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[FlightCrew]

I do find it ironic that in adult life, coaches, managers, GM's, supervisors etc get fired or replaced due to poor performance, but God forbid anyone complain about a high school coach or referee and ask that they be replaced ....

[flounder]

Mysterio, on 26 April 2017 - 08:52 AM, said:

Well I hate to disappoint your theory but that's not entirely true. I sense a little hostility out of you flounder toward the Ottoville community. Why is that? Is it the Blue Jay pride in you? Or you just like stiring up the pot a bit? Sure there might be some parents that are soft and don't want coaches to discipline their kids but get your head out of Wannies and look around. It happens elsewhere maybe not as much, maybe even more.

Sterio......

My friend....we at DSJ went through this twice and trust me, many people had no clue about what was going on.....I mean, they went to games and the discipline of the players was horrible.......it all is a reflection.....first on the school, then the parents, a finally on the community......listen my little buddy.....I could care less if you as a community cannot figure it out, but I would like to see Otown become competitive in hs basketball.....believe it or not, but it will bring your community together

[flounder]

First of alll.....Studly....I love your passion for Ottoville basketball, but you can quit throwing Todd under the bus....he is gone....so now you can drill the next coach....

Like I said earlier, I have no dog in this fight so to speak, but O'town is only 8 miles north of Delphos and I know many people that would love to see Ottoville make a resurgence and be respectable again.......tell the parents to work their jobs and quit trying to coach their sons when they arrive home after a loss or a grueling practice.....I don't give a crap how much I would have complained that things were not going good at practice or whatever.......bottom line was my parents absolutely never took my side....answer was always....toughen up the coach knows more than you,.I think that Ottoville as a community is pretty much split on the coaching issue...Interested, Outspoken, and BigGreen all have opinions similar to mine........not saying that those opinions are right, but discipline is necessary for high school players in today's sports......give in to the players and Ottoville's athletes will remain soft......toughen up and they may make a run at state.......key words are toughen up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mysterio]

Flounder I do understand what you are saying. You are correct to some degree but also wrong too. I say that respectively you know that. I used to coach so I know how parents and kids can be there and I hear how some are now. It can be a struggle. We disciplined kids and never had these kind of issues. Had a few conflicts with a few parents but we discussed things and all for better. I agree discipline is needed, but there are right and wrong ways of doing it. The way some of you guys talk, you act like Ottoville community is the only one acting that way. And like I said just because a few parents or kids might be that way doesn't mean everyone is . For TT, I feel for the guy. He likes coaching, knows the game well and has a passion for doing it. I don't have anyone close to me that has played for him so I don't have anything against the guy. But unfortunately whatever he was doing wasn't going well with kids and parents. that doesn't mean it's their fault. You are a hometown guy at a small high school and not asked to come back. Just saying.

Edited by Mysterio, 26 April 2017 - 08:07 PM.

[Mysterio]

Well no offense to your opinion flounder but outspoken and BigGreen have both shared opinions that were pretty ignorant and lacked credibility none of which you shared. I'm not trying to stir anything up here with them or you but some of the things said are pretty ridiculous. I just don't see the proof.

Edited by Mysterio, 26 April 2017 - 08:30 PM.

[basketballstud]

flounder, on 26 April 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:

First of alll.....Studly....I love your passion for Ottoville basketball, but you can quit throwing Todd under the bus....he is gone....so now you can drill the next coach....

Like I said earlier, I have no dog in this fight so to speak, but O'town is only 8 miles north of Delphos and I know many people that would love to see Ottoville make a resurgence and be respectable again.......tell the parents to work their jobs and quit trying to coach their sons when they arrive home after a loss or a grueling practice.....I don't give a crap how much I would have complained that things were not going good at practice or whatever.......bottom line was my parents absolutely never took my side....answer was always....toughen up the coach knows more than you,.I think that Ottoville as a community is pretty much split on the coaching issue...Interested, Outspoken, and BigGreen all have opinions similar to mine........not saying that those opinions are right, but discipline is necessary for high school players in today's sports......give in to the players and Ottoville's athletes will remain soft......toughen up and they may make a run at state.......key words are toughen up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

here we go again. The thinks he's knows it all flounder. Soft kids terrible parents. Discipline. The ol back in my day we puked 13 times a week, walked uphill both ways to school. Guess what all BS. Kids aren't soft they want respect. When a person of authority treats you like sh&$ They shut off. Apparently no one on here has kids. Do you beat them down so much to a point that's discipline. Do you text their parents and tell them how bad your kid played and they should play harder. Do you cut your kid cause he don't want to pay $200 for some sweatsuit. Do you put a tire around someone's neck and make them run until exhaustion because he won't pass 18 times. Do you quit time and time again on the kids. Do you call them losers because they make a turnover. Do you degrade all the kids who don't want to play basketball whom are those kids friends. Do you play with the kids minds to show your power. Do you tell junior high kids that they are gonna start immediately on varsity. Do you make them hate basketball so much and make it a 12 month sport and tell them don't worry about baseball you won't get a scholarship in that anyway. Well Hell no to every question. But it's all the parents and worthless beer guzzling soft undisciplined kids. Unbelievable. Maybe some of you people can stop being ignorant and get ur a$$ of the couch and look around.

Edited by basketballstud, 26 April 2017 - 10:33 PM.

[Interested]

I believe a lot of the issues that makes this situation at Ottoville unique has to do with numbers and respect.
The numbers of kids is down not just in basketball but in every sport and in the classroom. There was no acme baseball team last year a few younger kids even had to play in Delphos. The current freshman girls only have 2 or3 girls playing basketball and the current 7th grade only has 3 girls involved is basketball. The senior class has less then 15 kids actually in ottoville school due to kids going to vantage and next year the junior class has many kids going to vantage also.
So when numbers are low with kids in sports kids start to realize that they are someone at an advantage to the coaches because the coach needs them to play. In turn this leads to coaches having to deal
With kids not showing respect for authority.
This goes for all boys sports but because basketball draws the biggest crowds and most support it is very much critiqued more.
Not saying the coach was perfect but I do believe he was a good coach and put the time and effort into the system from grade school on up to get ottoville back to a tradition of kids actually working hard and wanting to play especially younger kids.

[General Tso]

BigGreen, on 26 April 2017 - 09:14 AM, said:

Ottoville's baseball coach a couple of years back got fired because a player broke training rules and the coach turned his head. I'm not "throwing programs under the bus." Just sharing my thoughts on the situation. During TT's first few seasons in Ottoville, there were a good handful of players that quit because they didn't like training rules.

And that baseball coach ended up coaching at Grove. I would call that a promotion.

[Mysterio]

General Tso, on 26 April 2017 - 09:35 PM, said:

And that baseball coach ended up coaching at Grove. I would call that a promotion.

Easy there, let's calm down a bit

[flounder]

basketballstud, on 26 April 2017 - 09:13 PM, said:

here we go again. The thinks he's knows it all flounder. Soft kids terrible parents. Discipline. The ol back in my day we puked 13 times a week, walked uphill both ways to school. Guess what all BS. Kids aren't soft they want respect. When a person of authority treats you like sh&$ They shut off. Apparently no one on here has kids. Do you beat them down so much to a point that's discipline. Do you text their parents and tell them how bad your kid played and they should play harder. Do you cut your kid cause he don't want to pay $200 for some sweatsuit. Do you put a tire around someone's neck and make them run until exhaustion because he won't pass 18 times. Do you quit time and time again on the kids. Do you call them losers because they make a turnover. Do you degrade all the kids who don't want to play basketball whom are those kids friends. Do you play with the kids minds to show your power. Do you tell junior high kids that they are gonna start immediately on varsity. Do you make them hate basketball so much and make it a 12 month sport and tell them don't worry about baseball you won't get a scholarship in that anyway. Well Hell no to every question. But it's all the parents and worthless beer guzzling soft undisciplined kids. Unbelievable. Maybe some of you people can stop being ignorant and get ur a$$ of the couch and look around.

Holy *******.......if all that went on I am surprised anyone lived to tell about it much less play a few basketball games.....why.....those poor boys.......lmao......studly...I will say it again...Todd is gone....the problem you have over in Otown continues with every coach...almost like you inherit it!!!!!!

[Mysterio]

And once again, people who have nothing to do with the basketball program or community continue to act as if they know what's going on.

Edited by Mysterio, 27 April 2017 - 07:00 AM.

[basketballstud]

flounder, on 27 April 2017 - 04:37 AM, said:

Holy *******.......if all that went on I am surprised anyone lived to tell about it much less play a few basketball games.....why.....those poor boys.......lmao......studly...I will say it again...Todd is gone....the problem you have over in Otown continues with every coach...almost like you inherit it!!!!!!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Coach]

Just a thought, not just basketball but most activities that kids are involved in. Bottom line, people don't appreciate, respect and honor things in our society and take the easy way out. It is all about me! It's not just sports, it is in the work place. Example: You hear that we need jobs brought back to America but I don't think we realize we have jobs posted everywhere but people don't want to work. I know of a job that pays very well and had great benefits and in the last year they have went through 63 people and didn't fire one of them. I guess nobody wants to be a garbage truck driver. How many fast food restaurants are looking for workers? Point is, we as a society are above all that. We all want more but we want to do a lot less!

[Mysterio]

Well said Coach, but let me also add toward the coaching aspect. Yes coaches will deal with kids who don't wanna put the work in. Yes coaches will deal with parents who think their kid is getting pushed too hard. But sometimes you come across coaches who just don't know the limits on discipline and yes there are limits. This isn't 80s or 90s where you can use a wooden spoon to spank your kids, times have changed. In small school you may not be able to discipline a kid like you could in a bigger school. Numbers are at not to your advantage. So with all that said you gotta motivate kids. You can still discipline but a certain way. I'm not sure exactly what TT did to get to this point, but it must have not been good if your own hometown asked you not to come back.

[BigGreen]

FlightCrew, on 26 April 2017 - 05:09 PM, said:

I do find it ironic that in adult life, coaches, managers, GM's, supervisors etc get fired or replaced due to poor performance, but God forbid anyone complain about a high school coach or referee and ask that they be replaced ....

I hate this argument. This situation isn't related to HS sports. Those coaches, managers, and GMs are dealing with professional athletes. HS coaches are dealing with kids who will more than likely never play sports after they graduate high school

[BigGreen]

Mysterio, on 27 April 2017 - 04:14 AM, said:

Easy there, let's calm down a bit

Mysterio...

Something we can agree on!

[BigGreen]

basketballstud, on 26 April 2017 - 02:22 PM, said:

Id bet you Ottoville will win a state title before you hit puberty big boy.

Posts like this one make you sound like a high schooler that couldn't handle a tough high school coach....

[JohnMcClane]

General Tso, on 26 April 2017 - 09:35 PM, said:

And that baseball coach ended up coaching at Grove. I would call that a promotion.

Off topic. But Ottoville can have him back. It's baseball nobody cares. That guy doesn't fit in with the rest of the Columbus Grove athletic department. In a small school what coach encourages kids to only play 1 sport. The one that came from Ottoville. Look at the CG's coaches 3 day summer youth camp (aka money grab) Day 1 football Day 2 basketball Day 3 track. What's missing.

[basketballstud]

BigGreen, on 27 April 2017 - 11:36 AM, said:

I hate this argument. This situation isn't related to HS sports. Those coaches, managers, and GMs are dealing with professional athletes. HS coaches are dealing with kids who will more than likely never play sports after they graduate high school

probably the smartest thing you've ever said. Makes my point. Why treat the kids like poop. Treat them with respect and respect you'll get in return.

[Hagen]

JohnMcClane, on 27 April 2017 - 11:59 AM, said:

... Look at the CG's coaches 3 day summer youth camp (aka money grab) Day 1 football Day 2 basketball Day 3 track. What's missing.

How long does each camp last, 6-8 hours? It's a "camp week" for those three sports, rather than each taking 3-4 days of their own in separate weeks?

Edited by Hagen, 27 April 2017 - 01:14 PM.