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[Dakota Green]

The only predictor of future behavior is past behavior. And that is what happened here, the various antics that he was accused and proven on were forgiven or overlooked when the team was making playoff runs. However once when the winning stopped these things are not gonna get overlooked and this suspension and subsequent resignation is what happens. Just a shame really, I think the guy can coach and he brought the Elida program back from the dead from the mid 2000's, but being a Bobby Knight want-a-be just doesn't cut it in todays society. Maybe if he gets some professional help in dealing with his behavior, maybe some other school will give Jason Carpenter a chance to coach. I am of the opinion that he may be suited more toward the college game being an assistant coach. Either way he has got some anger issues that he has to address.

[samtiger]

some of u think this kid had it coming. im sure one of these days his wife will have it coming to her also

[Ghost of Obed]

samtiger, on 01 October 2015 - 06:33 PM, said:

some of u think this kid had it coming. im sure one of these days his wife will have it coming to her also

his behavior has been inappropriate and childish, to predict domestic violence is a stretch


besides she makes more money than he does...he needs the paycheck. Don't punch the money dummy

[whatdoiknow]

Guy lost his job over the incident. No reason to pile on and celebrate the demise of a person who committed himself to a profession stirred towards helping kids.

[DC/MS]

Helping?

[NWbballfan]

Ghost of Obed, on 01 October 2015 - 05:47 PM, said:

Lettuce be real here gentlegents

Carp was already drawing the ire of the new administration

He knew he was being watched and still couldn't control himself

If it wasn't now, it was going to be eventually

He's a good coach....He will get hired somewhere. Hopefully he will consider growing up.

I may have to disagree with you in the good coach part. He ran into a deep couple classes of talent. Made a couple playoff runs but when the talent sunk back to average he wasn't able to keep it rolling. Good coaches have their programs in it year in and year out (ken schriner,Doug frye) even when talent is average. As for finding another job I was told he applied to more than 5 schools most in Michigan and one down around Dayton. He was brought back for 2nd interview in Dayton and was confronted about his priors that they had found that he was not up front about. Needless to say, they moved on.

[youthcoach]

I am all for yelling and screaming when it is required. I think our kids are being wussified to a point of being pathetic. With that said, when it gets to the point of physically hitting a kid, and from what I understand this is at least his 3rd time doing so, that is where it crosses a line in my opinion. Someone above said he is a great coach and maybe that is true but there are many great coaches on many teams in the area but they don't hit kids. Woody Hayes was a great coach too until he decided to punch a kid in the head.

Edited by youthcoach, 02 October 2015 - 07:14 AM.

[falcon]

I love how so many of you are commenting on an issue that most of you have little REAL knowledge of. I dont care if he ran into a class or two with some pretty good talent. He has built a program that is competitive year in and year out. They may not make the playoffs every year but they WILL compete with every other school in the WBL, which is much better than the 10-15 years of going 0-10 or 1-9 before he came in.

Our society has become such a joke to where parents now think they have the right to complain and whine about any little incident that occurs or want a coach fired because their kid isnt getting enough playing time.

I am not condoning all of Carp's actions but some people on here and in the community are simply out to get him. I dont deny that he was on a "last chance" type watch from the school but this specific incident should not have warranted any reaction from fans, parents, community, or school.

[NWbballfan]

A'great' coach that still has a losing overall record at Elida.

Edited by NWbballfan, 02 October 2015 - 09:24 AM.

[effingA]

Slapping a kid upside the helmet has been for good things as well. He's got a freaking helmet on...how does it hurt the kid? Words usually are more
damaging than a slap to the helmet... The other stuff he's done, that's different...this is a witch hunt.

[DawgDad57]

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effingA, on 02 October 2015 - 09:25 AM, said:

Slapping a kid upside the helmet has been for good things as well.

I was thinking that same thing. Watch how many kids get the smacked really hard on the helmet after a good play, a touchdown, or something like that. Do the parents or kids complain about that? I don't think that they have, I would think that could cause more "damage". This instance is a culmination of many factors that led to his demise.

[theWanderer]

Did anyone see the slap? A congratulatory slap is not vicious and not hard, I would hardly call it a slap regardless of its qualifications.

Recall that there were people defending Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson prior to the barrage of evidence showing how bad their actions were. Pictures and video sure change things.

Simply stating that something happened doesn't prove it either way, so unless I see it or hear from someone who saw it, I am assuming it was quite a bit more than a celebration slap to warrant such a reaction.

More to the point, I feel as if there is some victim blaming going on, towards the player and the fans, for the coaches punishment, and in my opinion that is not the right direction to take.

Edited by theWanderer, 02 October 2015 - 03:08 PM.

[jeffcat-bucki]

falcon, on 02 October 2015 - 09:14 AM, said:

I love how so many of you are commenting on an issue that most of you have little REAL knowledge of. I dont care if he ran into a class or two with some pretty good talent. He has built a program that is competitive year in and year out. They may not make the playoffs every year but they WILL compete with every other school in the WBL, which is much better than the 10-15 years of going 0-10 or 1-9 before he came in.

Our society has become such a joke to where parents now think they have the right to complain and whine about any little incident that occurs or want a coach fired because their kid isnt getting enough playing time.

I am not condoning all of Carp's actions but some people on here and in the community are simply out to get him. I dont deny that he was on a "last chance" type watch from the school but this specific incident should not have warranted any reaction from fans, parents, community, or school.

I'd take an 0-15 season every year over having the likes of carp or cooper coaching my program. At least I could say they tried and had some pride and dignity in going winless instead of being assaulted and humiliated by some assinine clowns writing checks their body can't cash

[jeffcat-bucki]

DawgDad57, on 02 October 2015 - 09:52 AM, said:

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I was thinking that same thing. Watch how many kids get the smacked really hard on the helmet after a good play, a touchdown, or something like that. Do the parents or kids complain about that? I don't think that they have, I would think that could cause more "damage". This instance is a culmination of many factors that led to his demise.

MMA fighters practice kneeing people in the face so it should be ok to do it at the local bar right?

[Mr Bearcat]

theWanderer, on 02 October 2015 - 02:55 PM, said:

Did anyone see the slap? A congratulatory slap is not vicious and not hard, I would hardly call it a slap regardless of its qualifications.

Recall that there were people defending Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson prior to the barrage of evidence showing how bad their actions were. Pictures and video sure change things.

Simply stating that something happened doesn't prove it either way, so unless I see it or hear from someone who saw it, I am assuming it was quite a bit more than a celebration slap to warrant such a reaction.

More to the point, I feel as if there is some victim blaming going on, towards the player and the fans, for the coaches punishment, and in my opinion that is not the right direction to take.

I talked to someone who seen it, and it sounded like he took a decent swing at the kid.

[blitzkreig]

Unless you personally saw it you shouldn't comment because everyone knows that depending on your opinion of the guy that is how you will see the "slap".... If you despise him then it was vicious, if you think he is a good coach with a problematic past it was a get your head in the game son.... I'll say it again let coaches coach, his past got him dismissed which I can handle, but the " slap" that I saw shouldn't have even been a talking point

[DawgDad57]

jeffcat-bucki, on 02 October 2015 - 03:50 PM, said:

MMA fighters practice kneeing people in the face so it should be ok to do it at the local bar right?

Really?

[jeffcat-bucki]

DawgDad57, on 03 October 2015 - 05:42 AM, said:

Really?

Really

Edited by jeffcat-bucki, 03 October 2015 - 02:46 PM.

[BlueJay]

He kneed a kid in the balls before? AND jumped on a kid's back? What a piece of garbage.

As for the slap on the helmet, if it was a tap, ok. But if he actually swung at him, that's different. There are a number of things that can happen if you're punched hard when you're not expecting it in the slightest, even if you're wearing a helmet.

[Common Sense]

I wonder if we're missing the point here. Many are saying good he got canned. But if Elida was 5-0 would he have got disciplined? If not, is disciplined only warranted when programs lose? Because Elida is bad is this just an opportunity to clean house? If he's that bad to be around kids, why is he allowed to continue to teach? Is this more about going up against the teacher's union, who doesn't protect supplemental contracts?? Just some tid bits to think about.