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[dkusma96]

Not exactly sure why there is so much whining about white uniforms...

@OSU Yes, Mr. Koski explained both rhyme and reason. You may not like it or agree with it. Tough.

How many teams does this impact? OG had a yellow home kit the last few years. Anyone else?

[Goin2goal]

dkusma96, on 05 February 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

Not exactly sure why there is so much whining about white uniforms...

@OSU Yes, Mr. Koski explained both rhyme and reason. You may not like it or agree with it. Tough.

How many teams does this impact? OG had a yellow home kit the last few years. Anyone else?

Call it whining if you like....there many rules that should be addressed. This one right or wrong is very trivial. Refs need to worry more about educating themselves better and their own fitness and worry less about the color of team uniforms. Any color conflict should be handled between schools. I know OG contacted any school that might be in conflict with their yellow home uni....Wouldn't be suprised to see yellow become their new away kit if this rule sticks....!

[dkusma96]

Goin2goal, on 06 February 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

there many rules that should be addressed. This one right or wrong is very trivial

Such as............? You are correct that this is trivial and people shouldn't whine about it.

Goin2goal, on 06 February 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

Wouldn't be suprised to see yellow become their new away kit if this rule sticks....!

I would. Last time I checked yellow is not dark.

Goin2goal, on 06 February 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

Refs need to worry more about educating themselves better and their own fitness and worry less about the color of team uniforms.

Referees just enforce the laws of the game.

[gamekeeper]

Or stop hiring color blind refs

This is about as stupid as the rule in basketball that if you girls where head bands to keep their hair up they must all be the same color, and they must match the uniform. Because lord knows having to many different colored hair bands makes it tough to ref a game.

Really, even a team wears yellow and anther team wears light blue..It is still yellow and blue....
I was learned my colors back in preschool....(grammer still working on .)

Edited by gamekeeper, 09 February 2012 - 09:17 AM.

[Mysterio]

dkusma96, on 05 February 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

Not exactly sure why there is so much whining about white uniforms...

@OSU Yes, Mr. Koski explained both rhyme and reason. You may not like it or agree with it. Tough.

How many teams does this impact? OG had a yellow home kit the last few years. Anyone else?

Its a very good point most schools anymore just go with the white uniforms for home instead of the yellow, orange or whatever light color they use. According to the rule change, it will impact more schools than you think. I am under the impression (unless they have made some changes to this rule) that all white uniforms have to be solid white. No stripes or have any partial color on the uniforms. You can't even have a 1/8" stripe running down the side of your uniforms. If thats still true I am not ok with that. If they want to enforce the white uniforms for home and a darker color for away, thats fine with me. But to say it has to be a solid white with no other color (with the exception of numbers/team name) is a bit absurd. I don't think its really a big deal either. But if some schools just recently purcahsed new uniforms or schools that don't necessarily need new ones, then it might be to them.

Edited by Mysterio, 13 February 2012 - 10:19 AM.

[dkusma96]

Mysterio, on 13 February 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

According to the rule change, it will impact more schools than you think.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this has been in the works for a few years now so that schools could replace their home kit within a normal cycle.

[Mysterio]

dkusma96, on 14 February 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this has been in the works for a few years now so that schools could replace their home kit within a normal cycle.

Yes that is very true it has been in the discussions for I think 2 years. But what I'm saying is you asked what other schools would this impact besides O-G. Well just about every school unless your home kit is solid white with no stripe or any other color on it. I can't think of too many schools that don't have some sort of stripe or color other than white on their jersey (besides the numbers and lettering). Now I don't know exactly the specifics of the home jersey like I mentioned but thats just what I heard so I could be wrong.

[Demise]

Another rule change that I found intriguing is getting rid of the "soft red". Which now when a player gets booked for the second time that player is not allowed to be replaced. I think in all honesty thats a fair rule change.

[Goin2goal]

Demise, on 20 February 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

Another rule change that I found intriguing is getting rid of the "soft red". Which now when a player gets booked for the second time that player is not allowed to be replaced. I think in all honesty thats a fair rule change.

Not sure I support that...esp with the quality of officials! I most cases (not all) the soft red would be equivalent of fouling out of a basketball game. You don't see an ejection for two personal foul calls in football.

Good call Mysterio, on affecting all schools. The NF guy did say (if memory serves) that shorts could be colored....Which makes me wonder why even bother. Which brings me back to my original thought, if a school uses yellow (for example) for their home kit, it is their responsibility to make sure there is no conflict. If their is, it is their responsibility to change...

[dkusma96]

Demise, on 20 February 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

Another rule change that I found intriguing is getting rid of the "soft red". Which now when a player gets booked for the second time that player is not allowed to be replaced. I think in all honesty thats a fair rule change.

While it's a fair rule change consistent with FIFA, I do have reservations. I do agree that a team should play down a man if a player is sent off either "soft" or "hard," but does an red for cautions on a goal celebration and a blurted out "oh *******" warrant a 2 match ban?

On the whole however, I don't think it'll be too big a change. Players should simply adjust accordingly once they go into the book.

G2G, actually a football player/coach is ejected in for 2 personal fouls (unsportsmanlike conduct). You don't see a player ejected for two personal fouls in soccer, as there are no personal fouls in soccer.

[Mysterio]

Actually I believe the caution for goal celebration has been lifted. I could be wrong though but I thought I read it somewhere. I'll have to look more into it just to be sure though. Anyways about the "soft red" rule. I think it's a fair rule change and I like it. I don't think it's a major change but it could be more of a big deal than we think. I think it could very well change the outcome of certain games now. Like mentioned before you're going to have players simply adjust accordingly once they are booked that way they don't hurt their team with a second. Will we say more coaches take a certain player out if they are booked to avoid the possibility of playing one man down? Sometimes you see that in college or pros especially late in the game. I don't see that happening especially if that person is a leading scorer or top defender. But it is something to always think about late in the game.

[Mysterio]

Goin2goal, on 21 February 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

Good call Mysterio, on affecting all schools. The NF guy did say (if memory serves) that shorts could be colored....Which makes me wonder why even bother. Which brings me back to my original thought, if a school uses yellow (for example) for their home kit, it is their responsibility to make sure there is no conflict. If their is, it is their responsibility to change...

Ya I just don't see the need of change. All it takes is communication and observation to make this work. I remember about 7 years ago a home team wore yellow for their home kit and the visiting team happen to wear yellow as well. So the home team had to wear pinnies. Now that easily couldve been solved with a little communication or observation on the coaches part. Basically this is what the rule change consists of in case no one has read the memo:

"The current NFHS rule is that the home team is to wear “white or light” colored shirts and socks. There is
no restriction on the color of the shorts. The 2013 change requires that the home team wear all white
shirts and socks. In other words, the light color option is going away. Of course, the numbers, school
name, player name and any other markings should be in a contrasting color. “All white” excludes any
colored side panels, colored piping around the sleeves or neck, etc. Obviously, this also prohibits shirts
with stripes as a home uniform."

Just not a big fan that the uniforms have to be "all white" but oh well it is what it is.

[crew_ton]

Actually the "soft red" rule was a relatively recent development. FIFA and USSF have never recognized that rule, it was purely a NFHS incarnation. I dont necessarily disagree with the idea behind it but I understand why they would rid themselves of it. There are already too many differences between NFHS and the rest of the world in soccer. If they really wanted to make a change to improve the game they would institute the "Blue Card" from indoor. It allows the referee to send a player off of the field for 2 minutes to calm down or remedy their attitude/behavior. As an official I would love to be able to utilize this as a means to keep control of the match. As a coach though I could see the need for a limit to the ability to use this, i.e. the last 5 minutes of a half or match.

Edited by crew_ton, 22 February 2012 - 04:19 PM.

[dkusma96]

crew_ton, on 22 February 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

Actually the "soft red" rule was a relatively recent development. FIFA and USSF have never recognized that rule, it was purely a NFHS incarnation. I dont necessarily disagree with the idea behind it but I understand why they would rid themselves of it. There are already too many differences between NFHS and the rest of the world in soccer. If they really wanted to make a change to improve the game they would institute the "Blue Card" from indoor. It allows the referee to send a player off of the field for 2 minutes to calm down or remedy their attitude/behavior. As an official I would love to be able to utilize this as a means to keep control of the match. As a coach though I could see the need for a limit to the ability to use this, i.e. the last 5 minutes of a half or match.

A "blue card" rule would be extremely cumbersome. It would require a 3rd or 4th official to simply manage players coming in and out of the penalty box. It would cause confusion among players, coaches and officials alike on what is a simple foul, what's a blue, what's a caution, ect. The delays in play would be very annoying to everyone.

The impact would be really negligible as being a man down for 2 minutes is not really a big deal in the high school outdoor game. Lastly, officials already have all the tools they need to control a game: 1. A whistle. 2. A mouth. 3. A card to caution. 4. A card to send off.

[Mysterio]

Ya I agree no blue card for me either. Indoor is so simple because you are dealing with a smaller area and less people on the field just like hockey. Even adding another official or two would still be difficult and cause more destractions to the game. Let the sport be physical no need to send someone off for a ticky tack foul.

[Gview]

I don't agree with the uniform rule. While you think most schools change out uniforms every 3 or 4 years, some schools simply cannot afford this. We go through great links to salvage our uniforms for 5-6 years.

The "soft" red I have mixed feelings on. But would not argue either way, because I can see both sides, and they are valid points.

[whatdoiknow]

Things like this are what is wrong with Soccer. The need to stand out wearing different colored shoes and now complaining about a rule that every other sport already has demonstrates many who follow the sport care more about individualism and less about the ultimate goal of winning. Work on your skills instead of planning how you can stand out or look good.