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[BOB]

How do you pull the plug on a program that has good numbers, to help a struggling.program. once the cat is out of the bag it is over

[roarintiger1]

BOB, Let's first determine what program has good numbers and which programs are struggling. Someone else can give the actual numbers, but I don't think that the soccer team had many to spare last season either. Then, lets determine what program pays the school's athletic program's bills. Then, let's see if it is really a difficult decision.

[HH75]

BOB, on 15 March 2015 - 11:16 AM, said:

How do you pull the plug on a program that has good numbers, to help a struggling.program. once the cat is out of the bag it is over

Lol! This has to be one of the funniest posts ever.

kick ball had 12 on roster according to school web site picture.

Edited by HH75, 15 March 2015 - 12:09 PM.

[2166]

HH75, on 15 March 2015 - 12:05 PM, said:

Lol! This has to be one of the funniest posts ever.

kick ball had 12 on roster according to school web site picture.

That would make for one on the sideline as a sub. NOT very good numbers if you ask me. But I haven't a clue......

[Whiterabbit]

BOB, on 15 March 2015 - 11:16 AM, said:

How do you pull the plug on a program that has good numbers, to help a struggling.program. once the cat is out of the bag it is over

I agree, pretty funny!! I am sure the non football program runs at a negative number financially and is support by the 'struggling program'.

[BOB]

In the last ten years cory rawson has had more succces in soccer than football. Maybe the football program should be discontinued for soccer. Those football crowds aren't paying the bills

[bob22]

BOB, on 15 March 2015 - 03:25 PM, said:

In the last ten years cory rawson has had more succces in soccer than football. Maybe the football program should be discontinued for soccer. Those football crowds aren't paying the bills

Keep the sport that draws a few dozen at most and cut the one that draws hundreds? Smart...

[2166]

BOB, on 15 March 2015 - 11:16 AM, said:

How do you pull the plug on a program that has good numbers, to help a struggling.program. once the cat is out of the bag it is over

I would like for you to tell us all how You figure that 12 Student Athletes is a good number for Varsity Soccer or any other Program for that matter.....

BTW this is the FOOTBALL forum not the SOCCER forum.....

Edited by 2166, 15 March 2015 - 04:45 PM.

[HH75]

BOB, on 15 March 2015 - 03:25 PM, said:

In the last ten years cory rawson has had more succces in soccer than football. Maybe the football program should be discontinued for soccer. Those football crowds aren't paying the bills

Wrong!
Even a Jr hi football game brings in more gate money than a varsity soccer game and it costs half as much to attend a Jr hi football game as a varsity soccer game.

You could not be any further from the truth.

[Whiterabbit]

BOB, on 15 March 2015 - 03:25 PM, said:

In the last ten years cory rawson has had more succces in soccer than football. Maybe the football program should be discontinued for soccer. Those football crowds aren't paying the bills

Haha, they are paying the soccer bills!

[Irish Viking 87]

BOB, on 15 March 2015 - 11:16 AM, said:

How do you pull the plug on a program that has good numbers, to help a struggling.program. once the cat is out of the bag it is over

BOB, on 15 March 2015 - 03:25 PM, said:

In the last ten years cory rawson has had more succces in soccer than football. Maybe the football program should be discontinued for soccer. Those football crowds aren't paying the bills

BOB,

You must be one of the parents that went to the school board. You are clueless but I enjoy the free entertainment you provide.

[2166]

BOB, on 15 March 2015 - 03:25 PM, said:

In the last ten years cory rawson has had more succces in soccer than football. Maybe the football program should be discontinued for soccer. Those football crowds aren't paying the bills

Really, If you knew what you were talking about which you obviously do not, you would know that varsity soccer admission is barely enough to pay the officials....Guess what, Football has had to carry the load the whole time. And You think the Football program should be canceled?? Are you for real?

[General Tso]

HH75, on 15 March 2015 - 04:56 PM, said:

Wrong!
Even a Jr hi football game brings in more gate money than a varsity soccer game and it costs half as much to attend a Jr hi football game as a varsity soccer game.

You could not be any further from the truth.

I would rather watch any football game, including the neighborhood boys throwing the ball in a backyard, than a varsity soccer game. Soccer is tough to watch. I once took my 2 year old daughter to a soccer game so she would fall asleep.

[BOB]

First and foremost I was just having fun with you irrational meatheads. My main point is that you can't get rid of a program that can field a team once it has been established. Furthermore, you could make the case that it is financially more responsible to rid your district of the more expensive sport. Am I advocating for that, of course not, it is Cory Rawson and I could careless what is done with your sports programs. It is only for my personal entertainment that I am getting a rise out of you guys. Since I have been portrayed as clueless concerning athletic finances lets take a look at the fallacy that soccer isn't self sufficient and football pays the bills. While this is true at many schools, I doubt it is at Cory Rawson. For example next year Cory has five home dates: USV, Vanlue, Arcadia, Mccomb, and Riverdale. For argument sake lets say Cory clears 2500 a game, (Which I think is high considering the following of the opponents and Cory community) 2500 X 5= 12,500. Now lets subtract what it cost to have football. Helmet reconditioning (6000), new shoulder pads, new helmets mis. equipment (1000) per year assuming the athletic program is on an equipment rotation. Officials are around 60 dollars, that is 300 a game. 1500 for the varsity season. Are you funding the rest of athletics on 3000 dollars? For Soccer, assuming you play eight home game. the officials officials cost 120 dollars a game for two. (total 960) Throw in some new game ball, say 300 dollars. You fund the whole season for around 1260 dollars. I have no idea what cory charges for soccer but the last soccer game I attended charged 6 and 4 for admission. Realistically, all you have to have to pay for the season is 210 adults attending. 26.25 adults a game.

[Casual_fan]

Didn't Pandora drop soccer a few years ago. So the argument that you cannot drop a program is bunk.

[bob22]

BOB,

So you can't get rid a program once it has been established? Interesting... Tell that to the last kids on the C-R boys and girls golf teams 3 years ago. And they had plenty of kids on both.

[HH75]

BOB
Oh.... Yes thee ever so sophisticated soccer crowd.

Ok so for argument sakes... I give in.

Could you please tell me how long it will take with 25 paying adults per home soccer game at $6 a head, will it take to pay for the land purchased, leveling of playing field, which wasn't done right and is now going to cost another $40,000- $60,000 (those numbers were told to me directly by the superintendent) and the surrounding fence? That land was purchased after passing the levy to fund the new elementary school, with the sole purpose of soccer fields,
I don't recall what the land purchase price was but pretty sure "development" was 100k plus.


Tell you what... just figure out how long it will take to pay for just the redo of the playing surface.

So why not "rid the school" (your words not mine) of the most expensive sport?


Lefty... you have mail

[Hagen]

First: I have no affiliation with Cory-Rawson whatsoever, nor do I have a dog in the fight. These are just my observations:

BOB, on 15 March 2015 - 03:25 PM, said:

In the last ten years cory rawson has had more succces in soccer than football.

This is actually a true statement — given the era in which both have existed at CRawson. When soccer began at CR, it had one of the top teams in their league & won a conference title, whereas football last won a title in 2003 (shared with HNorthern). Prior to that, football's last titles came in '92 & '77 (per BVC wiki). So despite the past couple years of soccer, as a whole, it has been more "successful" than football over the same span of both sports. However, neither have done much of anything over the past 5 years or so.

2166, on 15 March 2015 - 04:37 PM, said:

I would like for you to tell us all how You figure that 12 Student Athletes is a good number for Varsity Soccer or any other Program for that matter.....

Numbers suck on both teams. Soccer had 12 for a sport of 11, putting it in the same category of basketball having 6 players for 5 playing spots (both transition sports). In theory, football has 23 starting spots (11 offense, 11 defense, K/P). While it's commonplace for HS teams to play both ways in football as well, it's not common to only have 11 players playing the whole game. Let's say 6 players play both ways. That's 18 full-time players and 6 subs for the football team (24 in their team photo). So before one sport is bashed, just acknowledge that numbers for both sports suck.

General Tso, on 15 March 2015 - 08:58 PM, said:

I would rather watch any football game, including the neighborhood boys throwing the ball in a backyard, than a varsity soccer game. Soccer is tough to watch. I once took my 2 year old daughter to a soccer game so she would fall asleep.

I find golf extremely boring. I regularly turn that on for my Sunday afternoon nap. Does that mean no one should attend that? Same for baseball. To each their own.
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Moving on... Two counties have gone extremely one-sided on this topic of limited numbers for small schools. Crawford Country is 100% football-only, while Putnam County has several soccer-only schools. Both carry strong programs & are sustained pretty well financially. Football is the obvious money-maker given its midwestern American history, however, soccer has proven to be profitable in the PCL as well. Money is only an issue if programs suck & don't draw fans. Bad football teams lose money & good soccer teams make money. If teams win, then fans and money follow. Simple as that.

Regarding the $100K deficit soccer would need for its fields, that's vastly overblown or lazy on the BOE. There are several grants that would aid in that or a local farmer could do much cheaper than hiring a company out. Other schools/youth programs do this very cheaply, so the superintendent is either lazy or ignorant when it comes to those numbers because leveling any sports field isn't that difficult or costly.

As far as school size, CRawson has 79 boys (OHSAA). Good news, they have 36 boys out, meaning 46% of the school is playing. That's a decent percentage. Bad news, That's over two sports. That number for either sport would be good. Unless, strong personality coaches come in & begin from the ground-level recruiting and keeping kids interested (or you know - win), it's going to be an uphill climb for either sport. If the trend continues, it would be wise to eliminate one program. However, it doesn't really matter which one so long as the school fully backs it. Realistically, get two committed, good coaches for the two sports & both sports are capable of not only being relevant, but thriving. Having 43 boys in the school not participating is an issue. Between the two sports, they could participate in some manner & add depth.

[2166]

HH75, on 16 March 2015 - 07:24 AM, said:

BOB
Oh.... Yes thee ever so sophisticated soccer crowd.

Ok so for argument sakes... I give in.

Could you please tell me how long it will take with 25 paying adults per home soccer game at $6 a head, will it take to pay for the land purchased, leveling of playing field, which wasn't done right and is now going to cost another $40,000- $60,000 (those numbers were told to me directly by the superintendent) and the surrounding fence? That land was purchased after passing the levy to fund the new elementary school, with the sole purpose of soccer fields,
I don't recall what the land purchase price was but pretty sure "development" was 100k plus.


Tell you what... just figure out how long it will take to pay for just the redo of the playing surface.

So why not "rid the school" (your words not mine) of the most expensive sport?


Lefty... you have mail

[General Tso]

Casual_fan, on 16 March 2015 - 06:30 AM, said:

Didn't Pandora drop soccer a few years ago. So the argument that you cannot drop a program is bunk.

Yes they did. The BOE decided football was more important.