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[sideliner]

I heard that the couple kids that are not going out does not like the coach. Whats the scope??????

[Dr. Hibbert]

I don't think it has anything to do with "liking" the coach. The two in question both have jobs, but I think the underlying problem is the way discipline is meted out. As I have mentioned on previous threads, discipline was dished out very inconsistently. "Star" basketball players could throw helmets, bats, gloves, and in one case his own batting gloves over the dugout...but "I didn't see it" was coach's response; non-star basketball players were not afforded that same luxury. Additionally, last season a senior captain refused to run out two pop ups to first base - electing instead to walk back to the dugout; again, some kids would have been seeing some serious bench time after base running negligence like that.

Edited by Dr. Hibbert, 28 January 2007 - 08:41 AM.

[sportslover]

i'd say kailda and than jennings they got two scholorship athletes playing for them but kailda will be good

[FTJ]

Sportslover,

Just curious as to who are the two scholarship players from Jennings and where are they going to college at? Thanks.

[FrOnT RoW JOE]

jennings?? never heard any of them having scholorships....both should go out whether they like the coach or not...he is a good coach and I am sure he does his best at coaching his own son...it would be very difficult to coach your son especially when Bens attitude does sometimes get himself in to trouble....but it is hard when you work your but off and yo do everything you can and your team is not going anywhere...not saying it is right, but MANY of the kids have attitude problems and the same punishment is handed out to ALL no matter who it is....When Kurtis Brown played I seen him get an attitude when he wasnt doing well its just a winning nature and not as many people complained when he did it...but because Ben is coaches son does that mean he cant have an attitude??? they ALL need to stop or the program will be the same for the next 10 years as it has the last 10 years...

[Dr. Hibbert]

Joe, thanks! You just proved my point: { When Kurtis Brown played I seen him get an attitude when he wasnt doing well its just a winning nature and not as many people complained when he did it...} Why was it ok for Kurtis Brown to have a tantrum when it was just his "winning nature" when non basketball stars with the same "winning attitude" were benched for breaking team policy?That is where the double standard comes in. If not throwing gloves, helmets, bats, etc. is a TEAM POLICY then EVERY MEMBER should face the consequences; it's just that simple.

{but MANY of the kids have attitude problems and the same punishment is handed out to ALL no matter who it is....} The two quotes I have taken from your last post are quite contradictory. Many people have commented about how some players got away with things that others wouldn't.

Is it hard to coach your own son...or daughter for that matter? Yes, to a degree. I have coached my son in the past, and currently coach my daughter. Both of them will tell you that they catch more @%&!@*@^ than anyone else on their respective teams...one has to send a message that everyone is fair game - an equal opportunity disciplinarian if you will.

Yes the attitudes need to change but it is frustrating to the kids to see the "basketball stars" who never give the program a minute during the summer, and only one year of their high school career, break team rules while the kids who play every summer, who love the game, are the ones being made examples of.

Edited by Dr. Hibbert, 28 January 2007 - 04:58 PM.

[FrOnT RoW JOE]

Hibb, I never disagreed with you at all...my point exactly was Kurtis never did get any trouble for anything he did...I KNOW for a fact that Ben has got #$$^& from his dad....it can be worst you know some of the coaches we had when I played in the past....I also dont think it has ANYTHING to do with being basketball stars...who other than Ben would you be refering to as "basketball stars"??

[Dr. Hibbert]

Joe, the basketball stars played over the past couple of years & are graduated.

[FrOnT RoW JOE]

ok, sorry all I know is to make the baseball program go in the right direction it starts with the coach and I think he is doing a fine job...hopefully everyone goes out this year and makes a good start and shows leadership for the younger kids to not give up...

[sideliner]

Hey Dr. I agree with you 110%

[Dr. Hibbert]

Thanks for the validation Sideliner, I was hoping someone would have my back on this topic! Like I stated earlier in this thread, many people have noticed the double standard as far as discipline is concerned.

Can't be easy taking over a program as down trodden as CHS's baseball. Wish the team - players & coaches the best of luck.

[Mr. X]

Doc, I have noticed those things too. Can't say as I blame some of the kids for not going out this year.

[FrOnT RoW JOE]

as once said before thats not a good reason to not go out

[FullCourtPress]

I think the kids just get tired of getting yelled at or even setting a game or 2 for their actions, when the other kids could do the same thing and the coach acts like nothing happened. what you do for one you must do for all. makes sense to me.

FCP

[sideliner]

Come on Joe, kids think alot differently than adults do. I am over the hill, and I even know that.

[FrOnT RoW JOE]

I am sticking up for the coach all the way...I cant help that becuase of 2 players are not going to go out because they had to sit a couple games...you guys act like Miller is picking on your kids just because...I never said you were wrong about maybe taking a look at the discipline...Im just saying these kids need to go out and see what happens...coach Miller and all involved in the program are doing an excellent job in trying to turn a piss poor baseball program into something and it makes it harder when parents are trying to control what he is doing...

those involoved start from little kids all the way through highschool are doing great...keep up the good work! I respect that coach Miller is there doing and it could have been alot worse...for instance Greg Scherer!! Miller isnt there for just his son

Edited by FrOnT RoW JOE, 01 February 2007 - 09:22 AM.

[sideliner]

Joe, for the record the one kid never had to sit. And another thing the parents are NOT trying to control what he is doing. I do not have a kid playing ball, but I am telling you what I have seen. When the coaches son gets thrown out at first base and he is mad and says God D......, loud enough for the umpire to hear it, the fans to hear it, and last the coach (the father) to hear and says or does nothing, give me a break JOE. What kind of measage does that send to all the kids on the bench, the fans in the stand, parents, granparents and soo on. And then you say the kids should give him a chance this year. The kids have given him a chance in the past years. So

[Mr. X]

Joe, you don't think that selective discipline is a bad thing? I am sorry but I have to disagree with you on this one. I know I wouldn't like to be a player who gets made an example of while others who do the same thing or even worse get nothing done to them. I don't have a kid playing yet but as a parent I would be livid if those types of things happened to my kids.

[Dr. Hibbert]

I think the kids just get tired of getting yelled at or even setting a game or 2 for their actions, when the other kids could do the same thing and the coach acts like nothing happened. what you do for one you must do for all. makes sense to me.

FCP

Makes sense to me too FCP. As I have stated previously, discipline needs to be fair AND consistent - simple as that.

I don't know what you are talking about with your "parents trying to control what he is doing" comment; that just boggles the mind. Also the comment directed toward the former coach was totally uncalled for.

I don't want this to turn into a pi$$ing match however. I know & like Coach Miller so I don't have any axe to grind there. It is just a fundamental difference in how we both define & execute discipline. Peace

[FrOnT RoW JOE]

that wasnt directed at you....again did I ever say you were wrong so whats the deal?? I have seen the good discipline as well as when maybe more should have been given out....I just feel that Miller isnt getting enough credit for what he is doing instead getting called out about his disipline...
I have never said selective discipline is a good thing....never!! I am just saying I that you guys act like it is selective and I dont think it is...how many of times did Kurtis get yelled out by Homier?? not as much as some would...it all depends on the player I guess....