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[theWanderer]

3rd & Long, on 06 November 2015 - 11:39 AM, said:

I'm on the bandwagon that the more BVC teams we can get in the better, absolutely. I also believe that just "getting in" does nothing for the league. If you deserve to get in (VB and McComb) I'm all for it. I just see very little point in "just getting in" at 5-5, does nothing for the league.

3rd & Long, on 06 November 2015 - 11:52 AM, said:

I'm saying Quality over Quantity..... Had Leipsic or Arlington been competitive this year we wouldn't be having this conversation. Neither team getting in does anything for the reputation of the league of having quality playoff teams that have a chance.

Apologies, could have been worded better.

How does the 5-5 teams getting into the playoffs do nothing for the league while McComb or VB getting in does something more for the league?

The way I see it, if Leipsic or Arlington (the 5-5 teams) were playing teams other than BVC teams, they would have an above 50% chance of winning (with exception of Hicksville). If they were to win those games, then the next round would have 3 bvc teams. It is just unlucky for the BVC that they eliminate themselves so quickly while a team like Lucas or Hicksville can go far without having to play the (arguably) best conference in region 24.

The quality of the BVC teams seem to be superior to the other region 24 teams, so I do not see any shortcoming. Winning in the playoffs helps a conference, not getting more teams in quality or otherwise. The MAC is feared because they win.

Edited by theWanderer, 06 November 2015 - 11:56 AM.

[Irish Viking 87]

3rd & Long, on 06 November 2015 - 11:39 AM, said:

I guess it's just beating a dead horse at this point...... I'm on the bandwagon that the more BVC teams we can get in the better, absolutely. I also believe that just "getting in" does nothing for the league. If you deserve to get in (VB and McComb) I'm all for it. I just see very little point in "just getting in" at 5-5, does nothing for the league.

I'm confused here. You say you're all for more BVC teams getting in and then you say "just getting in at 5-5" does nothing for the league. The more weeks a team gets to practice, the more time they have for younger kids to develop and hone their skills. If this goes on year after year, programs get better. The more teams that get better, the better the league is. Sounds like what you're really saying is "you're all for the BVC getting more teams in as long as LB is one of them."

[Bluetiger76]

theWanderer, on 06 November 2015 - 11:56 AM, said:

The quality of the BVC teams seem to be superior to the other region 24 teams, so I do not see any shortcoming.

I think this is the main point, as I mentioned earlier....the other teams behind Leipsic and A-town avg'd a 3-7 record this year.

[Bluetiger76]

Here is a good question....when a high school baseball or basketball team finishes their "regular season" and goes 11-11 or 6-16 or 3-19...........but goes on to play in the sectionals (state tournament).......why is that not an issue? Just say'n

[Shotgun_Blues]

3rd & Long, on 06 November 2015 - 09:18 AM, said:

You know I'm just poking the bear Shotgun

Also I'm making no claim for LB getting the short end of the stick at all here. It was pretty clear that this year's team was not anything to write home about and didn't deserve to finish as close as they did to making the playoffs. As far as BVC playoff credibility, I'd say that the 2 teams with recent credibility would be LB and McComb hands down (going off the last 10 years or so).

I still Love you too 3rd and long
But Liberty's playoff relevance is becoming ancient history... Your getting old my friend

Edited by Shotgun_Blues, 06 November 2015 - 01:57 PM.

[Bluetiger76]

Shotgun_Blues, on 06 November 2015 - 12:39 PM, said:

But Liberty's playoff relevance is becoming ancient history...

Now Shotgun...this is a fact. Unfortunatley, you are spot on

As far as playoff credibility though......LB was (I believe) 17-10 in the playoffs since 2003. I think they had three final 4 appearances and one state final during that 13 year run.

BUT.......over the next 13 years their playoff record could very well be 0-0.

Edited by Bluetiger76, 06 November 2015 - 12:51 PM.

[3rd & Long]

Shotgun_Blues, on 06 November 2015 - 12:39 PM, said:

I still Love you too 3rd and long
But Liberty's playoff relevance is becoming ancient history... Your getting old may friend

Haha totally agree!

[3rd & Long]

Irish Viking 87, on 06 November 2015 - 12:01 PM, said:

I'm confused here. You say you're all for more BVC teams getting in and then you say "just getting in at 5-5" does nothing for the league. The more weeks a team gets to practice, the more time they have for younger kids to develop and hone their skills. If this goes on year after year, programs get better. The more teams that get better, the better the league is. Sounds like what you're really saying is "you're all for the BVC getting more teams in as long as LB is one of them."

Not so fast my friend! I have never claimed that LB should be in the playoffs this year or any other year they haven't deserved to be in. This has nothing to do with LB at all really. In fact, I'd say if LB goes less than 8-2 they shouldn't get in and I wouldn't want them to get in. I'm sorry to everyone that has hurt feelings on what I'm saying, but I'd much rather see 2 BVC teams in the playoffs (No LB doesn't have to be one of them) that are going to compete rather than 4 to 6 teams that are going to make ZERO noise in the playoffs but everyone is all "yay BVC for having so many teams in!" It's irrelevant that they're in b/c they won't compete for anything but a week 11 win...... And last I checked no one remembers a team that didn't at least get to the Regional Finals.

Oh and as far as developing younger players.... 1 game week 11 isn't going to be the factor of whether a kid gets better the following years. Guaranteed

Edited by 3rd & Long, 06 November 2015 - 01:47 PM.

[3rd & Long]

Bluetiger76, on 06 November 2015 - 12:26 PM, said:

Here is a good question....when a high school baseball or basketball team finishes their "regular season" and goes 11-11 or 6-16 or 3-19...........but goes on to play in the sectionals (state tournament).......why is that not an issue? Just say'n

And this is a waste of time too.... why? For the exact same reason, none of these teams will be competitive!

[playmaker]

Bluetiger76, on 06 November 2015 - 12:26 PM, said:

Here is a good question....when a high school baseball or basketball team finishes their "regular season" and goes 11-11 or 6-16 or 3-19...........but goes on to play in the sectionals (state tournament).......why is that not an issue? Just say'n

Irrelevant. The fact here is that every team makes it in as opposed to qualifying. But this means nothing.

[playmaker]

Bluetiger76, on 06 November 2015 - 12:47 PM, said:

Now Shotgun...this is a fact. Unfortunatley, you are spot on

As far as playoff credibility though......LB was (I believe) 17-10 in the playoffs since 2003. I think they had three final 4 appearances and one state final during that 13 year run.

BUT.......over the next 13 years their playoff record could very well be 0-0.

When/why did you become such a negative person with the LB program? Miss playoffs one year and all hell breaks loose.

[playmaker]

In a nutshell, all that needs said here is that yes, the playoffs are watered down and there is no reason for 7 divisions. Congrats to the BVC teams that made it. They did what they needed (however little it was). I think what third is getting at is that they are not playoff caliber teams. But again, you play with the system you got....

As for LB, I don't think anyone in the community is upset that they didn't get in at 6-4. No one would've been upset if they missed out on a 7-3 record. Hell, even missing at 8-2 would be justifiable (pending on the quality of the region). The fact is, with as down as the conference is (please no one even try to debate this fact), if you are a true playoff caliber team in any division, you should have no reason to not finish with a very good record.

Edited by playmaker, 06 November 2015 - 02:26 PM.

[Bluetiger76]

playmaker, on 06 November 2015 - 02:19 PM, said:

When/why did you become such a negative person with the LB program? Miss playoffs one year and all hell breaks loose.

Not negative, just potential realism. Heard next year could be 3 or 4 wins. And not a lot of talent in the pipeline. Would it be better to post how great we may be in the future when it appears that is not the fact?

[playmaker]

Bluetiger76, on 06 November 2015 - 02:27 PM, said:

Not negative, just potential realism. Heard next year could be 3 or 4 wins. And not a lot of talent in the pipeline. Would it be better to post how great we may be in the future when it appears that is not the fact?

I get what you are saying, just seemed more of a Debbie downer this year. Again, luckily playing the the BVC, you get a few wins gift wrapped to you every year.. But yes they will have their hands full with wynford, vb,mccomb and of course HL, Leip archboldand Arl can always be tough.... JV team didn't lose a conference game this year FWIW (and no, that's not worth a lot). Yes, 4 wins is a possibility, but so is 7-8+

Edited by playmaker, 06 November 2015 - 02:34 PM.

[Bluetiger76]

playmaker, on 06 November 2015 - 02:30 PM, said:

I get what you are saying, just seemed more of a Debbie downer this year. Again, luckily playing the the BVC, you get a few wins gift wrapped to you every year..... JV team didn't lose a conference game this year FWIW (and no, that's not worth a lot)

Make that a "Danny" downer.

[3rd & Long]

Bluetiger76, on 06 November 2015 - 02:27 PM, said:

Not negative, just potential realism. Heard next year could be 3 or 4 wins. And not a lot of talent in the pipeline. Would it be better to post how great we may be in the future when it appears that is not the fact?

Maybe the number of boys will go down next year and we'll drop to D7 and make the playoffs at 3-4 wins beating Cory, Riverdale, Arcadia, and pull off a huge upset against a 5-5 Hopewell team and everyone can say how much LB deserved to get in and it's just the system.

[Bluetiger76]

3rd & Long, on 06 November 2015 - 02:34 PM, said:

Maybe the number of boys will go down next year and we'll drop to D7 and make the playoffs at 3-4 wins beating Cory, Riverdale, Arcadia, and pull off a huge upset against a 5-5 Hopewell team and everyone can say how much LB deserved to get in and it's just the system.

I probably shouldn't........but I find that kinda funny.

[3rd & Long]

Bluetiger76, on 06 November 2015 - 02:36 PM, said:

I probably shouldn't........but I find that kinda funny.

Lol I'm just saying..... Anyways I'll jump off my box here.... Good luck to both teams

[#Sand]

Bluetiger76, on 06 November 2015 - 12:47 PM, said:

Now Shotgun...this is a fact. Unfortunatley, you are spot on

As far as playoff credibility though......LB was (I believe) 17-10 in the playoffs since 2003. I think they had three final 4 appearances and one state final during that 13 year run.

BUT.......over the next 13 years their playoff record could very well be 0-0.

One word why? Soccer.

[Bluetiger76]

playmaker, on 06 November 2015 - 02:18 PM, said:

Irrelevant. The fact here is that every team makes it in as opposed to qualifying. But this means nothing.

And that was exactly my point.