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[D.C. Boy]

There was 2:16 left on the clock Holgate had to break Arlingtons press which was outstanding and then Holgate almost lost the ball once they got over half court and then they realized the clock hadn't started. The officials never came together to dicuss the clock problem one official simple just took the ball out of bounds and the clock read 2:14. In my opinion atleast 10 secs should of come off. But of Mack goes 3-3 from the line instead of 2-3 they win by 1 and if the freshman guards #12 who was the only one hitting threes all night they win. The better coached team won. The play at the end for Arlington was so easy a JH team could have guarded it #12 sat in the corner waited for the ball and made an excellent shot. How had is it to guard a girl that just stands their. Congrats to Arlington

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D.C. Boy, on 02 March 2012 - 10:03 AM, said:

There was 2:16 left on the clock Holgate had to break Arlingtons press which was outstanding and then Holgate almost lost the ball once they got over half court and then they realized the clock hadn't started. The officials never came together to dicuss the clock problem one official simple just took the ball out of bounds and the clock read 2:14. In my opinion atleast 10 secs should of come off. But of Mack goes 3-3 from the line instead of 2-3 they win by 1 and if the freshman guards #12 who was the only one hitting threes all night they win. The better coached team won. The play at the end for Arlington was so easy a JH team could have guarded it #12 sat in the corner waited for the ball and made an excellent shot. How had is it to guard a girl that just stands their. Congrats to Arlington

The 10 seconds everyone is complaining about and the 2 seconds that did come off of the clock adds up to a 10 second backcourt violation if they just got it across the line. Should of been a turnover?

[Mysterio]

PostPlayer, on 02 March 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:

I agree that Holgate made one heck of a run to get back in it in 3rd quarter. Arlington up 13 pts in 3rd quarter, cruising. Then a 4 pt play, followed by Atown miss. Next offensive trip - 3 pt play. All of the sudden, we have a HUGE momentum swing and a 6 pt game. Arlington scored like 6 pts in the 3rd quarter and was completely out of sorts.

I also agree on the time clock - while it would be hard to swallow on Holgate's side - there was 2:16 left. What happens from that point on is totally different if that time winds down. Arlington strategy, as well as Holgate's, changes...

I have said early on...to make it to Cbus you have to be GOOD, TALENTED AND GET A BREAK. This is obviously a break we will take and run with and when I mean break I mean hitting a HUGE 3pt shot w/ 10 sec in game and also the time clock issue. SOmetimes you make your breaks. Kudos to Coach Newlove for drawing up the play, to Amelia Recker for making a tremendous pass that was not an easy one, to Alivia Recker for a good pick and certainly to Jess Hunter for catching, shooting and making a 20 ft 3 pt shot under tremendous pressure.

Post I am jealous. I was at the Jefferson/Ottoville game in Lima and thought to myself I should drive to Findlay for the Holgate/Arlington game, thought about it, but didn't. Now I'm regretting it after how this game turned out. And you are right on, to get to state you have to be good, talented, and most certainly get a break. WIth that said, I think Arlingtons break was not the clock issue, but more importantly Holgates coach chosing not to foul and make them shoot free throws. I mean Arlington struggled from the free throw line the whole game, why on earth don't you foul then? To me I felt that coaching mistake cost Holgate in the end. Congrats to Arlington for battling back and hitting that 3 to send the game into O.T. That 3 is no easy shot especially with that kind of pressure and the season on the line.

[PostPlayer]

Mysterio, on 02 March 2012 - 10:21 AM, said:

Post I am jealous. I was at the Jefferson/Ottoville game in Lima and thought to myself I should drive to Findlay for the Holgate/Arlington game, thought about it, but didn't. Now I'm regretting it after how this game turned out. And you are right on, to get to state you have to be good, talented, and most certainly get a break. WIth that said, I think Arlingtons break was not the clock issue, but more importantly Holgates coach chosing not to foul and make them shoot free throws. I mean Arlington struggled from the free throw line the whole game, why on earth don't you foul then? To me I felt that coaching mistake cost Holgate in the end. Congrats to Arlington for battling back and hitting that 3 to send the game into O.T. That 3 is no easy shot especially with that kind of pressure and the season on the line.

Mysterio - you are so right. Arlington was horrid from the FT line 3rd/4th quarters (2-12). However, in the OT we got back to our normal ways going 10-11 from the stripe. This team set records for Arlington for team FT % this year, and led the BVC in FT shooting...I think we were a bit tired perhaps but that is certainly understandable.

Yeah - you missed a wild game for sure! Hunter had ice in her viens when she made that shot and believe me, it was not an easy shot. The clock issue was actually 20 second error, not 10. Both teams caught some breaks...there were a million travel calls not made with a ton on #35. Although she is a nice player, I thought she really struggled all nighta gainst our press. Just not enough quickness to attack it. However, #20 seemed to handle it better, and then broke us down with her dribble penetration.

To foul or not to foul - that is the big question. Not sure I foul, but I am damn sure not letting Hunter see the ball regardless of where/who has the ball on inbounds.

Let's hope this "break" catapults us into Regionals and a much anticipated matchup with Ottoville. Love to see that game - I really think our pressure would be a difference maker with them, just as their size inside would be (if we let them break our pressure).

Till then - off to boys Sectional final game tonight and think I may even catch teh Vanlue/Ada game even though this sectional is a SPLIT SESSION - BOOOOO!

[Common Sense]

Snip, on 02 March 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

The 10 seconds everyone is complaining about and the 2 seconds that did come off of the clock adds up to a 10 second backcourt violation if they just got it across the line. Should of been a turnover?

The official would count off 10 seconds, not look at the clock to look for 2:06.

[Common Sense]

PostPlayer, on 02 March 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

Mysterio - you are so right. Arlington was horrid from the FT line 3rd/4th quarters (2-12). However, in the OT we got back to our normal ways going 10-11 from the stripe. This team set records for Arlington for team FT % this year, and led the BVC in FT shooting...I think we were a bit tired perhaps but that is certainly understandable.

Yeah - you missed a wild game for sure! Hunter had ice in her viens when she made that shot and believe me, it was not an easy shot. The clock issue was actually 20 second error, not 10. Both teams caught some breaks...there were a million travel calls not made with a ton on #35. Although she is a nice player, I thought she really struggled all nighta gainst our press. Just not enough quickness to attack it. However, #20 seemed to handle it better, and then broke us down with her dribble penetration.

To foul or not to foul - that is the big question. Not sure I foul, but I am damn sure not letting Hunter see the ball regardless of where/who has the ball on inbounds.

Let's hope this "break" catapults us into Regionals and a much anticipated matchup with Ottoville. Love to see that game - I really think our pressure would be a difference maker with them, just as their size inside would be (if we let them break our pressure).

Till then - off to boys Sectional final game tonight and think I may even catch teh Vanlue/Ada game even though this sectional is a SPLIT SESSION - BOOOOO!

I think Arlington was feeling some nerves last night late in the game. Shooting free throws in games where you are up by 20 at halftime is much different than shooting them when the game is on the line in the closing minutes. To their credit, Arlington has only had a couple of games all season that were evencompetitive by the 4th quarter. Every point was critical in this game. Also remember that Arlington graduated 3-4 impact seniors last year, last night was the first significant playing time in a big game for some of these kids. If I recall, Holgate only had a couple of seniors, so they may be around for a few more years. In the end, Arlington's seniors came through.

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Common Sense, on 02 March 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

The official would count off 10 seconds, not look at the clock to look for 2:06.

Duuuuhhhhh.................... so it would take the official more than 12 seconds to count to 10?

[bballcat]

Holgate was on the halfcourt side so that wouldn't have been an issue. I just couldn't believe they ref's didn't even discuss the clock issue. All of us armchair caoches are saying the same thing about the three so We may never know if that was the intention of the coaches or not. Wven if you make her shoot three foul shots the chances of making all three wouldn't have been good.

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Snip, on 02 March 2012 - 12:08 PM, said:

Duuuuhhhhh.................... so it would take the official more than 12 seconds to count to 10?

What I'm trying to say is, if everyone is right and at least 10 seconds went by before the clock was started, and D.C. Boy says they just got over the half court line and stopped play with the clock actually having 2 seconds off, and 10 + 2 =12 then it should of been a 10 second backcourt violation.

[Mysterio]

bballcat, on 02 March 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

Holgate was on the halfcourt side so that wouldn't have been an issue. I just couldn't believe they ref's didn't even discuss the clock issue. All of us armchair caoches are saying the same thing about the three so We may never know if that was the intention of the coaches or not. Wven if you make her shoot three foul shots the chances of making all three wouldn't have been good.

You wouldn't foul someone when they are shooting a 3. You foul them once they get the ball to half court or not even that. Depending if they are in the bonus or not, they would be shooting a 1 and 1 or 2 free throws not 3. They would have to make the first and then miss the second plus gain the rebound. A lot more to do than just allowing them to shoot a three.

[bballcat]

I agree Mysterio. I guess I was putting it in worst case scenario.

[slice slice baby]

PostPlayer, on 02 March 2012 - 08:49 AM, said:

Surprised no one has mentioned this before now.

it has been, just not in this thread...and on the broadcast i was listening to, too.

[PostPlayer]

By the way, I confirmed with an official that you can add time to the clock when there is an error, but you cannot take time off the clock even if an error is recognized. I thought that was interesting.

COMMONSENSE: Not sure it was nerves, but no question fatique came into play when every possession is critical. Remember, both Reckers started on last year's team and Jessica Hunter also played significant minutes so I really see that it as our team is more seasoned than most heading into crunch time of tournament run. Holgate's two best players were seniors, with the left handed post player the only significant player returning, even though there are other young players that are role players. I also agree that our seniors pulled us through, particularly in the OT when we sank 10-11 FT's after struggling all night. Man, getting the first hoop of OT is HUGE.

[veteranlefty]

How bad did Arlington beat Leipsic in regular season....Arlington by 10+ on Saturday night??

[bambino]

Post, I think the official you talked to might want to read his rule book it states in the rule book 5-10-2 page 44-45 might be helpful.

[PostPlayer]

veteranlefty, on 02 March 2012 - 02:42 PM, said:

How bad did Arlington beat Leipsic in regular season....Arlington by 10+ on Saturday night??

Arlington 54
Leipsic 38
Dec 15 @ Leipsic

[Common Sense]

PostPlayer, on 02 March 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

By the way, I confirmed with an official that you can add time to the clock when there is an error, but you cannot take time off the clock even if an error is recognized. I thought that was interesting.

COMMONSENSE: Not sure it was nerves, but no question fatique came into play when every possession is critical. Remember, both Reckers started on last year's team and Jessica Hunter also played significant minutes so I really see that it as our team is more seasoned than most heading into crunch time of tournament run. Holgate's two best players were seniors, with the left handed post player the only significant player returning, even though there are other young players that are role players. I also agree that our seniors pulled us through, particularly in the OT when we sank 10-11 FT's after struggling all night. Man, getting the first hoop of OT is HUGE.

I would certainly think if there was 3 seconds left, and someone went the length of the floor and the timekeeper fell asleep, the officials could take that time off?? Not sure I agree with that.
I understand, but Brunswick, and Heacock handled the ball alot last year. I think Holgates post is going to be great moving forward.

[PostPlayer]

Agreed - Holgates sophomore post player is pretty good, and will get better. I liked #20 as well - she was very quick and good driving to hoop. Nothing to hang your head about if you are from Holgate...they pushed us to the max and nearly pulled it off.

[flounder]

Mysterio, on 02 March 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

You wouldn't foul someone when they are shooting a 3. You foul them once they get the ball to half court or not even that. Depending if they are in the bonus or not, they would be shooting a 1 and 1 or 2 free throws not 3. They would have to make the first and then miss the second plus gain the rebound. A lot more to do than just allowing them to shoot a three.

Sterio........

You are girls basetball saavy......I am thinking about asking you for advice in next years Rocketman and Flounder's rankings!!!!!!

[BlasT]

What a great game by two great teams... I thought Holgate was done at halftime... they sure proved me wrong. Kudos to them for an excellent come back. In regards to the clock malfunction/error... I do think it was a key error at the time, however, the reason they even noticed was when Holgate player and Arlington player got tangled up, the fans saw the clock hadn't started. IMO a jump ball should've been called, wasn't so Holgate got the ball out of bounds. If the jump ball was called, Poss. would've been Arlington's ball. Therefore, the 10 secs or w/e becomes 5, maybe less because Holgate kept the ball... Regardless, I have no affiliation with either team, just my opinion. Great game to watch!