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[General Tso]

HH75, on 22 February 2015 - 06:37 PM, said:

1) have coached many things at many levels. Been asked a number of times by multiple schools to help with Varsity. But my job will not allow me the time it takes to be fully committed to a varsity assistant job. And I didn't need to be a varsity assistant for 11 years at McComb to have that understanding.

2) I am more than involved with multiple things I don't need another one, besides I don't need the divorce that would come along with adding to my to do list.

3) My Probation won't allow it!

Have I done something to you in the past for you to call me out?

Nope. Maybe he did give up on the kids and maybe he did not. I wasn't there. If you believe 10% of what you here from fans and parents you'll be alright.

[roarintiger1]

Coaches, teachers, & school administrators sometimes make promises that they can't keep during the hiring process. This has happened at C-R a number of times. It's a darn shame. The only ones it hurts are the dedicated students and athletes. Believe me, there have been lots of bridges burned. This isn't the first and won't be the last. This latest football coach certainly knew the numbers and knew what he was getting into.

Edited by roarintiger1, 22 February 2015 - 11:22 PM.

[Tinman]

HH75, on 22 February 2015 - 07:21 PM, said:

Let's all try to remember that with the possible exception of McComb and Vanlue (to this point) all the BVC schools have had good and bad times and their own fair share of the "Coaching circus" over the years. The only difference is some of them did it before the information age that now exists. Some of this stuff could have been easily solved by some mandatory consolidation before the state spent all this money for schools. As I have stated in the past, at this point, there should only be three schools at the most in Hancock county.
1)Findlay City
2) Hancock north
3) Hancock south.
Or east and west I don't care ...

I digress....

I was just thinking this the other day, except I included Findlay and split the county into four schools. Findlay is too big to get into a close league, so...

[Whiterabbit]

okay, back to reality. Any names of any applicants yet? Interviews?

[HH75]

roarintiger1, on 22 February 2015 - 11:04 PM, said:

Coaches, teachers, & school administrators sometimes make promises that they can't keep during the hiring process. This has happened at C-R a number of times. It's a darn shame. The only ones it hurts are the dedicated students and athletes. Believe me, there have been lots of bridges burned. This isn't the first and won't be the last. This latest football coach certainly knew the numbers and knew what he was getting into.

All true.

[HH75]

General Tso, on 22 February 2015 - 08:56 PM, said:

Nope. Maybe he did give up on the kids and maybe he did not. I wasn't there. If you believe 10% of what you here from fans and parents you'll be alright.

Nobody ran him out not the parents, not the administration,not the kids, not the BoE. Everyone was on board and thinking we we were heading in the right direction. Water under the bridge. Time to move on.

applications are due by Feb 27 per the school web site.

[2166]

HH75, on 23 February 2015 - 07:54 AM, said:

Nobody ran him out not the parents, not the administration,not the kids, not the BoE. Everyone was on board and thinking we we were heading in the right direction. Water under the bridge. Time to move on.

applications are due by Feb 27 per the school web site.

Well said!!

[Rocketman]

Whiterabbit, on 23 February 2015 - 07:11 AM, said:

okay, back to reality. Any names of any applicants yet? Interviews?

I have quite clearly expressed the one applicant

[2166]

General Tso, on 22 February 2015 - 08:40 PM, said:

bob22 and 2166, read what lefty wrote. Ever hear of a union????? Some people just can't be educated!!!

Yes, I have heard of a Union, and yes I have heard of a contract too. there is a reason for a first year teacher being granted a one year contract. Maybe some people need educated on that.

BTW what have I done to you to be called out?

[Shotgun_Blues]

First of all I hate to see whats going on at CR still remember when they were the powerhouse of the league...

Second don't hate on teachers unions... Unions fight for the sanctity of the contract. Just dot your eyes and cross your t's and you can get rid of anyone. Especially teachers in their first 3 years. Most contracts have a clause that they can non-renew after the first year without even stating a reason...

Best wishes to CR and in the long run you don't want someone who doesn't want to be there anyway...

[General Tso]

2166, on 23 February 2015 - 09:19 AM, said:

Yes, I have heard of a Union, and yes I have heard of a contract too. there is a reason for a first year teacher being granted a one year contract. Maybe some people need educated on that.

BTW what have I done to you to be called out?

Nothing but if after one year there better be a great reason to non-renew a teacher. If there's not a great reason the school better hold on because it's a coming and it's going to be ugly. Union dues have to go for something.

[LimaJock]

General Tso, on 23 February 2015 - 06:14 PM, said:

Nothing but if after one year there better be a great reason to non-renew a teacher. If there's not a great reason the school better hold on because it's a coming and it's going to be ugly. Union dues have to go for something.

Has nothing to do with union dues. My understanding, is any school district legally can not rehire a first year teacher just because they don't want too. If the old coach didn't know this than he didn't research it and probably has no recourse. The Union can do NOTHING if non-renewed. LJ

[lefty]

It is my understanding all teachers at C.R. are working without contracts. This does happen.

[Common Sense]

On a thread like this, you can get rid of a teacher because they aren't a coach anymore, but let's step into the real world for a moment folks. If you have a teacher that is a good teacher and educates kids, a schools not going to get rid of them because the are or are not a good coach for a sports team. Plain and simple. You send the message out to your community that you care more about sports than education...good luck with that.

[LimaJock]

Common Sense, on 27 February 2015 - 12:59 PM, said:

On a thread like this, you can get rid of a teacher because they aren't a coach anymore, but let's step into the real world for a moment folks. If you have a teacher that is a good teacher and educates kids, a schools not going to get rid of them because the are or are not a good coach for a sports team. Plain and simple. You send the message out to your community that you care more about sports than education...good luck with that.

Or, the community supports the move since they feel that the staff member is not really vested in their children. I dont know what the deal will be but something is terribly wrong if you wont do a supplemental but you still want the big pay. If he is a great teacher awesome. But there is no one who thinks he was hired because of his teaching skill. MAYBE FOOTBALL. LJ

[HH75]

Common Sense, on 27 February 2015 - 12:59 PM, said:

On a thread like this, you can get rid of a teacher because they aren't a coach anymore, but let's step into the real world for a moment folks. If you have a teacher that is a good teacher and educates kids, a schools not going to get rid of them because the are or are not a good coach for a sports team. Plain and simple. You send the message out to your community that you care more about sports than education...good luck with that.

Or when your trying to teach kids that commitment means something and a new coach comes in promising that he is here to stay and is in it for the long haul, then decides after 8 months he's done coaching but still wants to teach, should you not send the message to your kids that the Administration and BoE are here for you and defend them??

DEFEND THE KIDS. Show the kids that commitment means something and if they are expected to commit then so should the guy that you (administration and BoE) hired!

Answer me this... Tell me the #1 reason Nathan Westenbarger was hired in June? To coach or to teach ??


He should be non renewed period!

[Common Sense]

I would hope to goodness for the students of CR that he was hired to teach?? Anything else makes a mockery of the school system.

[BGR_80]

"O" Boy, fun reading up to this point!! The last I knew coaching is teaching and teaching is coaching. Bottom line, in order to staff the coaching positions in your school with in-house staff. You must have open teaching positions in order to bring new coaches in. So, middle of the road or below teachers should go, just like in the business world. But, in most cases administrators generally pencil whip teacher reviews avoiding confrontation. Then the next thing you know you're staffed with below average teachers and a school building full of ex-head coaches. Generally successful teachers and coaches go hand in hand, they are in it for all the right reasons teaching and coaching. It is happening all around the state; that is why there are so many head coaches in boys and girls sports not on staff as teachers. I am all for keeping the good teachers onboard but please get rid of any dead weight.

[roarintiger1]

Hey, not bad there BGR_80. If RC had a like button, I'd be hitting it .

[2166]

BGR_80, on 02 March 2015 - 10:42 AM, said:

"O" Boy, fun reading up to this point!! The last I knew coaching is teaching and teaching is coaching. Bottom line, in order to staff the coaching positions in your school with in-house staff. You must have open teaching positions in order to bring new coaches in. So, middle of the road or below teachers should go, just like in the business world. But, in most cases administrators generally pencil whip teacher reviews avoiding confrontation. Then the next thing you know you're staffed with below average teachers and a school building full of ex-head coaches. Generally successful teachers and coaches go hand in hand, they are in it for all the right reasons teaching and coaching. It is happening all around the state; that is why there are so many head coaches in boys and girls sports not on staff as teachers. I am all for keeping the good teachers onboard but please get rid of any dead weight.

Excellent....