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[orange pants]

What is the deal with Elida volleyball someone please help me out here .Sounds like there is a bunch of girls that have played for yrs are gona hang it up what a freeken shame .To much BS going on and not to many wins either . Hope some changes are made before next season

[moanygroany]

Their not the only program that is struggling - what about Bath?? I am sure it will be a toss-up when they play Bath in the sectionals.

[orange pants]

Their not the only program that is struggling - what about Bath?? I am sure it will be a toss-up when they play Bath in the sectionals.

Well moany 3 and out for the lady dawgs last nite Here is how the yr went Vr.8-15 Jv.4-17 fresh. 4-14 Good thing is 7th grade was 14-3 an 8th grade was 10-8 good for the jr high

[milt73]

orange pants, you must be volunteering yourself to coach next season?

[9-1]

Is King a good coach?

[milt73]

^^^wether or not he's a good coach, it's always hilarious and/or sad when a parent/student or whoever goes on a high school sports forum to complain about a coach, especially when they really don't have their name attached to their comments. There are many avenues to resolve whatever issues you might have and I can assure you complaining on an anonymous website isn't one of them.

[dawgbone]

The biggest problem with volleyball at Elida as with many area schools is over-expectation. You can't expect championships unless all the girls, not just some, get involved in off-season improvement. i.e., they have to play club ball. It is in that work that they become better individual volleyball players. Elida is competitive, but will never be able to beat the top WBL teams until they, like OG, Celina, St.Marys, etc,. have all players in clubs during the off-season. And this has to start by the 5th grade. Until recent years, Elida didn't have 5th and 6th graders playing even during the volleyball season. A program just can't progress if you don't start playing until 7th grade. Coach King has the program headed in the right direction....but there's a long way to go. Like I said, they are and will be competitive. But don't expect championships until a higher level of athlete consistently comes into the program.

[orange pants]

1st of all dawgbone you do NOT have to play in club volleyball in order to be competitive. Several of the players on the Elida teams also play softball which conflicts with club volleyball. Which in turn affects their playing time during season because King will hold it against you as a player if you do not play club for any of his buddies. Sure is funny that during the mid 80's-mid 90's that Elida was very competitive and at the top of the WBL without ANYONE playing on a club vball team. Headed in the right direction...sure isn't! Going to take a lot more than club volleyball for that to happen anytime soon.

milt73~ I guarantee I know of some coaches that would LOVE to have the program, but at Elida if a staff member applies for the job they get it whether they can coach or not!

Edited by orange pants, 10 August 2011 - 05:34 PM.

[NDLOVER]

I love this conversation. Basicly what is being said is HS coaches don't want to or don't know how to develop skills anymore. They rely on "clubs" to do it in the offseason. Seeing it in all sports. Sad state of affairs for HS coaches IMO. Would love to be an owner of a club, sure they make more than any HS coach!

[Dark Knight]

Back in the 80s' and early 90's FEW teams had any players that played club, (making it a fair playing field for all) so Elida having athletes would compete with everybody. Now, the championship teams have all players playing club so if you do not have club players it will be a struggle to be league champions as the consistent powerhouses are playing VB 8 to 9 months out of the year if not more. NOT saying I agree with it because it turns sports (all sports) into an unfair balance of have and have nots. Those families that have the money to shell out for AAU teams in basketball and club teams in volleyball, spring soccer etc...for the most part have an unfair advantage over families that do not have the resources or the proximity to club organizations.
JMO.....

[orange pants]

Very well said Dark Knight! With having kids that are in more than one sport it is very hard to have them do club vball too. Plus the financial aspect is CRAZY!! As much as I want my kids to be successful athletes, I want them to enjoy their childhood too and not have sports shoved down their throats!!

Edited by orange pants, 10 August 2011 - 06:01 PM.

[milt73]

Fellas/ladies, If 75% of the kids that play in your high school program are not playing club volleyball, the high school program is going to be behind the programs that have their kids play club. Like someone else said, if you do not develop those skills 5-6th grade, you're already two years behind everyone else. It is the way the sport of volleyball has been for years.

NDLOVER, you're completely off base with your argument. Think about it in common sense terms. If you have a kid getting touches 9 months out of the year and a kid who gets touches 4 months out of the year? If they started out at the same skill level, who's going to be better?

It's an interesting thing that you guys go from 'King's a horrible coach' to 'King doesn't like kids who don't play club' to 'club's great but kids shouldn't do it because it ruins their childhood and create's an unfair advantage to our kids who don't play club.' and on and on and on. I honestly don't understand your argument. A good coach wants his kids to play club ball, period.

You honestly think that a coach is going to play 'worse' kids than the 'better' ones because the kid that isn't as good plays club and the other not? A coach isn't going to sacrifice W's for that.

Orange pants, ndlover, darkknight, question. If your kids wanted to play club because it's what they wanted to do, would you let them or would you not because you thought it was being shoved down their throat?

Edited by milt73, 11 August 2011 - 01:05 PM.

[dawgbone]

Orange Pants....if you re-read my post, I said Elida is competitive and never said you have to play club volleyball to be competitive. They'll just never win championships against teams whose players are playing volleyball 9 months of the year. You have to be realistic in your expectations. I think it's great if kids choose to play other sports. But, realize that in choosing other sports, volleyball will not and cannot be played at the same level as those who choose to play just volleyball.

I'm not saying which is right. It depends on the individuals involved. But alter your expectations according to the input. If only some players are playing club and others are choosing other sports, expect to be competitive and expect good solid play. But championships are going to be tough to win.

Now, if the kids get on the floor and their skills are horrible and they don't look like they know what they're doing, that's a coaching problem. I have seen Elida play several times. That's not the problem with Elida. I think Coach King is doing a good job with his kids. That's why I said the problem in Elida is over-expectation.

[NDLOVER]

Milt73- Have seen situations where kids have played club and still do not get the playing time. Not fun to talk to parent when this happens. If kid wants to play club and enjoys it will allow them to participate. All they have to say is no and will put an end to it. Agree there is lots more to life than sports.

Still believe that hs coaches expect certain skill levels due to clubs and when they don't get it really don't know how to handle it. Have seen several "athletes" with great potential either ride the pine or see little playing time cause coach will not spend the time in practice to develop them. These kids either can't afford clubs or play multiple sports and time does not allow the clubs!

[Dark Knight]

If my son/daughter wanted to play a club sport, I would allow them to as long as it did not interfere with their high school studies or activities. Generally speaking, if he/she did play a club sport, he/she would not be participating in at least one of the sports seasons at the high school level. I would definitely encourage them to play club if that were the only sport they played. Do I agree with it--still the answer is no because it does create inequality among the schools in the OHSAA--the families that have thout it.e resources to spend on club will succeed--no doubt about it.

[dawgbone]

I agree, Dark Knight. But we live in a time when the opportunity for individual improvement comes from working hard in the off-season; i.e. club volleyball. And I also know that playing club doesn't necessarily mean you'll be a superior volleyball player. But, when looking at the championship teams in nearly every league, they are composed of kids who play club ball in the off season. It's not that coaches can't work with non-club players because an awful lot of the high school coaches coach club teams as well.

[Dark Knight]

Agreed.

[alaskan]

I have one that plays club...and travels for another sport. The part I dislike about all of it is the parent has to become a full time politician. You have your local school BS and the club BS. It is tough to juggle one, very tough to juggle two sports. If your kid shows interest and talent in both, it is sad some of the choices they have to make because of some egocentric coach...and believe me...as many parents who think their kid is the next superstar....there are just as many coaches who think they(themselves) are headed to the hall of fame.

Whoever mentioned that there are a lot of coaches who want to just rely on clubs to teach technique etc. hit it dead on.

[NDLOVER]

Thanks Alaskan! 1st time anyone has agreed with me on the corner. You said it much better than I did.