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[Rajaha]

WBL needs to go to an 8 or 7 game conference schedule, i think they teams would get better and help come play off time if they have played more than 1 team outside wbl

[wildcatsports]

The Owl, on 26 February 2014 - 09:52 AM, said:

Wow, and wow.

A senior JV QB? That doesn't make much sense. No young transfers the last couple of years?

And if they don't know who the QB is, then it's going to be tough to run the same type of offense with 90% of the load on the QB's shoulders.

The backup QB was a Freshman and actually did a pretty good job when he played on Friday nights this year. There was no reason to take a chance to get him hurt playing JV, when he was playing Varsity. Will he be the starter next year... don't really know for sure. Just wish he was a little bigger, but man he is elusive and fast.

The defense should be very very good again next year.

[charliesheen]

Rajaha, on 26 February 2014 - 01:28 PM, said:

WBL needs to go to an 8 or 7 game conference schedule, i think they teams would get better and help come play off time if they have played more than 1 team outside wbl

Thats a ridiculous statement. The WBL has had as many as 5 teams make the playoffs in a season. Its hard to find quality non league opponents....especially for D3 and D4 teams. I guarantee no WBL coaches or AD's would consider that idea. That being said OG finally got rid of perennial 0-10 Fostoria and is playing Oak Harbor in week 1.

[redskin rowdy]

Rajaha, on 26 February 2014 - 01:28 PM, said:

WBL needs to go to an 8 or 7 game conference schedule, i think they teams would get better and help come play off time if they have played more than 1 team outside wbl

I am not sure why, when there is a perfect amount of teams int he league for everyone to play each other once. Hard to find that many games that would be worth it to play two weeks of non conference. I understand the MAC does it, but they are smaller schools and can be able to find more opponents to help with computer points.

[madman]

What year did the WBL get 5 teams in the playoff's? Most years it is only 3 teams but if they would play 2 non-league games then it would be 4 or 5 almost every year. That is how a 5-5 team in the MAC got in.

[Rajaha]

charliesheen, on 26 February 2014 - 11:10 PM, said:

Thats a ridiculous statement. The WBL has had as many as 5 teams make the playoffs in a season. Its hard to find quality non league opponents....especially for D3 and D4 teams. I guarantee no WBL coaches or AD's would consider that idea. That being said OG finally got rid of perennial 0-10 Fostoria and is playing Oak Harbor in week 1.

there are always quality schools looking for openings.. Some WBL teams would get more out of playing a non conference game than playing say Van Wert year in and out....You cant tell me you wouldnt find schools with openings. A team like Wapak would of gotten way more out of going and finding a Shawnee, Trotwood, thurgood, Franklin...all teams in their region that could help out way more than playing Van Wert

and a team like Van wert can go schedule a dud to boost morale...

It can work if effort is put into it, not to mention you can face teams you wont see in WBL...I think Celina, Wapak, Kenton, would be for being able to play a team like Trotwood so they had an idea of what that team is like when they run into them in the playoffs

Edited by Rajaha, 27 February 2014 - 08:18 AM.

[BIGWBLFAN]

True but how may points do you get for losing to Trotwood?

[Bigdogg79]

Rajaha, on 27 February 2014 - 08:17 AM, said:

there are always quality schools looking for openings.. Some WBL teams would get more out of playing a non conference game than playing say Van Wert year in and out....You cant tell me you wouldnt find schools with openings. A team like Wapak would of gotten way more out of going and finding a Shawnee, Trotwood, thurgood, Franklin...all teams in their region that could help out way more than playing Van Wert

and a team like Van wert can go schedule a dud to boost morale...

It can work if effort is put into it, not to mention you can face teams you wont see in WBL...I think Celina, Wapak, Kenton, would be for being able to play a team like Trotwood so they had an idea of what that team is like when they run into them in the playoffs

Stupid to play Trotwood when the gate and computer points would be bigger playing a upper level MAC team.

The Van Wert vs Bryan game is one of the oldest continuing played rivals in Ohio. Bryan has been a quality game for them for awhile and gave Kenton everything they wanted last year in the playoffs.

Edited by Bigdogg79, 27 February 2014 - 12:01 PM.

[Bigdogg79]

madman, on 27 February 2014 - 08:16 AM, said:

What year did the WBL get 5 teams in the playoff's? Most years it is only 3 teams but if they would play 2 non-league games then it would be 4 or 5 almost every year. That is how a 5-5 team in the MAC got in.

MAC schools are mostly small schools. Not any depth in D-7 & D-6 statewide so it easier to get in the playoffs.

Edited by Bigdogg79, 27 February 2014 - 12:04 PM.

[Rajaha]

BIGWBLFAN, on 27 February 2014 - 09:44 AM, said:

True but how may points do you get for losing to Trotwood?

so forget the risk but bitch when you are short because you were short of playoffs fractions of a point

i think the risk is worth the reward...

[charliesheen]

How would you do a 7 or 8 game league schedule? Rotate? You can't do that.....look at the Big Ten when they did that....Ohio State hits a season when they don't play Michigan State and Wisky and get pounded in the media and BCS because they didn't play enough good teams. HS football teams can be 0-10 one year and 7-3 the next...it happens a lot. At least now if you're only playing 1 non-league game you can usually have a pretty good idea if that team has a chance of helping you out. OG has played Fostoria for a long time....they used to be good....but unfortunately haven't been good lately....so OG went out and got Oak Harbor....who in a bad year likely will still go 5-5. You can't say "replace Van Wert" because they were 0-10 last year....because as soon as you do that, you're very likely to hit a team who falls into a rut for a couple years and you didn't gain anything.

To say it would be easy to find non-league games is crazy. Yes, if one or two teams are looking for a game or two here and there...it's easy....but if you go to a 7 game league schedule, that leaves 10 WBL games looking for 2 non-league games....all at the same time. Just not enough quality opponents within decent driving distance to make that work. Other teams are in leagues too....and may have an opening here or there...but certainly not 20 quality games avaiable each year to allow WBL teams to fill 2 more non-conference games. Where do you think they are going to find that many openings??

[charliesheen]

madman, on 27 February 2014 - 08:16 AM, said:

What year did the WBL get 5 teams in the playoff's? Most years it is only 3 teams but if they would play 2 non-league games then it would be 4 or 5 almost every year. That is how a 5-5 team in the MAC got in.

2000 - Defiance, OG, St. Marys, Van Wert and Wapak.....from 1999 to 2003, that was the only year Kenton didn't make it....they finished 5-5 and 9th in their region.....or the league could have had 6 teams in

[dartmaster63]

The format is good the way that it is currently.
As a fan, playing every team every year is something that I have enjoyed watching.
One year you get to see the other teams come to your place and the next year you get to travel to take in the games.
Works out really well.

The other thing about playing an additional out of conference opponent is that really all the teams would want to play up to a higher division or at least the same size school to get the extra computer points

[madman]

So 1 time 13 years ago. What is the average over the last 13 years?

Edited by madman, 28 February 2014 - 08:07 AM.

[dhsdawg06]

What the WBL NEEDS to do is start winning their week 1 games. THAT'S why not as many schools make the playoffs these days.

Anyway, since 2000:

2001- 3 (Defiance, St. Marys, Kenton)
2002- 3 (St. Marys, Kenton, OG)
2003- 4 (Defiance, St. Marys, Kenton, Bath)
2004- 2 (Shawnee, St. Marys)
2005- 2 (Kenton, OG)
2006- 3 (St. Marys, OG, Wapak)
2007- 1 (OG)
2008- 3 (Defiance, St. Marys, OG)
2009- 2 (Kenton, OG)
2010- 3 (Elida, OG, Kenton)
2011- 4 (Elida, OG, Kenton, Wapak)
2012- 2 (Elida, OG)
2013- 3 (Defiance, Kenton, Wapak)

Right around 2-3 per year, occasionally more. Which honestly, considering for most of that time about half the schools were in the same division AND region, isn't bad. 2007 the league went 0-10 in week 1....and the result was only 1 team in the playoffs(the smallest school in the league who happened to win the league.) Win week 1 so there's some points to be passed around, and the rest will take care of itself.


IMO, the ONLY reason a 7 or 8 game league schedule would make sense would be to cut down on travel time.....and considering there aren't very many D3-5 schools in the area that are available to play, even that wouldn't really be a good excuse. I LOVE round robin scheduling. Makes you feel like you truly earned a league title when you're fortunate to win one.

Edited by dhsdawg06, 28 February 2014 - 11:29 PM.

[The Owl]

dhsdawg06, on 28 February 2014 - 11:22 PM, said:

What the WBL NEEDS to do is start winning their week 1 games. THAT'S why not as many schools make the playoffs these days.

Anyway, since 2000:

2001- 3 (Defiance, St. Marys, Kenton)
2002- 3 (St. Marys, Kenton, OG)
2003- 4 (Defiance, St. Marys, Kenton, Bath)
2004- 2 (Shawnee, St. Marys)
2005- 2 (Kenton, OG)
2006- 3 (St. Marys, OG, Wapak)
2007- 1 (OG)
2008- 3 (Defiance, St. Marys, OG)
2009- 2 (Kenton, OG)
2010- 3 (Elida, OG, Kenton)
2011- 4 (Elida, OG, Kenton, Wapak)
2012- 2 (Elida, OG)
2013- 3 (Defiance, Kenton, Wapak)

Right around 2-3 per year, occasionally more. Which honestly, considering for most of that time about half the schools were in the same division AND region, isn't bad. 2007 the league went 0-10 in week 1....and the result was only 1 team in the playoffs(the smallest school in the league who happened to win the league.) Win week 1 so there's some points to be passed around, and the rest will take care of itself.


IMO, the ONLY reason a 7 or 8 game league schedule would make sense would be to cut down on travel time.....and considering there aren't very many D3-5 schools in the area that are available to play, even that wouldn't really be a good excuse. I LOVE round robin scheduling. Makes you feel like you truly earned a league title when you're fortunate to win one.

If OG beats a 6-4 D4 Oak Harbor team instead of an 0-10 D5 Fostoria team, how much does that help teams that beat OG?

[dhsdawg06]

The Owl, on 01 March 2014 - 01:32 PM, said:

If OG beats a 6-4 D4 Oak Harbor team instead of an 0-10 D5 Fostoria team, how much does that help teams that beat OG?

Half a point.

But the issue here isn't necessarily scheduling tough teams and winning. it's just winning. Scheduling Marion Local every year is well and good, but if you aren't winning that game, you're better off playing 0-10 Fostoria. Just an example.

[LimaJock]

In 2010, I believe Kenton and Shawnee both were 7-3. Shawnee's non league loss was to Col. DeSales [I believe] I think Kenton made it into playoffs in div 4, Shawnee not in Div 3. Or maybe Kenton didnt get in either. Dont remember. Ethier way, both of those teams were solid playoff caliber teams. Playing only 8 league games would only work for playoff improvement if teams can play schools they beat. Shawnee has had no luck finding a winnable non league game even during their 4 [I believe] 7-3 records in a row. I believe those four years the non league opponent were Col.DeSales and Marion Local.

LJ

Edited by LimaJock, 01 March 2014 - 10:43 PM.

[LimaJock]

dhsdawg06, on 01 March 2014 - 10:38 PM, said:

Half a point.

But the issue here isn't necessarily scheduling tough teams and winning. it's just winning. Scheduling Marion Local every year is well and good, but if you aren't winning that game, you're better off playing 0-10 Fostoria. Just an example.

FOR SURE TRUE, ask Shawnee. LJ

[Rajaha]

dhsdawg06, on 28 February 2014 - 11:22 PM, said:

What the WBL NEEDS to do is start winning their week 1 games. THAT'S why not as many schools make the playoffs these days.

Anyway, since 2000:

2001- 3 (Defiance, St. Marys, Kenton)
2002- 3 (St. Marys, Kenton, OG)
2003- 4 (Defiance, St. Marys, Kenton, Bath)
2004- 2 (Shawnee, St. Marys)
2005- 2 (Kenton, OG)
2006- 3 (St. Marys, OG, Wapak)
2007- 1 (OG)
2008- 3 (Defiance, St. Marys, OG)
2009- 2 (Kenton, OG)
2010- 3 (Elida, OG, Kenton)
2011- 4 (Elida, OG, Kenton, Wapak)
2012- 2 (Elida, OG)
2013- 3 (Defiance, Kenton, Wapak)

Right around 2-3 per year, occasionally more. Which honestly, considering for most of that time about half the schools were in the same division AND region, isn't bad. 2007 the league went 0-10 in week 1....and the result was only 1 team in the playoffs(the smallest school in the league who happened to win the league.) Win week 1 so there's some points to be passed around, and the rest will take care of itself.


IMO, the ONLY reason a 7 or 8 game league schedule would make sense would be to cut down on travel time.....and considering there aren't very many D3-5 schools in the area that are available to play, even that wouldn't really be a good excuse. I LOVE round robin scheduling. Makes you feel like you truly earned a league title when you're fortunate to win one.

you might want to recheck your info i know St. Marys won in 05, 10, and 11 so you may have more wrong as well