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[Mysterio]

Honestly the way I see it, some years they get it right some years they don't. When you are a high school athlete this award matters and especially a coach it matters as well. But fans like us now will say in the end the only thing that matters is a deep tournament run. Like I said before you won't ever see a team get more than 3 players on an all-county 1st team, 2nd team, etc. It's just the way it is in all of sports. I think most coaches feel the need to balance it out more to make the whole league good. Just my opinion.

[Common Sense]

Folks, this is voted on by the coaches!!! It's not a media or fan voting. Coaches can't vote for their own kids. And there is no concievable way that you are going to get 3 or more kids on first team, even if they win the state 4 years in a row!!! All 8 teams in the league have leading scoreres, all have X number of wins, the 2nd place team is going to have 6-7 wins more than likely.

This isn't about who's the best basketball players, it's not about constructing the best team of individuals. It's simply recogintion for the league and it's members for THIS season. And yes, there is some leading towards seniors. All leages do this.

[Mysterio]

Common Sense, on 27 February 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:

Folks, this is voted on by the coaches!!! It's not a media or fan voting. Coaches can't vote for their own kids. And there is no concievable way that you are going to get 3 or more kids on first team, even if they win the state 4 years in a row!!! All 8 teams in the league have leading scoreres, all have X number of wins, the 2nd place team is going to have 6-7 wins more than likely.

This isn't about who's the best basketball players, it's not about constructing the best team of individuals. It's simply recogintion for the league and it's members for THIS season. And yes, there is some leading towards seniors. All leages do this.

Yup pretty much what I was saying. This happens in all of sports. The best in the league does not always get recognized for these awards. There are times when they don't even have the POY right. But Common Sense you said it right,

[basketballstud]

She would have a chance just like everyone else, but my opinion is she's not starting Varsity at Ottoville this year. I am recanting my statement about She would not start on Ottoville JV. Sorry to ruffle everyone's feathers.

[JimBucks]

I think she would start over Rachel Beining...very similar players but Michel is more athletic and versatile. Michel is, in my opinion, a better player than Vorst, Turnwald, or Mangas too...but those girls are guards, so the Big Green would probably put her in over Beining (who is still a very nice player). I still think you are incorrect "stud".

Also, did anyone else notice the First Team has 4 posts and 1 guard, while the Second Team had 5 guards...so not really "Teams", but rather the best 5 individual players.

[Common Sense]

JimBucks, on 27 February 2013 - 02:42 PM, said:

I think she would start over Rachel Beining...very similar players but Michel is more athletic and versatile. Michel is, in my opinion, a better player than Vorst, Turnwald, or Mangas too...but those girls are guards, so the Big Green would probably put her in over Beining (who is still a very nice player). I still think you are incorrect "stud".

Also, did anyone else notice the First Team has 4 posts and 1 guard, while the Second Team had 5 guards...so not really "Teams", but rather the best 5 individual players.

And this is the way it should be, recognize the best players on their respective teams for this season, as voted by the coaches. So you're not going to get the specific 5 best basketball players, or a team of 2 guards, 2 forwards and 2 posts. And not necessarily the top scorers. Some coaches view different skills as having an impact on the game. A kid may be a shut down defender, a distributor and score 6 points per game, but have a profound affect on every game? What happens to that kid?

[basketballstud]

JimBucks, on 27 February 2013 - 02:42 PM, said:

I think she would start over Rachel Beining...very similar players but Michel is more athletic and versatile. Michel is, in my opinion, a better player than Vorst, Turnwald, or Mangas too...but those girls are guards, so the Big Green would probably put her in over Beining (who is still a very nice player). I still think you are incorrect "stud".

Also, did anyone else notice the First Team has 4 posts and 1 guard, while the Second Team had 5 guards...so not really "Teams", but rather the best 5 individual players.

I may be incorrect about this girl and be biased towards Ottoville and I know that MC is rebuilding but to say she would start over Beining, Turnwald, and Mangas. Idk

[stifler]

oldlefty, on 26 February 2013 - 08:56 PM, said:

Said it once ...will say it again ...one name ...KLEMAN ...how do you think you go 28-0...4 unbeaten years in a row in league of small schools ...not to take anything away from O-villes players ...but Im sorry that's good coaching and you people from Big Green land should be very thankful you have somebody like that to bring out the very best in your young ladies ...several girls in the county would be very successful in O-villes program ...not all of them are fortunate enough to be able to play under good quality coaching ..wouldnt surprise me a bit if they ran the table again next year ..until some of these other schools are able to luck into some quality coaching ...O-ville will be there at the top to stay ..Good luck to the girls ...go bring home that state trophy this year !! from the land of P-G

old lefty,

I always heard that Schimmolloer was the brains and glue of that Ottoville coaching staff.

[basketballstud]

stifler, on 27 February 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

old lefty,

I always heard that Schimmolloer was the brains and glue of that Ottoville coaching staff.

He could not play bridesmaid any longer and went nuts one day at practice. He has no been to any games since his episode. His boy coaches eighth grade and he doesn't go to them either. No games any level.

[von]

basketballstud, on 27 February 2013 - 05:30 PM, said:

He could not play bridesmaid any longer and went nuts one day at practice. He has no been to any games since his episode. His boy coaches eighth grade and he doesn't go to them either. No games any level.

Like I said a few months ago, whoever votes for the PCL girls team are a few feel good selection. They should pick the best players for the teams, but they do not have a clue. It is winning, not a feel good situation.

[Voice_of_reason]

von, on 27 February 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

Like I said a few months ago, whoever votes for the PCL girls team are a few feel good selection. They should pick the best players for the teams, but they do not have a clue. It is winning, not a feel good situation.

So you are saying all of the coaches in the PCL do not have a clue? Just because your team doesn't win does not mean you do not have a good player. Winning gets you championships. This is an individual award.

[Mysterio]

Common Sense hit it right on the spot earlier. These all-county awards are not about the best basketball players in the county. Ottoville's 4th leading scorer might be a better basketball player than some other team in the county's leading scorer. The stats can be misleading because of this. But coaches will focus more on keeping these awards balanced and complex. I mean it just doesn't make sense for a team to dominate the league the way Ottoville has four years in a row and only get 1-2 girls on the first team all-county. But like I said, it doesn't make the league look good if you have 4 or 5 from the same school on first team. That's just the way it is not just in basketball but all of sports.

[Common Sense]

Mysterio, on 28 February 2013 - 09:14 AM, said:

Common Sense hit it right on the spot earlier. These all-county awards are not about the best basketball players in the county. Ottoville's 4th leading scorer might be a better basketball player than some other team in the county's leading scorer. The stats can be misleading because of this. But coaches will focus more on keeping these awards balanced and complex. I mean it just doesn't make sense for a team to dominate the league the way Ottoville has four years in a row and only get 1-2 girls on the first team all-county. But like I said, it doesn't make the league look good if you have 4 or 5 from the same school on first team. That's just the way it is not just in basketball but all of sports.

The other thing to consider is that it's very difficult to select all conference individual honors in a team sport like basketball. Yes, the Siefker girl is fantastic, but she's had several teammates over the past 4 years feed her the ball 100's of times. What if Ottoville played a full court pressing style and didn't utilize the post position on offense and just chucked up 3's all the time?? Her career would be drastically different. Obviously Kleman is a great coach and recoginzes the strenths of his team and runs and offense that utilizes those skills.

[TiGgEr3]

Common Sense, on 28 February 2013 - 10:38 AM, said:

The other thing to consider is that it's very difficult to select all conference individual honors in a team sport like basketball. Yes, the Siefker girl is fantastic, but she's had several teammates over the past 4 years feed her the ball 100's of times. What if Ottoville played a full court pressing style and didn't utilize the post position on offense and just chucked up 3's all the time?? Her career would be drastically different. Obviously Kleman is a great coach and recoginzes the strenths of his team and runs and offense that utilizes those skills.

While you MAY be correct on the thought about scoring she also has over 1,000 career rebounds. Not near as much help there from your teammates, still a pretty big accomplishment by itself.