawnee BB staff. Many believe he would of not took the path he did at shawnee to the level he did [resulting in removal] without the feeling he had a backup plan of playing basketball at Elida. If Elida admin would be honest, they never wanted him because they realized to potential for issues-- go figure. But, whatever it takes to add a needed part for sports.

LJ

Edited by LimaJock, 02 March 2012 - 08:54 PM.