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[paynepanthers]

I'm old school on this. I would drop back to four divisions in football and no more than three divisions in basketball although I would prefer two. I would also argue for no more than two divisions in any other OHSAA sport.

Edited by paynepanthers, 01 February 2012 - 02:49 PM.

[BlasT]

Payne,

You would be talking about some major consolidation problems if they went to two divisions... I just don't see that happening. I agree that they current system seems to fit fairly reasonably, with the exception of public vs. private...

[HH75]

Why not just name every team state champs at the end of the season and be done with it!! or just do it in August and save all the hassle! SMH!!

[jeffcat-bucki]

I'm pretty satisfied with the current setup. I wouldn't change DV and DVI....where there is a pretty damn big gap between the two. If you combined DV and DVI, you would have teams like Ursuline playing Shadyside as POSSIBLE regional finals....somebody might quite literally die.

My biggest quarrel would lie only with the largest D1 schools compared to the "average" D1 enrollment schools, but there is only so much you can do. It's not like Texas where you have SUPER schools of 6000 boys. I can't remember who has the largest enrollment, but I know Mentor, Upper Arlington, and I believe Centerville(could be wrong) are up there, but they don't really have a HUGE advantage over other schools. I know Upper Arlington has a TON of trophies, but I think it's more of a socio-economic thing with their school system. They get some wealthy students and student athletes across the board. They don't really obsess over athletic success either like some schools do...it kind of just comes naturally to them in all sports...really football being close to the lesser of success. I don't see enough disparity to change anything though.

[RWB 71]

It's as close to perfect as it'll ever be IMO............if it isn't broke don't try and fix it. The OHSAA is fully engaged trying to enforce all of the current regulations as it is now, with the proposal last year on several "factors" to base enrollment on, it would have been an even bigger challenge to control, monitor, and administer.


Division I schools range in size from 1,164 boys in grades 9-11 at Cincinnati St. Xavier to 494 boys at Avon Lake.

I find it interesting that Dr. Dan Ross' last job was as the superintendant of Avon Lake......probably just a coincidence?

Edited by RWB 71, 08 February 2012 - 07:04 PM.

[dw629]

jeffcat-bucki, on 02 February 2012 - 12:32 AM, said:

I'm pretty satisfied with the current setup. I wouldn't change DV and DVI....where there is a pretty damn big gap between the two. If you combined DV and DVI, you would have teams like Ursuline playing Shadyside as POSSIBLE regional finals....somebody might quite literally die.

My biggest quarrel would lie only with the largest D1 schools compared to the "average" D1 enrollment schools, but there is only so much you can do. It's not like Texas where you have SUPER schools of 6000 boys. I can't remember who has the largest enrollment, but I know Mentor, Upper Arlington, and I believe Centerville(could be wrong) are up there, but they don't really have a HUGE advantage over other schools. I know Upper Arlington has a TON of trophies, but I think it's more of a socio-economic thing with their school system. They get some wealthy students and student athletes across the board. They don't really obsess over athletic success either like some schools do...it kind of just comes naturally to them in all sports...really football being close to the lesser of success. I don't see enough disparity to change anything though.

There is not a big difference between 5 and 6.. Ursuline was a rare situation who ran through almost everyone and plays an unreal schedule for D5. Your worried about them playing Shadyside? When DSJ played Shadyside they were the second best team in 5/6 that year maybe even comparable to Ursuline after watching LCC compete with Ursuline and not DSJ.

the gap between the 2 is small example this year 22 was better than 18

[jeffcat-bucki]

dw629, on 08 February 2012 - 10:59 PM, said:

There is not a big difference between 5 and 6.. Ursuline was a rare situation who ran through almost everyone and plays an unreal schedule for D5. Your worried about them playing Shadyside? When DSJ played Shadyside they were the second best team in 5/6 that year maybe even comparable to Ursuline after watching LCC compete with Ursuline and not DSJ.

the gap between the 2 is small example this year 22 was better than 18

The year Ursuline and DSJ won state....you could make a plausible...although very debatable claim that DSJ had their best team ever simply based on the domination of their line and defense.....Ursuline was still much bigger. Coldwater played DSJ in a competitive game that year....I believe it was 14-0 or something, and a Coldwater WR dropped a wide open TD pass to make it even closer....it hit him right in the hands while he was standing in the back of the endzone...he simply dropped it. Likewise, Coldwater was getting thrashed 44-10 or something like that AT HALFTIME to Ursuline that year. The difference between 5 and 6 is large when you compare the elites from each division. LCC beat DSJ this past year and LCC got ousted right out of the gates by Liberty Benton. Sure, Leipsic killed LB, but LB lost their next playoff game and Leipsic was every bit as competitive as DSJ was last year. I really can't think of a year when I thought the big 3 in D6 had stronger teams than the big 3 in D5 teams in recent memory(past 10 years).

Edited by jeffcat-bucki, 10 February 2012 - 10:00 AM.

[osufan512]

Honestly I think the biggest "gap" in level of teams is in two areas. I feel d1-d2 has a huge difference in quality of teams, and I feel d5-d6 is also a pretty decent gap. When I say this I mean the top say, 4 teams in each division.

[jeffcat-bucki]

osufan512, on 09 February 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

Honestly I think the biggest "gap" in level of teams is in two areas. I feel d1-d2 has a huge difference in quality of teams, and I feel d5-d6 is also a pretty decent gap. When I say this I mean the top say, 4 teams in each division.

Agreed. The difference between D1 and D2 is quite large and the largest of all the divisions. I feel a lot of teams in D3 play more fundamentally sound ball and have better all around teams, but compared to D2, they just lack the sheer speed D2 teams have. Most D2 final games have a lot of smaller players that may or may not go on to play college ball, but are remarkably quick or fast...even more so than most D1 schools. I would say the narrowest gap is between D3 and D4 in most years.

[Osu4me]

Wouldn't 7div. bring in more money to the OHSAA? Isn't that mostly what it's all about?

[Pulitzer]

RWB 71, on 08 February 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

I find it interesting that Dr. Dan Ross' last job was as the superintendant of Avon Lake......probably just a coincidence?

Rest assured, it's absolutely not a coincidence.

[jeffcat-bucki]

Osu4me, on 11 February 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

Wouldn't 7div. bring in more money to the OHSAA? Isn't that mostly what it's all about?

I wouldn't think so. I don't really see how it would outside of playoffs games and even then the OHSAA is paying to use each facility, staff, and refs. Perhaps at state, but if the 7th division was a small school division, the earnings would be so mediocre, that it wouldn't even be worth the hassle.