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[Rocketman]

Jeesh. .... Make 1 mistake in your life!........ I think I'll go check the lima news 4 their daily mistakes........lol

[DC/MS]

and find tons of them..............................

[Dman]

Am I the only person who is hoping and praying that the ADULTS around this kid WAKE the **** UP? Coddling...and continuing to let him have his way assures that his deviant behavior continues. This kid has been kicked out of multiple schools, served some time, etc...and now there are ADULTS on this board who want reasonable minded people to believe that a 3 basketball game suspension will turn this kids life around?

The previous paragraph is not a reasonable or coherent position that parallels any empirical observation of life's realities. I fail to believe that the adults supporting this kid playing basketball for Elida less than 1 week out of jail give two craps about this kid. What you/they care about is Elida's basketball victories. So spare the feigned "glass houses" disgust and admit what is obvious. Elida needs this kid if they have any hope of getting to Columbus. I know it. You know it. And sadly the kid knows it too.

The lesson being taught by Elida (assuming it is true he will play), and those supporting this joke of a punishment is that social norms do not apply to you...IF YOU ARE A GOOD ATHLETE. You are selling your own souls, and completely bastardizing any sense of life's realities in order to win some basketball games. Which is fine. But don't come on here and try to sell this charade as some great gesture by the Elida community to turn this kid's life around! You are all using this kid to satisfy your own egos!

Below is just the stuff WE KNOW ABOUT! FIVE (5) major red flags!

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had to leave St. Rose

"let's hope and pray this is the last time"

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had to leave Shawnee

"let's hope and pray this is the last time"

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Steal some computers and get suspended 1 day

"let's hope and pray this is the last time"

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get caught cheating

"let's hope and pray this is the last time"

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go to jail

"let's hope and pray this is the last time"



Who is dumb enough to believe this is the last time?

Edited by Dman, 07 March 2012 - 11:08 AM.

[DC/MS]

Dman, you are not alone....................................

[paperboy]

I still want to know what he was convicted of. Does anyone know?

[78vette]

dman, ending an athletic career because of going to jail is not a given, wapak played a couple of boys in football last season just at a different school from where incident happened. i think this thread should be allowed to die off as there are actually games that could be talked about instead of all the old gossip being talked about.

[4sportstruthonly]

Right on Jellybeans and Paperboy, I'm with you. I'm rooting for the kids, in trouble or not, whatever school. Not obsessed with any school, just noticed that LCC was mentioned by bloggers, besides the subject matter, Elida. Did not notice any other school mentioned by other bloggers. I Think LCC has some awesome kids!

[DC/MS]

no debate..........................................

[4sportstruthonly]

Let's root for Local teams on the tournament trail and hope that the kids,who aren't has fortunate to have stable family life, turn their lives around. I am rooting for a positive future for or troubled teens, why would want to give up them when they aren't able to make valid decisions. They're not bad, just making bad decisions, let's not cast them to our penal system.
Exciting time during our girls and boys tournaments. Rooting for the Bath girls, Go Wildcats!!!

[RonnyD]

paperboy, on 07 March 2012 - 11:30 AM, said:

I still want to know what he was convicted of. Does anyone know?

As I understand it, there is no conviction of any kind involved here. Someone from Elida can correct me if I am wrong, but from what I have heard, he didn't serve "jail time." He had a strike against him for the stealing incident, and therefore was put on juvenile probation. Any type of misbehavior at school would result in breaking said probation. The cheating/conflict then arose, causing him to serve another school suspension and time at the JDC.

Now, I have a general issue with kids that are sent to JDC. I have the same issue with this young man. Most feel entitled, do not like rules, and just in general show a lack of regard for authority. They need to be disciplined and counseled so they can learn from their mistakes. HOWEVER, there is a huge difference between jail and JDC. You can be sent to JDC for truancy, for instance. They are not the same.

I struggle with how Elida is supposed to handle this situation without seeming to go overboard on the student-athlete. Maybe other rules were broken during his few months attending Elida, but so far all we have heard about at Elida is stealing an iPod, and being accused of cheating on a test, leading to conflict with a teacher. If that is all that has occurred during his time at Elida, how does it warrant more than what he has received? The school and athletic office have specific policies and guidelines. Each has seemingly followed those in each situation.

[paynepanthers]

The suspensions at Elida were based on classroom incidents, not theft.

[Dman]

RonnyD:

Do you or ANYBODY vouch for this kid and his character? I'm not asking this as a trick question. I'm asking this to give an opportunity for some deep soul searching. Knowing this kid's history, are you satisfied that this additional 3 game suspension is adequate to turn this kid's life around? If you are, why? How does this additional 3 games wipe the slate clean and satisfy even the most ridiculously minimal of moral/ethical standards?

Call me old fashioned, out-of-touch, etc...but I fail to see how any ADULT could vouch for this kid's character one week after serving jail time. Say that to yourself five (5) times...and tell me if your stomach does not turn just a bit. "One week after serving jail time "little johnny" is representing Elida on the basketball court." I can't say it 5 times without laughing!

This is not about what is best for the kid. This is not about what is best for the school. This is about what is best to win basketball games. There is no way to be convinced otherwise.

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The school and athletic office have specific policies and guidelines.

And IF you honestly buy into this and want to pretend that the adults "want to do more"...but cannot...Elida's specific policies and guidelines are chicken-*******! There is no way this kid practiced while he was doing time. That alone is enough for multiple game removals at schools where "policies and guidelines" are written with any integrity. No practice...no play! This is standard operation.

Safe to say that any school "policy and procedure" manual that contains loopholes allowing minors to steal computers, cheat on tests, go to jail, miss practices... and still play on the basketball team less than 1 week after his release...could adequatley be described as a chicken-******* document.

Any Elida coach or administrator who defends such "policies and procedures" as reasonable should rightfully have their qualifications to work with children closely examined.

I double-dog dare ANY of you to put your reputation on the line and VOUCH for this kid. That is exactly what the Elida coaches and administration is doing if they actually go through with this and let the kid play. They are in effect vouching for this kid's character. They are telling the world that they believe this kid is rehabilitated and deserves a sixth (6) chance to "get it."

I opine that adults whose judgement is so poor as to be fooled five times, and STILL utilize the same appeasing policies that failed those 5 times, should not be ANYWHERE near institutions charged with teaching our kids. This is the same pathetic judgement that landed the Dunbar kid in jail.

Edited by Dman, 07 March 2012 - 02:20 PM.

[osufan512]

clutch, on 06 March 2012 - 05:22 PM, said:

You have an awkward obsession with LCC. Don't need to be making false accusations either....

No kidding! This guy is ridiculous!! I thought there were some other not-LCC friendly people on this site, but this guy takes the cake! LCC has NOTHING to do with this thread yet in almost every post LCC or private/Christian schools has been mentioned.

WE HAVE A NEW person at #1 on the LCC-haters list! Wow!

Edited by osufan512, 07 March 2012 - 02:29 PM.

[Dman]

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The suspensions at Elida were based on classroom incidents, not theft.

If this is true, then we are talking about the 7th opportunity for him to get it? Out of curiosity, is there any number of "incidents" in that Elida "policy and procedure" manual where enough is enough?

Next time I get caught speeding...I plan on having my lawyer argue that the Elida "policy and procedure" manual holds jurisdiction!

[RealitySpeaks]

RonnyD, on 07 March 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:

I struggle with how Elida is supposed to handle this situation without seeming to go overboard on the student-athlete. Maybe other rules were broken during his few months attending Elida, but so far all we have heard about at Elida is stealing an iPod, and being accused of cheating on a test, leading to conflict with a teacher. If that is all that has occurred during his time at Elida, how does it warrant more than what he has received? The school and athletic office have specific policies and guidelines. Each has seemingly followed those in each situation.

Let's say he goes to the Speedway station "at Elida" and steals a candy bar (theft). After getting caught stealing the candy bar, he tries to change the price tag (cheating) on a sleeve of Crispy Creme doughnuts. He then gets into a "conflict" with the store clerk.

What do you suppose should happen?

[4sportstruthonly]

Wow Dman! Talk about angry or obsessed, how does his behavior change your life in any way or form? You seem obsessed with his behavior, how does it make a difference in your life?

[lepiota]

If we could just find someone to kick him in the head, knee him in the groin, and fake hump him one to grow on, we just might get this kid straightened out.

[paynepanthers]

Dman, on 07 March 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

If this is true, then we are talking about the 7th opportunity for him to get it? Out of curiosity, is there any number of "incidents" in that Elida "policy and procedure" manual where enough is enough?

Next time I get caught speeding...I plan on having my lawyer argue that the Elida "policy and procedure" manual holds jurisdiction!

Prior to Elida the student had a theft issue at Shawnee that resulted in restitution, community service and being on placed on some level of parole, the student's issues at LCC presumably is what got him to Shawnee. The student enrolls at Elida his home district since the sixth grade. The Elida school district accepts the student, he becomes a member of the basketball team and agrees to abide by Elida's school and athletic code of conduct. The student has a classroom incident in which the teacher writes him up for insubordination. He receives a 1 day and 1 game suspension. During this time he also spends a short time in JDC for failing to fulfill his obligations from the Shawnee incident. The student has a second classroom incident involving an allegation of cheating. The student is written up resulting in a 3 day suspension and thus far a 3 game athletic suspension. With the second suspension at Elida he is placed in JDC for a short stay for violations of is agreement from the Shawnee incident.

Edited by paynepanthers, 07 March 2012 - 03:06 PM.

[RonnyD]

Wait a second - who is "vouching" for anyone's character here? What does that have to do with anything regarding how Elida handled his suspension from school and athletically? You are telling me the only way any kid on any high school team should be allowed to play is if their character can be "vouched" for???? I played with many kids in my day who I trusted about as far as I could throw them... they still played.

I have not condoned anything this young man did. I have not said he should not have been punished. Far from it. My issue is with some people (i.e. mostly you) calling for harsher punishment than what fits the crime.

At this point, whatever happened at St. Rose and Shawnee is basically beside the point. Can Elida take those things into consideration when disciplining him now? I don't know how that works, to be honest. I do know that as a school system, they'd probably be putting themselves in a tough situation legally if they kicked him off the team, threw him out of school, etc. based solely on his trangressions at Elida.

Again, that is what student handbooks and school policies are for. They give a litmus test on how certain situations will be handled, both for the sake of the school, as well as the student. In today's day and age, as disgusting as it may be, if you overstep your bounds when handing down punishment, you get sued, unfortunately.

[Rocketman]

And a good way to end this discussion....... let's play ball!