44 replies to this topic

[Bobby]

To be voted on in May.

http://www.ohsaa.org...nceProposal.pdf

[Bigdogg79]

Hope it passes, it is best for everyone.

[FlightCrew]

Give it up already. This is getting really annoying.

[paperboy]

Looks like they need to pass it to know what is in it.

[Ericles]

I guess you can count me among those who doesn't truly understand how this differs from the previous proposal.

[tunnelvision]

Give it up Amish country. There will be one every year until it gets passed. Guaranteed.

[effingA]

Paperboy - like Obamacare?

[waterloowonder]

It will only be good if it bumps up lower division big city private or public schools to larger school classifications.

Edited by waterloowonder, 05 March 2014 - 01:37 PM.

[bob22]

Bigdogg79, on 04 March 2014 - 03:55 PM, said:

Hope it passes, it is best for everyone.

Everyone? What does it do for the Vanlues, Danburys, and Cincy Oylers?

[Rocketman]

COLUMBUS – The Ohio High School Athletic Association Board of Directors has unanimously approved a Competitive Balance proposal that makes modifications on how schools are placed in tournaments in team sports. The plan, recommended to the Board from the 27-member OHSAA Competitive Balance Committee, is similar to the proposal that member schools voted upon last spring.

In addition to the size of a school’s enrollment, new modifying factors may be applied to students on each roster on a sport-by-sport basis that are based on where the student’s parents reside and/or the educational system history of the student. All schools will be subject to the new competitive balance formula, which will be applied to students in the sports of football, soccer and volleyball in the fall, basketball in the winter and baseball and softball in the spring. This year’s referendum voting by the 825 high school principals will take place between May 1 and 15. If approved, it is anticipated the proposal will become effective for the 2016-17 school year.
“I’m extremely pleased with the plan that the committee has recommended and the Board has approved,” said OHSAA Commissioner Dan Ross. “While the proposal is similar to last year’s, the modified version is the result of a compilation of input from our superintendents, principals, athletic administrators and coaches. I’m most proud that we were able to work together and come up with a solution that will create a better system than we currently have because it looks at how schools secure the enrollment of their students participating in interscholastic athletics.”
If passed, the new proposal will require schools to submit to the OHSAA their team rosters of student-athletes in grades 9 through 12 and to further provide more information about each student. Students in public schools will be subject to modifying factors if their parents do not reside in the district or the student has not been continuously enrolled in the district since seventh grade, and students in non-public schools will be subject to the same modifying factors if they did not attend that school’s designated “feeder” school(s) continuously since seventh grade or have not been continuously enrolled in the same system of education.
“I believe the Competitive Balance Committee has met its charge in that this proposal is not only reliable but also can be clearly applied and fairly administered for all member schools,” Ross said, “with the ultimate objective being to promote competitive equity and ensuring that student-athletes will continue to learn life lessons in an education-based setting.
“The Board and Competitive Balance Committee are committed to continuing to study this issue, working on ways to improve the formula. As we’ve said in the past, this proposal, should it pass, is a starting point and any data and feedback gathered after the plan is rolled out will only help strengthen what changes can take place in the future. Any proposed formula changes in the future will also continue to be voted upon by the membership.”
As has been done in the past, the OHSAA staff will provide further details of the proposal, along with the other referendum issues, and answer questions during the annual OHSAA Town Hall Meetings (formerly known as Athletic Discussion Meetings) in April. Besides the four face-to-face meetings, plans are being finalized to also discuss the proposal during on-line meetings.

[Ron Mexico]

If competitive balance is the goal, what will it look like if it is achieved?

[Bobby]

Ron Mexico, on 06 March 2014 - 07:12 PM, said:

If competitive balance is the goal, what will it look like if it is achieved?

I've wondered that for quite a while, too. If it's voted in, how will they know if it's working? I know the percentage of private schools compared to percentage of private school state champs is a big issue. What percentage of state titles will private schools be permitted to win? If the numbers don't change, what next?

[davidson33]

Bobby, on 06 March 2014 - 07:25 PM, said:

I've wondered that for quite a while, too. If it's voted in, how will they know if it's working? I know the percentage of private schools compared to percentage of private school state champs is a big issue. What percentage of state titles will private schools be permitted to win? If the numbers don't change, what next?

LOL. As if Dan Ross cares about that. All Ross cares about is cash.

As in keeping both groups together, thus keeping the OHSAA viable. This could be the end for them and he knows it.

He will do whatever it takes to keep the publics and privates together because it keeps the OHSAA legitimate and keeps that cash rolling in. He doesn't want to lose those big Iggy and Moeller playoff gates, believe me.

Ask any AD, they will tell you that.

[lima ball]

So after they get this passed the students just must go to the middle/elementary school in 7th grade and it all is the same thing.

Lets just give every kid a state championship trophy and then all will be fair.

[LimaJock]

As usual in society, a small few ruin things for the whole. This is the case in athletics in the State of Ohio. If the cheaters would of been held accountable by their administrations this would not be an issue. Similar to school administrators letting a small percentage of worthless teachers keep their jobs over the last 40-50 years. Which has now got Federal/State politicians running our schools, I have said in allot of cases, poor teachers became administrators. GOD help us all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE PROPHET HAS SPOKEN. LJ

[effingA]

How in the world does the competitive balance involve teachers and administrstors? IT'S THE PARENTS THAT DECIDE TO CHEAT THE SYSTEM. They want their kid to have a great athletic career. Life doesn't always put you on winning teams which is the mistake parents are making. Failure is something we all experience and grow from. Some parents won't let their kids fail or be part of something that is failing.
Every kid enrolled is MONEY from the state, so blame the the funding process. Open enrollment adds to the problem. You want choice in education but not in athletics? They go hand-in-hand.
Blaming teachers.... get real.

[LimaJock]

effingA, on 07 March 2014 - 08:43 PM, said:

How in the world does the competitive balance involve teachers and administrstors? IT'S THE PARENTS THAT DECIDE TO CHEAT THE SYSTEM. They want their kid to have a great athletic career. Life doesn't always put you on winning teams which is the mistake parents are making. Failure is something we all experience and grow from. Some parents won't let their kids fail or be part of something that is failing.
Every kid enrolled is MONEY from the state, so blame the the funding process. Open enrollment adds to the problem. You want choice in education but not in athletics? They go hand-in-hand.
Blaming teachers.... get real.

Add parents to list. Administrators turn a blind eye to coaches who bend the rules or in fact openly cheat. My other point was a parallel that it seems that poor administration by schools seem to be helping the demise of local control of athletics and education. EffinA, hope that makes my point as clear as mud. LOL. LJ

[effingA]

Coaches don't enroll kids.... parents do. Put the blame where it belongs. Administrators can only get involved after a kid is enrolled. Do you honestly think schools/administrators have time to investigate EVERY family that enrolls in their school? The PARENTS fill out the forms that determine their residency. The schools take PARENTS at their word, otherwise all they would ever be doing us checking on them. Would you want to have your kids in a school that doesn't believe you when you fill out the forms?
Start where the problem begins.... PARENTS!

[LimaJock]

effingA, on 07 March 2014 - 09:54 PM, said:

Coaches don't enroll kids.... parents do. Put the blame where it belongs. Administrators can only get involved after a kid is enrolled. Do you honestly think schools/administrators have time to investigate EVERY family that enrolls in their school? The PARENTS fill out the forms that determine their residency. The schools take PARENTS at their word, otherwise all they would ever be doing us checking on them. Would you want to have your kids in a school that doesn't believe you when you fill out the forms?
Start where the problem begins.... PARENTS!

If you think coaches dont recruit and administrators dont look the other way I cant give you any LJ guidance.. If it was a murder, the parents, coaches, and administrators would all be on death row. It doesnt matter who fired the gun, which of course would be the parents. LJ

[Ericles]

effingA, on 07 March 2014 - 09:54 PM, said:

Coaches don't enroll kids.... parents do. Put the blame where it belongs. Administrators can only get involved after a kid is enrolled. Do you honestly think schools/administrators have time to investigate EVERY family that enrolls in their school? The PARENTS fill out the forms that determine their residency. The schools take PARENTS at their word, otherwise all they would ever be doing us checking on them. Would you want to have your kids in a school that doesn't believe you when you fill out the forms?
Start where the problem begins.... PARENTS!

Much of what you say is true, but it IS incumbent upon the member schools to "investigate" whether or not any student who moves into their district is legit.