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[ADog]

lepiota, on 22 February 2014 - 09:38 AM, said:

It is. We had a bad recruiting class

Hmmm Time to bring back a former coach? Heard he was pretty good at this thing you call recruiting

[dartmaster63]

the_beezer, on 22 February 2014 - 09:34 AM, said:

Way to early to be putting Wapak as the top dog in the WBL. We have a new coach and possibly a new approach to the way Wapak plays football. Frye said several times Wapak needs to learn how to win then expect to win. Wapak has always had a issue with staying consistent even when they had a lot of talent back. Frye brought a tough program where the was no excuses you played hard you practiced and lifted hard. No one here can guess what approach Moyer will have with a bunch of kids he has never met or seen developing.

While I agree its way too early to put Wapak at the top of the heap in the WBL with the new coach and the changes that go with that....

I would say that Moyer certainly has a proven track record, even if it is at a lower division and less competitve conference,
to win 58 regular season games in a row
The man knows how to win and how to teach players how to win
The expectation is to WIN!

Edited by dartmaster63, 22 February 2014 - 06:19 PM.

[lepiota]

I'm all for recruiting. I just don't like it when people can't admit it, lol

[Football Freak]

The nice thing about getting Moyer is he is in his thirties and could be coaching here a long time and have some stability

[The Owl]

I'm amazed at the continual lack of respect that otherwise knowledgable football fans have for the OG program. Until this year 8 straight playoff appearances and an AVERAGE regular season record of 8-2 during those 8 years. OG hasn't had a losing record since 2003. Only Kenton can top that, and look at the number of D1 studs they've found in their program.

Despite being the smallest school in the league and not much more than half the size of Wapak, they have clearly been the second best team in the WBL behind Kenton for the past decade. Even so, I'm pretty sure OG has split the last 6 games with Kenton going 2-2 against Maty Mauk and 1-1 against Sherman. I wouldn't be surprised if OG has the better head to head record against Kenton in the last 10 years.

Does anyone have access to the head to head scores in the WBL? Paging Teddy?

I think OG has lost to Elida ONE TIME since 1995, and that was when Elida was loaded and OG had 7 starters out for stupidity. Celina's win this year vs OG was the first win for a very long time, maybe a decade. Defiance too had lost quite a few in a row until they got a win this year.

Wapak has won 3 of the last 4 solely because of Frye, but I still think OG is 7-3 for the last ten. Saint Marys had a better head to head vs. OG until Frye left and since then it was a debacle. Not sure Bath or Van Wert have beaten OG even once? When was the last time Bath or Van Wert beat OG? Van Wert may have been 2006, 2004?

Kenton's got to develop a new QB and "find" another WR that can kill it. Who is Kenton's next QB, and where did he transfer from? Celina lost a lot of seniors, as did Defiance - though Buti's Bunch is clearly on the upswing and looking promising after a decade of frustration. Elida has finally run out of D1 caliber athletes. Wapak lost their head coach and maybe much of their staff not to mention ANOTHER monster FB.
Bath and VW have a long ways to go and need to find some skilled athletes. SM will be in the top 3 in the league again because Frye is that good, but hard to think they do any better than 5-5 the first year.

OG will have a strong senior group next year that has played significant time since they were sophomores, even among that undefeated 2012 squad. Schriner can get away with a "game manager" at QB better than anyone else in the league, and if their OL gets straightened out this could be anywhere from a 8 to a 10 win team. Their run defense was strong last year with half the talent that Kenton had, but they'll have to do better defending the pass which I think they will.

Don't sleep on OG.

http://www.wblsports...printformat.pdf


SCHOOL SIZES:
Ottawa-Glandorf--208--214--5
Bath--216--331--3
Kenton--226--285--4
Van Wert--233--270--4
St. Marys--285-293--3
Shawnee--289-387--3
Elida--316--427--3
Defiance--318--334--3
Celina--328--339--3
Wapakoneta--359--442--2

Edited by The Owl, 23 February 2014 - 11:43 AM.

[magnum]

What you think are the best WBL rivalries? If you win that game, even a losing season isn't so bad.

[NWbballfan]

magnum, on 23 February 2014 - 12:41 PM, said:

What you think are the best WBL rivalries? If you win that game, even a losing season isn't so bad.

Kenton-OG, celina-sm, elida-bath top 3 imo. Now a days you also have wapak-sm.

[Teddy Malone]

Whoa, settle down Owl. I don't think anyone is disrespecting O-G. The few actual predictions on this thread so far have O-G in their top 5 for next year. No level-headed, objective O-G fan would say without any doubt that the Titans are guaranteed to finish first or second in the WBL next year. As for your inquiry, here are the last ten Kenton/O-G scores:

2013: Kenton 34-10
2012: O-G 52-16
2011: Kenton 36-20
2010: O-G 22-20
2009: Kenton 26-10
2008: O-G 29-28
2007: O-G 35-14
2006: Kenton 30-3
2005: O-G 38-20
2004: O-G 26-17

[The Owl]

Teddy Malone, on 23 February 2014 - 11:53 PM, said:

Whoa, settle down Owl. I don't think anyone is disrespecting O-G. The few actual predictions on this thread so far have O-G in their top 5 for next year. No level-headed, objective O-G fan would say without any doubt that the Titans are guaranteed to finish first or second in the WBL next year. As for your inquiry, here are the last ten Kenton/O-G scores:

2013: Kenton 34-10
2012: O-G 52-16
2011: Kenton 36-20
2010: O-G 22-20
2009: Kenton 26-10
2008: O-G 29-28
2007: O-G 35-14
2006: Kenton 30-3
2005: O-G 38-20
2004: O-G 26-17

I'm quite settled.

No one is being disrespectful, but continually being overlooked as one of the top teams in the WBL is a lack of respect in my book.

OG played a lot of juniors and sophomores last year and should be a top 3 team in the league.

[redskin rowdy]

Unfortunate we only have posters from about half the league here.

[the_beezer]

Im going to start posting for Van Wert now.

[fiver]

Shawnee has a good group returning, Fox is a great running back when he's 100%

[The Guilty Bystander]

I based my initial WAY TOO EARLY prediction based on returning talent. Every year I make sure to see at least every team once.

In my opinion, Wapak has a lot of returning talent. What remains to be seen is how Moyer does. Some great coaches fail at certain schools for one reason or another, it just ends up not being a good fit, it's just that simple.

Owl - Ken Schriner, year in and year out, overachieves with the talent he has on hand. He's really built a great program at OG, I just don't see the big time 1,500 yard rusher or the stud LB that gets 120 tackles right now. Maybe one of those sophomores will step up and be that guy and OG will be in the hunt.

I love the fact that none of us know who Kenton will "recruit" at QB for next year but we all acknowledge that Kenton will in fact go "outside the program" to get a signal caller. Keepin' it Klassy in K-Town

This year is going to be a major transitional year for the WBL, Kenton and Wapak hit the reset button on successful programs, lots of the big time guys are gone, and SM welcomes home the prodigal son (Doug Frye).

[The Owl]

The Guilty Bystander, on 25 February 2014 - 10:35 AM, said:

I based my initial WAY TOO EARLY prediction based on returning talent. Every year I make sure to see at least every team once.

In my opinion, Wapak has a lot of returning talent. What remains to be seen is how Moyer does. Some great coaches fail at certain schools for one reason or another, it just ends up not being a good fit, it's just that simple.

Owl - Ken Schriner, year in and year out, overachieves with the talent he has on hand. He's really built a great program at OG, I just don't see the big time 1,500 yard rusher or the stud LB that gets 120 tackles right now. Maybe one of those sophomores will step up and be that guy and OG will be in the hunt.

I love the fact that none of us know who Kenton will "recruit" at QB for next year but we all acknowledge that Kenton will in fact go "outside the program" to get a signal caller. Keepin' it Klassy in K-Town

This year is going to be a major transitional year for the WBL, Kenton and Wapak hit the reset button on successful programs, lots of the big time guys are gone, and SM welcomes home the prodigal son (Doug Frye).

How was Kenton's JV QB last year?

You can only run that offense with a great QB and 1-2 really good WRs.

Maybe Kenton will (gasp) start using a RB?

OG had a couple kids move in last year that got on the field a bit that have some potential, as well as being fairly long and athletic at a lot of different positions.

Edited by The Owl, 25 February 2014 - 10:57 AM.

[redskin rowdy]

The Guilty Bystander, on 25 February 2014 - 10:35 AM, said:

I based my initial WAY TOO EARLY prediction based on returning talent. Every year I make sure to see at least every team once.

In my opinion, Wapak has a lot of returning talent. What remains to be seen is how Moyer does. Some great coaches fail at certain schools for one reason or another, it just ends up not being a good fit, it's just that simple.

Owl - Ken Schriner, year in and year out, overachieves with the talent he has on hand. He's really built a great program at OG, I just don't see the big time 1,500 yard rusher or the stud LB that gets 120 tackles right now. Maybe one of those sophomores will step up and be that guy and OG will be in the hunt.

I love the fact that none of us know who Kenton will "recruit" at QB for next year but we all acknowledge that Kenton will in fact go "outside the program" to get a signal caller. Keepin' it Klassy in K-Town

This year is going to be a major transitional year for the WBL, Kenton and Wapak hit the reset button on successful programs, lots of the big time guys are gone, and SM welcomes home the prodigal son (Doug Frye).

I wondered that myself if they would use a RB at times next year.

[Colt45]

The Owl, on 25 February 2014 - 10:55 AM, said:

How was Kenton's JV QB last year?

You can only run that offense with a great QB and 1-2 really good WRs.

Maybe Kenton will (gasp) start using a RB?

OG had a couple kids move in last year that got on the field a bit that have some potential, as well as being fairly long and athletic at a lot of different positions.

Well Kenton JV QB was a senior so there's that. Right now I am hearing they don't know who is going to play QB.

[NWbballfan]

I really don't see a dominating team next year like Kenton in years past. I think wapak has the best chance to win it but it could really go any way with Kenton OG elida Shawnee celina. All have a good core coming back and you always never know about frye in st Mary's. I see a more balanced WBL.

[The Owl]

Colt45, on 25 February 2014 - 02:11 PM, said:

Well Kenton JV QB was a senior so there's that. Right now I am hearing they don't know who is going to play QB.

Wow, and wow.

A senior JV QB? That doesn't make much sense. No young transfers the last couple of years?

And if they don't know who the QB is, then it's going to be tough to run the same type of offense with 90% of the load on the QB's shoulders.

[redskin rowdy]

Any team shake up their week 1 schedule from last year?

[madman]

Celina is graduating a lot of talent. I would not put them in the top half.