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[buckeyesfan]

LCC wins. Great game played by both teams. Lcc wins first 2 games, O-G the 3rd & 4th, and Lcc the 5th. Unfortunately there were a few Lcc dads that acted like fools. They game was stopped for a few seconds while the line judge had to tell them to settle down.

[charliesheen]

buckeyesfan, on 31 August 2011 - 08:04 AM, said:

LCC wins. Great game played by both teams. Lcc wins first 2 games, O-G the 3rd & 4th, and Lcc the 5th. Unfortunately there were a few Lcc dads that acted like fools. They game was stopped for a few seconds while the line judge had to tell them to settle down.

I'll agree....it was pretty comical. Line judge makes a call standing 4 feet from where the ball came down and 2 guys in the stands 50 feet away start going ballistic. Thought the ref was probably going to toss them. Kind of surprised he didn't.

[dawgbone]

Also comical....someone taking the name of Charlie Sheen and commenting on the behavior of others...

[von]

The line judge has no authority to chastise fans. Are you talking about the R-2, who is the official next to the net? Line judges are volunteers. Or are you talking about the R-1 on the ladder? Parents are parents, they know everything, but really know nothing officiating......

[milt73]

looks like OG will have the rematch that they wanted from earlier in the season. Could be a great matchup.

[CG Pride]

von, on 01 September 2011 - 12:37 AM, said:

The line judge has no authority to chastise fans. Are you talking about the R-2, who is the official next to the net? Line judges are volunteers. Or are you talking about the R-1 on the ladder? Parents are parents, they know everything, but really know nothing officiating......

The line judges in tournament are officials, not volunteers.

[charliesheen]

Just to add to this story. LCC won tonight's match vs OG when an LCC parent doing the line judging blew a call on match point. The ball was 4-6 inches from even touching the line. He first motioned "in" then changed to "out"....then got out of the gym faster than Usain Bolt. Even the LCC players on the bench right near the call were stunned for a few moments. Not sure if it was one of the clowns from last year or not....but if it was, he proved for a second year in a row he has no clue about volleyball....lol

[milt73]

charliesheen, on 28 August 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:

Just to add to this story. LCC won tonight's match vs OG when an LCC parent doing the line judging blew a call on match point. The ball was 4-6 inches from even touching the line. He first motioned "in" then changed to "out"....then got out of the gym faster than Usain Bolt. Even the LCC players on the bench right near the call were stunned for a few moments. Not sure if it was one of the clowns from last year or not....but if it was, he proved for a second year in a row he has no clue about volleyball....lol

From my viewpoint, 2nd row from the top in the middle, it was a close call and could have went either way. If the Up official thinks the line judge missed the call, they can over-rule the line judge and call it as they had seen it. Or a replay.

Now, we should really talk about the 'missed' 4 contact on OG's side of the net not even 5 seconds before the line call. Hypothetically speaking, if the UP official called the 4 contacts, the game would have been over already. Let's also say, hypothetically, that the line judge called it in and it made the score 14-14. At that point, there is still atleast 2 points to be had to win the game on either side of the net.

OG was up 23-22 in the 4th game but lost 25-23. Missed opportunity?

Let's also discuss for whatever reason, the OG coaches DID NOT shake hands with ANY of the LCC players. When the OG Head Coach got to LCC's head coach, she repeatedly yelled at him about the line call then turned away without shaking his hand. Sportsmanship?

[titan73]

Well at least the Titans don't have to have the line judges and officials to win their games for them! They rely only on their hard work and talent. And if you want to talk about being good sports, I would also take ANY OG fan over an LCC fan any day. LCC fans are rude and obnixous. I was at the OG \ LCC game last year at OG and saw the whole issue with the line judge and the rude FATHERS from LCC. And this is supposed to shoe good sportsmanship? Keep up the good work OG Volleyball! You will do just fine this season!!!

[doslobos]

titan73, on 30 August 2012 - 08:01 PM, said:

Well at least the Titans don't have to have the line judges and officials to win their games for them! They rely only on their hard work and talent. And if you want to talk about being good sports, I would also take ANY OG fan over an LCC fan any day. LCC fans are rude and obnixous. I was at the OG \ LCC game last year at OG and saw the whole issue with the line judge and the rude FATHERS from LCC. And this is supposed to shoe good sportsmanship? Keep up the good work OG Volleyball! You will do just fine this season!!!

Are you dense?

If it wasn't for the missed 4 contacts by OG on the decisive point, the potentially missed call by the line judge would have never happened. So, explain to us how only LCC "has to have the line judges win their games" and OG "works for their wins" while both teams benefited from missed calls on that point (with OG's coming first, mind you)?

Furthermore, to imply that OG players work harder for their wins than LCC's was even more moronic than your comment about line judges winning the game for LCC.

And finally, each and every school has obnoxious fans. Usually, the better you are the more you have because you simply have more fans in general. If you watch any LCC-OG basketball game you'd see this on display very clearly, from both sides mind you. However, coaches need to be above that. They are responsible for setting the tone for their team and setting an example. Not shaking hands, no matter how you lost, is simply inexcusable. It doesn't mean the coach is a bad person, but that she simply made an obvious error in judgment. To even argue otherwise would be asinine.

Edited by doslobos, 30 August 2012 - 08:46 PM.

[doslobos]

titan73, on 30 August 2012 - 08:01 PM, said:

Well at least the Titans don't have to have the line judges and officials to win their games for them! They rely only on their hard work and talent. And if you want to talk about being good sports, I would also take ANY OG fan over an LCC fan any day. LCC fans are rude and obnixous. I was at the OG \ LCC game last year at OG and saw the whole issue with the line judge and the rude FATHERS from LCC. And this is supposed to shoe good sportsmanship? Keep up the good work OG Volleyball! You will do just fine this season!!!

Maybe this a member of the famed OG posse, lol. That would surely explain the thought process, or lack thereof, behind that post.

[lima ball]

titan73, on 30 August 2012 - 08:01 PM, said:

Well at least the Titans don't have to have the line judges and officials to win their games for them! They rely only on their hard work and talent. And if you want to talk about being good sports, I would also take ANY OG fan over an LCC fan any day. LCC fans are rude and obnixous. I was at the OG \ LCC game last year at OG and saw the whole issue with the line judge and the rude FATHERS from LCC. And this is supposed to shoe good sportsmanship? Keep up the good work OG Volleyball! You will do just fine this season!!!

titan73, on 30 August 2012 - 08:01 PM, said:

Well at least the Titans don't have to have the line judges and officials to win their games for them! They rely only on their hard work and talent. And if you want to talk about being good sports, I would also take ANY OG fan over an LCC fan any day. LCC fans are rude and obnixous. I was at the OG \ LCC game last year at OG and saw the whole issue with the line judge and the rude FATHERS from LCC. And this is supposed to shoe good sportsmanship? Keep up the good work OG Volleyball! You will do just fine this season!!!

The coach should be the one to show the sportsmanship first, before any parent, fan, player. Yelling at the coach for a call made by an official (volunteer or paid) is uncalled for and not shaking any of the players hands then slapping the coaches hand as she yelled at him really teaches the kids how to act correctly. In or out (good or bad) learn how to be a good loser. In life you will have more letdowns and worse let downs than a call in a regular season game at any level.
OG had multiple oppurtunities to finish off LCC, and couldn't do it, so to be that upset about one call is crazy!! They had to win one of three games and didn't end of story, so to blame a whole match on one point?? Sorry you have nothing to complain about, even if it is the last point of the match.

[doslobos]

lima ball, on 30 August 2012 - 08:54 PM, said:

OG had multiple oppurtunities to finish off LCC, and couldn't do it, so to be that upset about one call is crazy!! They had to win one of three games and didn't end of story, so to blame a whole match on one point?? Sorry you have nothing to complain about, even if it is the last point of the match.

Exactly, especially when the point in question had a non-call that went in favor of OG before the line call that went in favor of LCC.

But like you said, OG had plenty of chances. They completely dominated LCC the first two games before letting up and losing the last three. Maybe their coach was so upset because she failed to make any adjustments, motivational or tactical, that would have resulted in a win.

As an LCC fan, I don't think they played particularly well at any point, but it was encouraging to see them fight back and grind out a victory. It's easy to play hard when things are going right, but it says a lot about a team that continues to fight while things aren't going right.

[charliesheen]

OG's coach was still talking to the officials while the teams shook hands. She didn't "not shake hands" with the LCC girls like you guys are stating. She also didn't "yell" at LCC's coach. They know each other well. She had a look of disbelief on her face yes, but was in no way yelling at him. The "slapping hands" comment was exactly that....two coaches who understood that their kids left it all on the floor, regardless of the outcome. If you're going to bash coaches....at least try to be factual....and not make up 90% of the story.

Also, if you're going to bring up every "non-call", lets go back to 5-4 in the 5th game. OG hits a ball from 4 feet off the net. It's OBVIOUS to everyone in the gym...INCLUDING THE LCC GIRL AT THE NET.....that she touched it....but the up judge didn't see it, even though it was 3 feet in front of him. He looks to the line judge....who is comically doing some kind of little dance down at the corner of the court to conveniently make it look like he didn't see anything. He shrugs his shoulders with an "I have no idea" look and the point goes to LCC making it 6-4 instead of 5-5. Couple that with the last point and OG wins 15-13.

If you're going to throw stones.......they're going to come back at you just as hard fellas.

Edited by charliesheen, 30 August 2012 - 10:04 PM.

[doslobos]

You are dead right about the LCC girl hitting the net. Furthermore, I saw at least two foot fouls on serves by each team that the line judges weren't paying attention to. Seeing as how I only could see one half of the court as it pertains to such calls and that I admittedly only paid attention to them half of the time, it's fair to assume I only caught about one quarter of each team's foot fouls.

All of this just goes to show that both teams benefit from non-calls throughout a game, regardless of the sport and where it's played. To even try to blame officials for a loss is just a way of not taking responsibility for the fact that you blew many opportunities to win the game. I'd venture to say that each team had about 20x more unforced errors that cost them points than bad calls. If you're a good team, or coach, that's where you focus your attention because you realize every needed opportunity was there to be taken advantage of.

And if I recall, it was you who came on here and blamed the officials first, and another OG parent/fan who then gave the LCC girls no credit and stated that only OG's girls work hard for their wins. Like you said, if you're going to throw stones, you better take cover, especially when they are based on such fallacies as blaming officials for losses and bashing the other team.

Edited by doslobos, 31 August 2012 - 05:43 AM.

[Common Sense]

This thread is commical. Both schools have "passionate" fan bases, but that bleeds into acting like fools at times. And I'm sure it's not everyone, just a few.

But at the end of the day, and this goes for all sports, not just volleyball, but there were no less than 201 points in that 5 game set last night. If you are going to boil the game down to a missed call here or there, then it's just silly. There were lots, and lot of opportunities for both teams to win each game. And if you are on here complaining, please sign up at your local high school to line judge, I'm sure they need all the help they can get.

[Maltese Falcon]

lima ball, on 30 August 2012 - 08:54 PM, said:

The coach should be the one to show the sportsmanship first, before any parent, fan, player. Yelling at the coach for a call made by an official (volunteer or paid) is uncalled for and not shaking any of the players hands then slapping the coaches hand as she yelled at him really teaches the kids how to act correctly. In or out (good or bad) learn how to be a good loser. In life you will have more letdowns and worse let downs than a call in a regular season game at any level.
OG had multiple oppurtunities to finish off LCC, and couldn't do it, so to be that upset about one call is crazy!! They had to win one of three games and didn't end of story, so to blame a whole match on one point?? Sorry you have nothing to complain about, even if it is the last point of the match.

To quote Vince Lomabardi

"Show me a good loser........and I'll show you a loser."

[Common Sense]

Maltese Falcon, on 31 August 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

To quote Vince Lomabardi

"Show me a good loser........and I'll show you a loser."

I'm guessing that was taken out of context. Coaches have an unbelieveable opportunity to show their kids the right way. Coaches who yell and show poor sportsmanship, typically have fans (and players) who behave the same way. Coaches preach to their kid to play games one play at a time, one point at a time, etc. Live by those same words.

[doslobos]

Common Sense, on 31 August 2012 - 11:07 AM, said:

This thread is commical. Both schools have "passionate" fan bases, but that bleeds into acting like fools at times. And I'm sure it's not everyone, just a few.

But at the end of the day, and this goes for all sports, not just volleyball, but there were no less than 201 points in that 5 game set last night. If you are going to boil the game down to a missed call here or there, then it's just silly. There were lots, and lot of opportunities for both teams to win each game. And if you are on here complaining, please sign up at your local high school to line judge, I'm sure they need all the help they can get.

Bingo. Like I said, I'm sure each team had 20x more unforced errors that cost them points in comparison to calls that cost them points.

And like you said, all good programs have passionate fan bases that will undoubtedly act as fools at times (after all, the word itself is short for fanatic). This obviously applies to LCC and OG. One trip to a boys basketball game will put this on full display. Heck, I was one of them crazies when we lost to them in Districts a couple years back, lol. But I would have been equally as foolish as these OG posters if I tried to blame the loss on the blown charge call on an LCC and-one with one minute left

Edited by doslobos, 31 August 2012 - 05:59 PM.