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[Bigdogg79]

I saw the Parkway ace pitched 93 last night. I would be upset if it was my kid throwing that many right out of the gate in this weather.

[roarintiger1]

It depends on how they have been training up to this point. Has the kid been throwing that many during many practices up to this point? Or have they just started a couple of weeks ago? If it is truly the ace pitching, the coach knows the answers to these questions.

[Common Sense]

Hard saying. Some kids have been throwing regularly since January. I'd hope that if he's only been throwing for a few weeks, that 93 pitches in the first game is a little much. Then again he's been resting all winter!

[veteranlefty]

I agree with Roarin.....some kids have been throwing since early January and have ramped up to 90-100 pitches. If this is the case then no problem. The problems occur when a kid goes from 30 pitches to 90 or when kid throws 90 on Monday and then tries to throw 50 on Wednesday. Proper routine with icing, stretching, long tossing and running all come into play as well.

[fortfan]

Our ace threw 97. He wasn't going to throw over 100. I think it depends on the kid. A big strong kid can throw a lot right out of the gate as long as he wont pitch again for 4-5 days.

It is a lot of pitches-but our guy has been the ace for 2 years now-so we kind of know his limits.

I see Parkway won 3-0. I guess they wanted to win the game.

[Bigdogg79]

Wow, you guys are crazy. Way too cold and early in the season. Tommy John surgery is at epidemic levels for youth baseball.
http://ftw.usatoday....ry-youth-sports

Edited by Bigdogg79, 31 March 2015 - 01:57 PM.

[fortfan]

Kid from Lincolnview threw 127 last night....in a game he was losing....

[lepiota]

fortfan, on 01 April 2015 - 04:38 AM, said:

Kid from Lincolnview threw 127 last night....in a game he was losing....

That happens sometimes in the smaller schools with less pitching. Perry had a kid a cople of years ago and they just threw him forever. I had an ACME coach get my kid up to 125 once, so I just went down to the dugout and said he was done, lol

[charliesheen]

fortfan, on 01 April 2015 - 04:38 AM, said:

Kid from Lincolnview threw 127 last night....in a game he was losing....

Sorry, but anybody would do that to a kid in 40 degree weather in March really should be looking for a new job....he has no business coaching HS kids

[lepiota]

And the coach will say, "He said his arm felt fine."
They all say their arm feels fine. You can't trust them, they are teenage boys

[Sports Fanatic]

Guys,
The research shows it's not the number of pitches that matter, it's the amount of rest between outings that matter. Now again, that assumes they have worked their way up to that pitch count. If they've been throwing since January, properly, throwing 100 pitches right now is no big deal. But having said that, they shouldn't pitch again for 4-5 days.

[Common Sense]

Each kids different. Pitched in high school and college...a lot. Didn't ice, stretch, long toss. Just threw a lot. Two things that work...get your legs in shape and throw a lot. You don't go run a marathon in a week. You build up your body over time. If your legs aren't in shape, you'll have a sore arm, guarantee it.

[charliesheen]

Sports Fanatic, on 01 April 2015 - 09:00 AM, said:

Guys,
The research shows it's not the number of pitches that matter, it's the amount of rest between outings that matter. Now again, that assumes they have worked their way up to that pitch count. If they've been throwing since January, properly, throwing 100 pitches right now is no big deal. But having said that, they shouldn't pitch again for 4-5 days.

There is a big difference between throwing 100 in practice...and 127 in a game. Assuming he threw all 7 innings....and at least 4 or 5 pitches between each inning, he's at 160+.....thats a long way from 100.

[Common Sense]

Pretty tough at a lot of schools to take 4-5 days off between appearances. Many high school teams have 4-5 games a week. Some teams have only 4-5 pitchers.

[roarintiger1]

I believe the temperature was in the upper 50s or even 60 degrees when this happened. It wasn't 40.

[charliesheen]

roarintiger1, on 01 April 2015 - 08:26 PM, said:

I believe the temperature was in the upper 50s or even 60 degrees when this happened. It wasn't 40.

It never got above 45 yesterday in NW Ohio. I was at a game yesterday....it was 43 at first pitch....38 at 7pm when the game ended.

[dc99]

14 pitches per inning sounds efficient. If he threw 93 pitches in 3 innings then I would share the concern. Workload difference.

[Hagen]

Common Sense, on 01 April 2015 - 09:19 AM, said:

Each kids different.

TJ comes from stress on the elbow. Doesn't matter if it's 30 pitches or 120. If a kid has proper mechanics and isn't throwing his hardest every pitch, he can go longer than someone who let's his elbow drop too far (causing strain) and tries to fire it in every time. Pitch counts are an indication, but they don't tell the entire story. Some kids could throw 100 pitches and be fine with proper rest. Others could be sore for days after 50. It's all about strain placed on the elbow ligaments.

[General Tso]

Bob Feller once said that he hurt his arm not throwing enough.

[roarintiger1]

charliesheen, I could be wrong, but I believe the game in question was played on March 30th not the 31st.. There was a big difference in gametime temps for those days.