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[lepiota]

I'm starting to panic. I'm comparing game film of Kelly Holcum and Brian Hoyer, lol

[Kennedy]

Oh Christ. Kelly Holcumb. Butch Davis should have been crucified for what he did to the browns. I'll never understand why he hated Tim Couch so much.

[gamekeeper]

I agree he isn't a veteran, that's why i realize he isn't going to be consistent all the time, 7 starts. Went by wrong route because the cleveland radio announcer stated that, Austin did that. So you are right he ran wrong for what Hoyer was expecting so we don't know if Hoyer was wrong or Austin was. Fact still is Austin, has not played up to level of his experience, he is a veteran receiver.
I just don't get why they win in pittsburgh, but well HOyer didn't do anything to win the game. That doesn't make him bad?

He looked uncomfortable as all get out this weekend, I get that, the line wasn't exactly helping his cause either, and in Pittsburgh, he had time to throw, and in Tennesee. I just didn't think the Browns did enough last week to help protect him, or bring in extra blockers to run the ball. STeelers couldnt move the ball monday the whole first quarter, they brought extra tight end, the brought in a two backs to lead block, and protect big ben. I just think the game adjustments on offense were not very good.
Kennedy,
just wondering you liked Tim couch, but you think Manziel would be better because he is more moble than Hoyer?

[Kennedy]

Now the broadcasters have the playbook memorized? Come on, he was 8-17 against Pittsburgh. Sure he completed some deep throws. All off of play action, which he can thank the running game for. 8 of 17 is bad. Yes they won, but Brandon Weeden can go 8-17 and win when we run like that.

I would say most browns fans agree that Austin has exceeded expectations. He's made alot of difficult grabs on bad throws this season. I don't know what you thought he was going to do this year but I'm definitely pleased with him thus far.

I'm not sure how Johnny Manziels mobility relates to why I liked Tim Couch. I liked him because he had 3 seasons at .500 or better. Johnny Manziel will eventually be the starter in Cleveland because he was drafted to be just that.

Edited by Kennedy, 22 October 2014 - 03:07 PM.

[gamekeeper]

i am sorry you are right, there wasnt a timing play, Hoyer just through the ball out to an open space. He just dropped back and thought wonder if I can hit that yard line. I am sorry, there wasn't any miscommunication it was all Hoyer just throwing the ball away in the open field.

so it was just me then on Austin. Gordon being I thought he might step up and have more targets than 4.7 a game. I mean he is a big strong receiver, I thought maybe he would be a Bolden type. I mean he is only averaging three catches a game, I realize he makes a couple of big plays, but 1 a game hardly seems productive to me.

Look, I am not stating that I think at this point Hoyer is going to Win the Browns the Superbowl. But I do believe, that it has only been 7 starts for him, and up to last week, hadn't been playing bad. It is a new system, without your only real threat receiver, and an offensive line that is making adjustments to being down a man. If he can manage the team, until the Browns get healthy, and even draft a couple more Playmakers next seaon, and if he hasnt shown he can take them to the next level, well then when Manziel steps in the browns have all the components in place for him to be successful. That's all I am saying. If you want anyone getting banged up til the LIne gel's and the running game gets back in tack then I would think it would be Hoyer.

[Kennedy]

throw the ball roughly 20-25 times a game and you're upset because Austin is getting almost 1/4 of them? Really? He's done exactly what he was brought here to do. Hoyer is always looking his way on 3rd down. No he's not Anquan Boldin. I'm sorry if that's what you were expecting, but if he was that caliber receiver he wouldn't have been a free agent when the browns picked him up. He's been exactly as advertised. He's not going beat anyone deep, or out run a secondary on a screen. He's a possession receiver. Put it in his area and he'll catch it. He wasn't brought here to replace Gordon, that's impossible.

No one said Hoyers throwing to random unoccupied spots on the field. You said that because the play by play announcer said he ran the wrong route that must be what happened. The truth is until someone comes out and says what really happened no one knows. Did Jordan Cameron run the wrong route in the endzone when Hoyer threw the ball into the first row? I guess it's a possibility but I've never seen a play designed to get a fan a td catch. Then again I don't know the playbook com Jim Donavan does.

My point is this. Yes there were drops, yes there was miscommunication. It happens. But it doesn't happen 30 times a game. Hoyer is and always will be a 50-59% completion guy behind a strong running game. Even going back to MSU. That's what you're getting. He doesn't have a huge arm or a particularly accurate one unless he's throwing to wide open guys off play action. Even then he under throws guys that should catch it in stride and walk into the endzone instead of stopping mid route to wait on it. He's thrown behind Hawkins on short crosses multiple times that should have been huge plays but because he had to stop and turn to catch the ball he was stopped for a short gain instead of breaking a big one. Sure he doesn't make huge Weedenesque mistakes. But its the little ones that go unnoticed that are hurting him. The coaches know this. Since the win against Pittsburgh Hoyer and Manziel have been splitting 1st team reps in practice. Coincidence or preparation? I don't know of many backups getting that many snaps with the 1st teamers. Is it happening Sunday? Probably not. But Shanahan has been vocal in his confidence in Manziel. Unless Hoyer changes some peoples opinions of him his days are numbered.

Edited by Kennedy, 23 October 2014 - 03:34 PM.

[Kennedy]

It started shaky but in the end we made plays to win the game. Making points out of 3 turnovers was the difference. Hoyer had a nice game but this win goes to the defense. Kruger is quietly having a nice season, its good to see a browns player rack up 3 sacks for a change. Gipson is a gamer. He's always making plays. Gilbert had one of his better games as a brown but he still can't tackle anything. Haden has slowly turned the corner after a very rough start to the year. All in all the defense looked ok. I hate the term "bend but don't break", but that's what they are at this point. Carr was leading long sustained drives when those turnovers occurred. You can't bank on that. Pettine is supposed to be a defensive genius but I'm still not sold. There are injuries and weak spots in the personnel but I expected more from this group.

[gamekeeper]

When your defense is designed to have the lineman demand double teams, and you are lacking in depth at that spot it is hard to sustain constant pressure. Detroit almost fell prey to that on sunday as well, with Fairley going down, and Mosely not being there.
I am coming around to your side Kennedy on Hoyer and missing throws. The Browns do not have experience playmakers in the receving core other than Hawkins, but he had two throws in the red zone, that he did have enough time to get the ball off and was short on both. Well one wasn't quite red zone but the receiver was open point is if he wants to get a contract from Cleveland or any other team he needs to hit those open receivers, less bad throws this week, but he only threw 28 times compared to 41 week before.

Still would like to know what happened to the run game. Other than running West and Tate, instead of all three. Didn't seem to be a big change. Raiders were giving up 130 yards a game to RB's and cleveland mangaged 39 yards, and only 1 rushing first down.

Carr looked pretty good Raiders may have found their QB

[fortfan]

You guys see Colt McCoy vs. Brandon Weeden on Monday Night Football? I think that was God's way of telling Browns fans to quit bitching about Brian Hoyer.

[Kennedy]

I'm sure I wasn't the only browns fan watching that thought " We're only a play away from a McCoy vs Weeden showdown." Hell even my wife said something about it once she remembered who Romo's backup is.

I tend to believe its gods way of reassuring us how much he hates Cleveland.

[Kennedy]

That is exactly why I love Hoyer and I hate him. Damn son, make the easy throw on 2nd down so you don't have to convert impossibly long 3rd downs. He's less than average most of the time but I'll give credit where it's due. The guy showed up when it mattered. No running game, the middle of the o-line getting BLOWN UP, he put together one drive when we absolutely needed points.

Tashaun Gipson is going to Honolulu. He is Ed Reed before his prime and only getting better.

[gamekeeper]

Still concerned about the run game. Waiting for McDonald to grow up may take awhile, still wondering why adjustments aren't being put in to help with the lack of run blocking. Thursday will be a long night if the Browns can't put some long drives together to eat up clock and keep Cincy's offense off the field. Hoyer was 21 for 34, so may have missed on some throws, but he made quite a few too. He had 300 yards, so he was pretty good yesterday. Thursday will be an interesting game, first time in awhile looking forward to a primetime game.

Speaking of Weeden. Weeden looked like Weeden from the highlights i saw. Jacksonville vs. cowboys in LOndon could be an interesting game. Jacksonville can take away the run game like the cardinals did so WEeden is going to have to complete a pass to his receiver. He had 0 completions to a receiver in the first half.

[Kennedy]

Everyone keeps telling me all the signs point to Cleveland not having a chance in this one. I disagree. Neither defense has lived up to the hype as they are both in the bottom 3 in yards allowed. Cleveland is 8th in points allowed. I think on paper its a push. Home field advantage is what all bengals fans are counting on, but, this is a big game. What has history told us about Andy Dalton and big games? I like our chances. Even last year he handed us the game before the 1st quarter was over and our offense tanked. Dalton will turn it over enough for us to win. We just need to turn it into points and avoid giving them a short field constantly. Ball control will win this one.

Edited by Kennedy, 03 November 2014 - 01:05 PM.

[gamekeeper]

Well good call Kennedy on your prediciton. Dalton did just that, and the Browns actually were able to run against the Cincy defense.
West looked like he found North and South last night. Huge win for the organization. I want to get real excited but it is the browns, and there is alot of games left. But they looked balanced on both sides of the ball. Still need a punt returner though.

[Kennedy]

What a win. If people were waiting on a statement win that was it. A complete dismemberment from start to finish. Domination in every phase of the game.

But yet no one outside of Cleveland believes yet. Every media outlet on the planet destroying the bengals instead of praising the browns! As close as a month ago many called them the best team in football. A few weeks ago they dominated the team many are now calling one of the best in the league, The Steelers. Why is it so easy for people to ignore what the browns are doing? Its so aggravating when they completely overwhelm a team like they did Thursday but all anyone can say is "My god the Bengals played awful."

[flounder]

The Bengals are not the team everybody thought they were.....also...a lot of games to be played yet!!!!!!

[Kennedy]

My point exactly flounder. The Browns are 6-3, on top of the division, beating cinci at home something no team has done in almost 2 years and still no credit for the browns. Cincinnati has the most talented roster in the division hands down. I'm not buying the "bengals aren't that good" crap everyones pushing.

That was no fluke. A beatdown like that doesn't just happen because Dalton had a bad game. Whether you or anyone else will admit it the browns are a force to be reckoned with.

[fortfan]

flounder, on 09 November 2014 - 12:25 PM, said:

The Bengals are not the team everybody thought they were.....also...a lot of games to be played yet!!!!!!

It's funny that now that the Browns beat the Bengals-the Bengals aren't as good as they were supposed to be. Also anyother team gets to celebrate being in first place, but people keep telling Browns fans that there is a lot more football to be played.....Hey-we know-we aren't football newbies just because we're Browns fans.

[flounder]

I am so happy for the Browns fans.....or any Cleveland fan for that matter.......that city needs a winner. You all have been kicked around for so long, it's not a wonder that you feel like world beaters after thumping the Ben Gals......but try to remember the Ben Gals of other years......they seem to hit a bad spell where the 'Little sisters Of The Poor' could beat them.......enjoy the victory, but remember.....there is a lot of football yet to be played!!!!!!

[Kennedy]

Wow... That was a 3-13 style egg they laid on Sunday. That's all I can really say.

On the bright side, if you would have told me in August that this team would be 6-4 after 10 games I would have taken it in a heartbeat.
Unfortunately its looking like the AFC wildcard teams will need at least 11 wins to get in, and whoever gets to .500 in the NFC south wins the division.