The 2013 Hall of Fame voting was announced yesterday. Not a single player on the ballot received the necessary 75% of the vote to be inducted.
My take:
Craig Biggio and Jack Morris deserve to get in. They need about 50 more votes.
I am surprised how low Curt Schilling's vote was.
Edgar Martinez gets less than half the number of votes needed. I guess DH is not a HOF-worthy position.
Alan Trammell was underappreciated when he played, and it continues in the HOF vote.
Fred McGriff's vote was surprisingly low.
Dale Murphy only received 18.6% of the votes in his last year of eligibility. Why didn't he get much more support? Hope the Vet Committee fixes this one as soon as possible.
Don Mattingly only got 13.2% of the vote. I thought he would be near the top.
The steroid era has reached the HOF ballot. The writers aren't ready to support the likes of Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Sosa and Palmeiro. If this crew ever makes it in, Peter Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson should be autmatically added.
75% required for induction Player Votes 2013% 2012% Less than 75% of vote, but still on ballot. Craig Biggio 388 68.2% 1st Yr Jack Morris 385 67.7% 66.7% Jeff Bagwell 339 59.6% 56.0% Mike Piazza 329 57.8% 1st Yr Tim Raines 297 52.2% 48.7% Lee Smith 272 47.8% 50.6% Curt Schilling 221 38.8% 1st Yr Roger Clemens 214 37.6% 1st Yr Barry Bonds 206 36.2% 1st Yr Edgar Martinez 204 35.9% 36.5% Alan Trammell 191 33.6% 36.8% Larry Walker 123 21.6% 22.9% Fred McGriff 118 20.7% 23.9% Dale Murphy** 106 18.6% 14.5% Mark McGwire 96 16.9% 19.5% Don Mattingly 75 13.2% 17.8% Sammy Sosa 71 12.5% 1st Yr Rafael Palmeiro 50 8.8% 12.6% Less than 5%, will not be on next year's ballot Bernie Williams 19 3.3% 9.6% Kenny Lofton 18 3.2% 1st Yr Sandy Alomar 16 2.8% 1st Yr Julio Franco 6 1.1% 1st Yr David Wells 5 0.9% 1st Yr Steve Finley 4 0.7% 1st Yr Shawn Green 2 0.4% 1st Yr Aaron Sele 1 0.2% 1st Yr Reggie Sanders 0 0.0% 1st Yr Jeff Cirillo 0 0.0% 1st Yr Woody Williams 0 0.0% 1st Yr Rondell White 0 0.0% 1st Yr Ryan Klesko 0 0.0% 1st Yr Roberto Hernandez 0 0.0% 1st Yr Royce Clayton 0 0.0% 1st Yr Jeff Conine 0 0.0% 1st Yr Mike Stanton 0 0.0% 1st Yr Jose Mesa 0 0.0% 1st Yr Todd Walker 0 0.0% 1st Yr **15 yrs on ballot, will not be on next year's ballot
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2013 HOF Vote
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 03:15 PM
Curt Schilling is absolutely hated by his peers and sports writers......when I look at that list, the only one's that I see deserving are Bonds, Clemens and Jack Morris......I feel that Bonds and Clemens, even though steroid use is believed and even if true.....they are both worthy with the numbers they put up before roids.......and I have no use for either one of those 2 arrogant a$$holes!!!!!!
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 06:55 PM
I personally don't care one bit about the steroid stuff and WOULD vote for those guys, assuming they were, in my mind, good enough to put up big numbers without steroids. I'm not convinced Sosa, Palmeiro, or McGwire would have. My ballot this year would have been- Biggio, Morris, Bonds, Clemens, Edgar Martinez, Trammel, Piazza.
I'm shocked Biggio didn't get in honestly. 3000 hits, never a question about steroids, and seems like a good guy...he seemed like a shoo in to me. Maybe it was the fact that he was never a truly GREAT player but just really good for a long time. He'll get in eventually though.
Morris has a questionable case with his high ERA, but in the end I feel he deserves it. And I've said it before and will continue saying it til he gets in or the world ends, but if Ozzie Smith is in the Hall of Fame then Alan Trammell should be a slam dunk. Their defensive differences aren't really that much, and Trammell was a far away better offensive player. The differences were Smith played in the NL, was flashy, and played for a team people like. Trammell was stuck in the AL with Ripken and Yount, in a city that everyone loves to pile on, and he just went to work everyday not trying to make a name for himself.
Finally, I know a lot of people don't like the idea of DH's being inducted. But as long as the rule is there, they're players too. And Edger Martinez was the best to ever do it. If the argument against him is he just doesn't have the numbers, alright. If it's because he was a DH, then people need to get over it. Same with closers.
I'm shocked Biggio didn't get in honestly. 3000 hits, never a question about steroids, and seems like a good guy...he seemed like a shoo in to me. Maybe it was the fact that he was never a truly GREAT player but just really good for a long time. He'll get in eventually though.
Morris has a questionable case with his high ERA, but in the end I feel he deserves it. And I've said it before and will continue saying it til he gets in or the world ends, but if Ozzie Smith is in the Hall of Fame then Alan Trammell should be a slam dunk. Their defensive differences aren't really that much, and Trammell was a far away better offensive player. The differences were Smith played in the NL, was flashy, and played for a team people like. Trammell was stuck in the AL with Ripken and Yount, in a city that everyone loves to pile on, and he just went to work everyday not trying to make a name for himself.
Finally, I know a lot of people don't like the idea of DH's being inducted. But as long as the rule is there, they're players too. And Edger Martinez was the best to ever do it. If the argument against him is he just doesn't have the numbers, alright. If it's because he was a DH, then people need to get over it. Same with closers.
Edited by dhsdawg06, 10 January 2013 - 06:57 PM.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 07:57 PM
None of the Roids guys will get in. McGwires numbers have went down every yr since hes been eligible. Biggio, Morris and Tramm deserve to be in. Doesnt Jack have 300 wins?
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 08:24 PM
KahneFan, on 17 January 2013 - 07:57 PM, said:
None of the Roids guys will get in. McGwires numbers have went down every yr since hes been eligible. Biggio, Morris and Tramm deserve to be in. Doesnt Jack have 300 wins?
254. I think his almost 4 ERA is REALLY hurting him, but while wins isn't the best measure of a pitcher, when a guy is the wins leader for an entire decade like he was for the 80s, wins 18, 19, and 21 games for 3 World Series teams, and wins 4 rings overall, you'd think he'd be a lock.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 11:37 AM
It mite be tough for Morris to get in but he was a big game pitcher!! I also think Biggio gets in-3000 hits!!
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:42 PM
Morris' ERA might be a bit inflated because of his home ballparks - Tiger Stadium and the Metrodome. Neither was considered pitcher-friendly. Still, in the 80's and 90's there wasn't a better big game pitcher, and he often finished what he started. He should get in, even without 300 wins.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:50 PM
With Morris only having 1 year left and Maddux and Glavine eligible next year, I really doubt he gets in by the writers. The Veteran's committee very well could get him in though.
Biggio I think this year was hurt simply because he was never an elite player, just a really good one for a long period. So a lot of people see as a Hall of Famer, but not a first ballot guy. I don't know if he'll get in next year with Maddux/Glavine/Frank Thomas all on the ballot, but I think he'll have no problem getting in eventually. I don't know very many guys that get 67% in their first year and don't eventually get in.
Biggio I think this year was hurt simply because he was never an elite player, just a really good one for a long period. So a lot of people see as a Hall of Famer, but not a first ballot guy. I don't know if he'll get in next year with Maddux/Glavine/Frank Thomas all on the ballot, but I think he'll have no problem getting in eventually. I don't know very many guys that get 67% in their first year and don't eventually get in.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:53 PM
flounder, on 10 January 2013 - 03:15 PM, said:
......I feel that Bonds and Clemens, even though steroid use is believed and even if true.....they are both worthy with the numbers they put up before roids.......
.........how about 4,256 hits as a pre-req?
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