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#21 Prince

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 08:24 AM

Thank you Outspoken, some people take these rankings a little too far!! It's simply the team's in "our area" that are doing the best this year, against the schedule they have been given. These kids can't help that Lima Senior or Findlay isn't on their schedule.


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Posted 21 February 2018 - 07:31 PM

View PostPrince, on 21 February 2018 - 08:24 AM, said:

Thank you Outspoken, some people take these rankings a little too far!! It's simply the team's in "our area" that are doing the best this year, against the schedule they have been given. These kids can't help that Lima Senior or Findlay isn't on their schedule.

Nobody is taking it ďtoo farĒ. Itís just people expressing opinions. Ive shared my opinions about these rankings plenty of times as Iíve never seen the point But my problem is when someone else gives an opinion on whoís better like Rocketman did and you make a mockery of it. Thatís taking it too far. If he thinks Lima Sr is better than most of those teams then thatís his opinion. If you donít thatís yours. But instead of making a mockery of it, debate it. Because how do we know whoís better? Division 1 teams play mainly division 1 teams and division 2 teams mainly play division 2 teams and so on. So the schedules are way unbalanced. So thereís a lot open to debate. Nothing against you in general, thatís just my opinion.

Edited by Mysterio, 22 February 2018 - 07:37 AM.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 07:32 PM

View PostOutspoken, on 21 February 2018 - 08:18 AM, said:

I donít know why some folks canít understand what you say Prince? It seems pretty logical to me. Of course Lima Sr and Miller City arenít gonna play and wouldnít play! Some people are just missing your point I think. Appreciate the rankings. Looking forward to Tournament as always! Letís all enjoy these games!

And what pont is that? All thatís going on here is someone giving controversial rankings and people expressing opinions. Whatís wrong with that? Appreciate the opinions, because without them this site would be dead.

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 11:15 AM

View PostMysterio, on 21 February 2018 - 07:31 PM, said:

Nobody is taking it "too far". It's just people expressing opinions. Ive shared my opinions about these rankings plenty of times as I've never seen the point But my problem is when someone else gives an opinion on who's better like Rocketman did and you make a mockery of it. That's taking it too far. If he thinks Lima Sr is better than most of those teams then that's his opinion. If you don't that's yours. But instead of making a mockery of it, debate it. Because how do we know who's better? Division 1 teams play mainly division 1 teams and division 2 teams mainly play division 2 teams and so on. So the schedules are way unbalanced. So there's a lot open to debate. Nothing against you in general, that's just my opinion.

Here's the issue.....and Prince just said it....he's ranking his teams based on "how they are doing against their own schedule.". You (Mysterio) are debating who's the best as far as a true ranking. Prince isn't ranking his teams based on that....which is probably where some of the disagreements stem from. So while Lima senior may be a good team when thrown into other D3 and D4 teams, they are a very average D1 school....which therefore means they do not fall in Prince's rankings.

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 12:19 PM

Mysterio, I get what youíre saying now. Also, not a thing wrong with debate. Part of the fun

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 07:08 PM

View PostWeekendWarrior, on 22 February 2018 - 11:15 AM, said:



Here's the issue.....and Prince just said it....he's ranking his teams based on "how they are doing against their own schedule.". You (Mysterio) are debating who's the best as far as a true ranking. Prince isn't ranking his teams based on that....which is probably where some of the disagreements stem from. So while Lima senior may be a good team when thrown into other D3 and D4 teams, they are a very average D1 school....which therefore means they do not fall in Prince's rankings.

Donít you rank teams according to who you think is the best though? I mean why does it matter for example if PG is doing better with their schedule than Lima Senior? Donít we want to know who the better teams are? I know I do. No offense to Prince or what he knows but the only thing that matters is whoís better. Not whoís doing better with their schedule. Anyone can see that based on their record. You donít rank teams based on the better records. Because the better records doesnít always mean they are better. Of course PG would be doing better with their schedule because itís easy compared to Lima Sr or Findlayís. I mean I was never a fan of ranking teams in all the divisions together. But if you are going to, do it using more data. Like scheduling, performances, take into consideration on the divisions, etc. because truth be told, Lima Sr and Findlay are probably better than a lot of these bottom teams on the list like Rocketman said and probably even better than PG.
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Posted 22 February 2018 - 07:17 PM

View PostOutspoken, on 22 February 2018 - 12:19 PM, said:

Mysterio, I get what youíre saying now. Also, not a thing wrong with debate. Part of the fun

No by all means not. And it should be fun as long as the name calling stays away. I donít want anyone to take offense to what I said, Iím just expressing my opinion on how I think rankings should be done. All is good.
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Posted 23 February 2018 - 02:21 PM

View PostMysterio, on 22 February 2018 - 07:08 PM, said:

Don't you rank teams according to who you think is the best though? I mean why does it matter for example if PG is doing better with their schedule than Lima Senior? Don't we want to know who the better teams are? I know I do. No offense to Prince or what he knows but the only thing that matters is who's better. Not who's doing better with their schedule. Anyone can see that based on their record. You don't rank teams based on the better records. Because the better records doesn't always mean they are better. Of course PG would be doing better with their schedule because it's easy compared to Lima Sr or Findlay's. I mean I was never a fan of ranking teams in all the divisions together. But if you are going to, do it using more data. Like scheduling, performances, take into consideration on the divisions, etc. because truth be told, Lima Sr and Findlay are probably better than a lot of these bottom teams on the list like Rocketman said and probably even better than PG.

I agree with you that's how it should be done. However, they're not my rankings and so I was just just helping to clarify some of the discussion. However, if you don't take some of Prince's method into consideration, then you'd only have a very limited number of D4 teams in the top 15. D1-D3 would dominate the rankings and you'd limit your discussion from the community.

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 02:42 PM

My point exactly this whole time Warrior, THANK YOU!! From the very beginning i've only done local teams and i will continue to do only local teams. I'm not saying I don't care about those Toledo teams or other schools that are good, but i'm keeping stuff local because we are all more familiar with them.

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 03:18 PM

View PostPrince, on 23 February 2018 - 02:42 PM, said:

My point exactly this whole time Warrior, THANK YOU!! From the very beginning i've only done local teams and i will continue to do only local teams. I'm not saying I don't care about those Toledo teams or other schools that are good, but i'm keeping stuff local because we are all more familiar with them.

Make the ranking -1-2 & 3-4 divisions then. I love the rankings. Geez everybody knows most schools could not beat LSH. Why are some people so pickee? I think the rankings are great, better than nothing. If you don't like them, then don't look at them. Only look at the state rankings, if you do not like the ones on here. It is just something interesting to think about. Have a great basketball weekend. Thank you, Prince.

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 05:29 PM

View Postvon, on 23 February 2018 - 03:18 PM, said:



Make the ranking -1-2 & 3-4 divisions then. I love the rankings. Geez everybody knows most schools could not beat LSH. Why are some people so pickee? I think the rankings are great, better than nothing. If you don't like them, then don't look at them. Only look at the state rankings, if you do not like the ones on here. It is just something interesting to think about. Have a great basketball weekend. Thank you, Prince.

Itís ok to have an opinion. Thatís what this site is all about. Without them this site would be dead. Doing rankings like this opens the door for a lot of opinions and nitpicking. If everyone knows LSH would beat most schools then why are they not on this list?

Edited by Mysterio, 23 February 2018 - 05:32 PM.

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 05:45 PM

View PostWeekendWarrior, on 23 February 2018 - 02:21 PM, said:



I agree with you that's how it should be done. However, they're not my rankings and so I was just just helping to clarify some of the discussion. However, if you don't take some of Prince's method into consideration, then you'd only have a very limited number of D4 teams in the top 15. D1-D3 would dominate the rankings and you'd limit your discussion from the community.

You rank teams based on whoís the best no matter what the record is no matter what division. If only 2 division 4 teams are on it then so what. I obviously donít understand the methods behind this. Like all rankings i want to see whoís the best. I may not agree with these, I may not understand these and I may think they literally are the most pointless rankings ever. But if thatís how he wants to do them ok whatever. But because of this controversial format, you are gonna have difference of opinions. And people should not be mocked or laughed at for disagreeing. Thatís the only reason why I ever chimed in on this.

Edited by Mysterio, 23 February 2018 - 06:36 PM.

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 07:12 PM

View PostMysterio, on 23 February 2018 - 05:45 PM, said:

You rank teams based on who's the best no matter what the record is no matter what division. If only 2 division 4 teams are on it then so what. I obviously don't understand the methods behind this. Like all rankings i want to see who's the best. I may not agree with these, I may not understand these and I may think they literally are the most pointless rankings ever. But if that's how he wants to do them ok whatever. But because of this controversial format, you are gonna have difference of opinions. And people should not be mocked or laughed at for disagreeing. That's the only reason why I ever chimed in on this.

Well said.

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 07:13 PM

View Postvon, on 23 February 2018 - 07:12 PM, said:



Well said.

Thanks von
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Posted 23 February 2018 - 09:18 PM

View PostMysterio, on 23 February 2018 - 07:13 PM, said:

Thanks von

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