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[alaskan]

If ACME has little reflection on talent, how is it the Defiance and Shawnee make runs in the tournament? The same programs that seem to fair quite well in the WBL season. Didn't Kime show up for ACME tournament play? I could be wrong.

[lepiota]

If ACME has little reflection on talent, how is it the Defiance and Shawnee make runs in the tournament? The same programs that seem to fair quite well in the WBL season. Didn't Kime show up for ACME tournament play? I could be wrong.

I know in the past few years you could account for all of the Bath baseball players either playing Legion or ACME. That was the template for my position. Maybe Topflight is saying that the kids from the surrounding schools are playing travel ball, therefore weakening the competition during the summer. Maybe someone from one of the other WBL schools could let us know what Pct. of your kids play ACME and Legion

[topflightxl3]

As for Roob's "abrassive" coaching style, listen these kids need to quit being babied, Coach Roob didnt baby players because they shouldnt be. This is high school athletics, its time for these kids to get off there mothers teet and start taking responsiblity for their own actions. Also about the shawnee and defiance comment, shawnee doesnt allow there underclassman to play any other ball than acme in the summer. If there going to play for a travel team of legion its usually a real struggle with the coach, so they usually have a majority of their starters, and for defiance, they have a solid pitching staff, all the way through, thats a lot of talent being involved, pitching is something bath isn't to deep in.

[lepiota]

As for Roob's "abrassive" coaching style, listen these kids need to quit being babied, Coach Roob didnt baby players because they shouldnt be. This is high school athletics, its time for these kids to get off there mothers teet and start taking responsiblity for their own actions. Also about the shawnee and defiance comment, shawnee doesnt allow there underclassman to play any other ball than acme in the summer. If there going to play for a travel team of legion its usually a real struggle with the coach, so they usually have a majority of their starters, and for defiance, they have a solid pitching staff, all the way through, thats a lot of talent being involved, pitching is something bath isn't to deep in.

So we get back to my original premise; If Shawnee and Defiance play their kids in ACME and Legion, and we beat them in ACME and our kids do as good or better than theirs in Legion, then why do we win in the summer and lose in the spring?

[chapstick 37]

So we get back to my original premise; If Shawnee and Defiance play their kids in ACME and Legion, and we beat them in ACME and our kids do as good or better than theirs in Legion, then why do we win in the summer and lose in the spring?

I dont think Bath has played Defiance in ACME in a while, other than the state tournament. For your answer to why we do we not win in the spring here is an example. lets say Defiance has every one on their spring team play ACME except for Kime and bath has everyone and bath beats Defiance. Well come spring time Kime is back on the team and beats bath. in the WBL one dominant player on a team, usually pitcher, can be a big impact on the turnout of a game. Although baseball is and always will be a team sport, Having one strong pitcher is vital in hte WBL and haVing 2 is special. This is why summer ball should not really reflect a spring team.

[lepiota]

I dont think Bath has played Defiance in ACME in a while, other than the state tournament. For your answer to why we do we not win in the spring here is an example. lets say Defiance has every one on their spring team play ACME except for Kime and bath has everyone and bath beats Defiance. Well come spring time Kime is back on the team and beats bath. in the WBL one dominant player on a team, usually pitcher, can be a big impact on the turnout of a game. Although baseball is and always will be a team sport, Having one strong pitcher is vital in hte WBL and haVing 2 is special. This is why summer ball should not really reflect a spring team.

That's the answer I was looking for. I understand the impact travel ball could have on your ACME teams, I just didnt know how common it was for kids to play travel ball instead of ACME. Does Bath, Shawnee, or Elida have kids playing travel instead of ACME?

[topflightxl3]

Shawnee had two kids play for Greenville, which is a realy nice travel team, more exposure to college scouts ect. as for bath they had one play travel ball but most of the time they have a few kids on the legion roster, elida has been down a little bit recently, last year i dont believe they had anyone on the legion team and unlikely for them to have anyone that went and played travel ball. Some coaches feels its better to just have there athletes play acme because of team unity and such, however leagion along with travel ball is higher competition and what ultimately is going to make these kids reach there full potential. Sure a kid can hit .500 in acme, but that same kid is prob going to struggle to be an above .300 hitter for a higher level.

[chapstick 37]

That's the answer I was looking for. I understand the impact travel ball could have on your ACME teams, I just didnt know how common it was for kids to play travel ball instead of ACME. Does Bath, Shawnee, or Elida have kids playing travel instead of ACME?

I know bath had a couple and shawnee had one or two....i am not sure about elida...i know at shawnee the coach does not like underclassmen to play travel ball but some go ahead and do

[lepiota]

I know bath had a couple and shawnee had one or two....i am not sure about elida...i know at shawnee the coach does not like underclassmen to play travel ball but some go ahead and do

I didn't know about the Bath kids-good for them- does anyone know who they are? I know Tyler Black played when he was in middle school

Edited by lepiota, 20 November 2009 - 12:12 PM.

[chapstick 37]

I didn't know about the Bath kids-good for them- does anyone know who they are? I know Tyler Black played when he was in middle school

black played legion and simindinger played for a travel wood bat team out of indiana

[lepiota]

black played legion and simindinger played for a travel wood bat team out of indiana

Thanks Chapstick. You are the man with the answers

[Knuckles]

At Defiance, Coach Held allows his players to play Legion ball or on a travel team but once tournament time comes around...... they are needed back on the team. I know that exceptions have been made to the rule and that sometimes if a kid is in a showcase they work around that too. Just depends on the caliber of player, the situation and what their potential is to contribute toward the ACME team.

If my kid was offered the option of playing on a top travel then I would pick that - as it would help him out tremendously in the spring. But it also hinders a team concept when one player "leaves" the team to pursue their own individual needs. It's a double edged sword.

[lepiota]

At Defiance, Coach Held allows his players to play Legion ball or on a travel team but once tournament time comes around...... they are needed back on the team. I know that exceptions have been made to the rule and that sometimes if a kid is in a showcase they work around that too. Just depends on the caliber of player, the situation and what their potential is to contribute toward the ACME team.

If my kid was offered the option of playing on a top travel then I would pick that - as it would help him out tremendously in the spring. But it also hinders a team concept when one player "leaves" the team to pursue their own individual needs. It's a double edged sword.

So true. There is also a resentment from those not playing travel ball. The kid is told that he is not a team player and that he only thinks of himself. I would say that if travel ball is ok for Coach Held, it would be hard to argue with a guy that has had his success.

[DC/MS]

Any update on the coaching position?

[lepiota]

Any update on the coaching position?

Jesko is now head coach.

[67Chevy]

So true. There is also a resentment from those not playing travel ball. The kid is told that he is not a team player and that he only thinks of himself. I would say that if travel ball is ok for Coach Held, it would be hard to argue with a guy that has had his success.

I guess it depends on what the player is looking for. Playing upper level travel baseball is going to go much further in the development of a player than playing Acme....no comparision. If a kid wants to play baseball after HS, he should do whatever he can to make that a priority. I can't imagine a varsity coach not wanting his kids to play at the highest level possible in the summer, it's got to make his varsity team stronger.