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[Bigdogg79]

honeybadger, on 25 November 2014 - 02:39 PM, said:

PROJECT A MATCHUP


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[2010] St. John's (Delphos, OH) 44, [2010] Shadyside (OH) 7


Not saying the Tigers wouldn't beat the Jays this year.... but their math was wrong in 2010..... just sayin....

In 2010 St Johns would of beat lots of teams that bad. I would venture to say that nobody on here has ever seen Shadyside play other than against one of the top teams in the state of any division in that state final. So you really don't know what your talking about. The OHSAA tournament is set up so the best teams in each region make the playoffs and not the best teams in the state. Shadyside has earned that privilege 16 times and has a very good record to show for it.

Edited by Bigdogg79, 25 November 2014 - 02:54 PM.

[Bigdogg79]

BlueJay, on 25 November 2014 - 02:10 PM, said:

DSJ won 2 games in the MAC against teams that went 0-10 and 1-9. Shadyside could maybe beat DSJ and they would for sure beat New Bremen and Parkway. If you can count correctly, that's 2 or 3

But that was not the question. It was stated that there were a lot of teams in Northwest Ohio that were better than Shadyside in D-7. In the MAC this year only Marion Local and Ft Recovery were better.

[BlueJay]

Bigdogg79, on 25 November 2014 - 02:58 PM, said:

But that was not the question. It was stated that there were a lot of teams in Northwest Ohio that were better than Shadyside in D-7. In the MAC this year only Marion Local and Ft Recovery were better.

DSJ, FR, and ML are the only MAC teams in D7 you bafoon. If you wanna talk outside of D7, Shadyside would get destroyed by everyone aside from New Bremen and Parkway.

Edited by BlueJay, 25 November 2014 - 03:23 PM.

[BlueJay]

Bigdogg79, on 25 November 2014 - 02:53 PM, said:

In 2010 St Johns would of beat lots of teams that bad. I would venture to say that nobody on here has ever seen Shadyside play other than against one of the top teams in the state of any division in that state final. So you really don't know what your talking about. The OHSAA tournament is set up so the best teams in each region make the playoffs and not the best teams in the state. Shadyside has earned that privilege 16 times and has a very good record to show for it.

Edgerton didn't get beat that bad. Ada didn't get beat that bad. McComb didn't get beat that bad. Marion Local didn't get beat that bad. Sidney Lehman Catholic didn't get beat that bad. New Bremen didn't get beat that bad. Minster didn't get beat that bad.

[paperboy]

BlueJay, on 25 November 2014 - 03:24 PM, said:

Edgerton didn't get beat that bad. Ada didn't get beat that bad. McComb didn't get beat that bad. Marion Local didn't get beat that bad. Sidney Lehman Catholic didn't get beat that bad. New Bremen didn't get beat that bad. Minster didn't get beat that bad.

You do realize how things can snowball once in awhile, right? Remember 2008, when Marion Local gave St. John's a woodshed beating to the tune of 42-0? The Flyers washed out in the state semis (D5) while DSJ cruised to the D6 title. Was ML really 42 points better than DSJ? No way, but things got out of hand in that game. I have a feeling that's what happened to Shadyside in the 2010 title game. Just four years earlier they lost to ML in the title game 17-0, and the game was tied at halftime.

I'm with Bigdogg on this one - bang on Shadyside if it makes you feel better about yourself, but those kids worked to get where they are.

[honeybadger]

There's an ebb and flow to all of this..... I am not banging on Shadyside, but there are folks on here that would agree that small school football in SE Ohio pales in comparison to NW Ohio.... and ATTN Rocket--- Shadyside lost 17-0 to ML several years ago.... didn't you say something about weather just a few posts ago...?

Edited by honeybadger, 25 November 2014 - 04:32 PM.

[BlueJay]

paperboy, on 25 November 2014 - 04:15 PM, said:

You do realize how things can snowball once in awhile, right? Remember 2008, when Marion Local gave St. John's a woodshed beating to the tune of 42-0? The Flyers washed out in the state semis (D5) while DSJ cruised to the D6 title. Was ML really 42 points better than DSJ? No way, but things got out of hand in that game. I have a feeling that's what happened to Shadyside in the 2010 title game. Just four years earlier they lost to ML in the title game 17-0, and the game was tied at halftime.

I'm with Bigdogg on this one - bang on Shadyside if it makes you feel better about yourself, but those kids worked to get where they are.

ML was definitely 42 points better than DSJ at that time in the season. DSJ was very young and didn't have muchh experience and had not played any quality teams. That game served as a reality check and from that point, they got better each week.

DSJ plays Shadyside 10 times that year and DSJ wins 10/10, each by a minimum of 7 or 8 scores

[Bigdogg79]

BlueJay, on 25 November 2014 - 03:23 PM, said:

DSJ, FR, and ML are the only MAC teams in D7 you bafoon. If you wanna talk outside of D7, Shadyside would get destroyed by everyone aside from New Bremen and Parkway.

And you are an idiot, since Shadyside is and always has been in the smallest classification, they would not play anyone any larger than other D-7 teams. What was the score of the ML vs DSJ game this year?

Edited by Bigdogg79, 25 November 2014 - 04:57 PM.

[BlueJay]

Bigdogg79, on 25 November 2014 - 04:56 PM, said:

And you are an idiot, since Shadyside is and always has been in the smallest classification, they would not play anyone any larger than other D-7 teams. What was the score of the ML vs DSJ game this year?

DSJ has always been in the smallest classification as well, save two years in the early 2000s. My statement was that Shadyside would lose to FR (D7) and ML (D7) in a blowout while a game against DSJ (D7) would be close. What does the score of DSJ/ML matter? They're beating all their playoff opponents in similar fashion.

[samtiger]

I have an idea. why don't we break our state into 4 sections, north south east and west .now we can have 28 state champions 7 for each section. now we wont have to worry about shadyside getting blown away in the state finals

[bob22]

Or we could just mix things up every couple years and have R25 & 26 play in the semis

[Rocketman]

bob22, on 25 November 2014 - 06:29 PM, said:

Or we could just mix things up every couple years and have R25 & 26 play in the semis

ding, ding, ding.......

[whatdoiknow]

It isnt shadyside's fault that the regions are not redone to the satisfaction of the mac schools. We realize you wanted marion local and dsj to play for the title game instead of in the semi final. That isnt shadyside's fault that the ohsaa cheated you of the ability to hype the mac more. Remember historically, newark catholic, steubenville catholic and mogadore have been in the same region and have fared ok against northwest ohio.
You guys can't in one breath toot your own horn as the best small school football conference in america then be critical against a school who has faired very well against half the state for over a decade. We are all inferior to the mac, we read it and listin to it everyday.For god sake some of you are so dilusional that you believe that your teams are better than the division one playoff team.

Nobody is disputing that in 2010 shadyside wouldnt have competed with many top northwest ohio small schools.if memory serves me correctly shadyside's coach was in his first or second year. He didnt do much to help their cause in that game. They subbed earlier than many would have which contributed to the final score. Since then you havent seen them play. To continually judge them by the one game is unfair. Remember by your own account 2010 dsj was maybe the best small school team ever.

[bob22]

whatdoiknow, on 25 November 2014 - 09:08 PM, said:

It isnt shadyside's fault that the regions are not redone to the satisfaction of the mac schools. We realize you wanted marion local and dsj to play for the title game instead of in the semi final. That isnt shadyside's fault that the ohsaa cheated you of the ability to hype the mac more. Remember historically, newark catholic, steubenville catholic and mogadore have been in the same region and have fared ok against northwest ohio.
You guys can't in one breath toot your own horn as the best small school football conference in america then be critical against a school who has faired very well against half the state for over a decade. We are all inferior to the mac, we read it and listin to it everyday.For god sake some of you are so dilusional that you believe that your teams are better than the division one playoff team.

Nobody is disputing that in 2010 shadyside wouldnt have competed with many top northwest ohio small schools.if memory serves me correctly shadyside's coach was in his first or second year. He didnt do much to help their cause in that game. They subbed earlier than many would have which contributed to the final score. Since then you havent seen them play. To continually judge them by the one game is unfair. Remember by your own account 2010 dsj was maybe the best small school team ever.

I could care less about about MAC schools playing each other in the finals. I've seen the movie and the 7 sequels. An all MAC final has all the appeal of Bama vs. LSU in the BCS Championship game. Zzzzzzzzzzz.

Grove(R22) vs. Monroeville(R21) in 03 was interesting, As was Hardin Northern(R24) vs. Danville(R23) in 04.

Mix it up, keep it interesting. Heck criss-crossem even. Give us Grove/Trimble and NSP/MSML. Lets see Grove/McComb/Calvert/Arlington/whoever wins R24 go play R23 or 25 every once in a while. If an all MAC final happens because of it so be it. I can turn off the TV or not click a topic f I chose. Matching up the same regions year after year blows, Especially in the smallest division where there are numerous repeaters MAC or otherwise.

Edited by bob22, 26 November 2014 - 09:05 AM.

[jeffcat-bucki]

bob22, on 26 November 2014 - 08:48 AM, said:

I could care less about about MAC schools playing each other in the finals. I've seen the movie and the 7 sequels. An all MAC final has all the appeal of Bama vs. LSU in the BCS Championship game. Zzzzzzzzzzz.

Grove(R22) vs. Monroeville(R21) in 03 was interesting, As was Hardin Northern(R24) vs. Danville(R23) in 04.

Mix it up, keep it interesting. Heck criss-crossem even. Give us Grove/Trimble and NSP/MSML. Lets see Grove/McComb/Calvert/Arlington/whoever wins R24 go play R23 or 25 every once in a while. If an all MAC final happens because of it so be it. I can turn off the TV or not click a topic f I chose. Matching up the same regions year after year blows, Especially in the smallest division where there are numerous repeaters MAC or otherwise.

Are you insane? Grove and Trimble? Why in holy hell would you make those teams and schools financially pay to travel that distance when grove and Arlington are less than an hour from each other. Just because you are bored and think it would be interesting doesn't make it right.

[paperboy]

jeffcat-bucki, on 26 November 2014 - 10:51 AM, said:

Are you insane? Grove and Trimble? Why in holy hell would you make those teams and schools financially pay to travel that distance when grove and Arlington are less than an hour from each other. Just because you are bored and think it would be interesting doesn't make it right.

I think you meant 'Marion Local' instead of 'Arlington', but I get your point. Still, I don't think a change would cause all that much extra travel.

Consider total drive times for each game:

As is...
CG/ML at Lima: 1 hour, 10 minutes
Trimble/St. Paul at Mount Vernon: 3 hours, 10 minutes
TOTAL: 4 hours, 20 minutes

23/26 & 24/25
St. Paul/ML at Findlay: 2 hours, 31 minutes
Trimble/CG at Dublin: 3 hours, 7 minutes
TOTAL: 5 hours, 38 minutes

23/24 & 25/26
St. Paul/Grove at Tiffin: 1 hours, 46 minutes
ML/Trimble at Hilliard: 3 hours, 6 minutes
TOTAL: 4 hours, 52 minutes

The total difference between the scenario with the shortest drive time and the longest is only 1 hours and 18 minutes, which only comes out to 19.5 minutes/team.

[jeffcat-bucki]

paperboy, on 26 November 2014 - 11:29 AM, said:

I think you meant 'Marion Local' instead of 'Arlington', but I get your point. Still, I don't think a change would cause all that much extra travel.

Consider total drive times for each game:

As is...
CG/ML at Lima: 1 hour, 10 minutes
Trimble/St. Paul at Mount Vernon: 3 hours, 10 minutes
TOTAL: 4 hours, 20 minutes

23/26 & 24/25
St. Paul/ML at Findlay: 2 hours, 31 minutes
Trimble/CG at Dublin: 3 hours, 7 minutes
TOTAL: 5 hours, 38 minutes

23/24 & 25/26
St. Paul/Grove at Tiffin: 1 hours, 46 minutes
ML/Trimble at Hilliard: 3 hours, 6 minutes
TOTAL: 4 hours, 52 minutes

The total difference between the scenario with the shortest drive time and the longest is only 1 hours and 18 minutes, which only comes out to 19.5 minutes/team.

I'm not following that. It takes about 30 minutes for grove to get to lima on a bus. If they switched and played at Dublin for example, it would be an almost 2 hour bus drive. What exactly is logical about that?

[paperboy]

jeffcat-bucki, on 26 November 2014 - 11:49 AM, said:

I'm not following that. It takes about 30 minutes for grove to get to lima on a bus. If they switched and played at Dublin for example, it would be an almost 2 hour bus drive. What exactly is logical about that?

Well, for one thing you're only looking at how it affects Grove, (plus Google shows the drive to Dublin to be around 1 hour, 34 minutes). The drive for Trimble to Dublin, for instance would be shorter than to Mount Vernon, and the drive to Findlay for St. Paul would also be shorter than to Mount Vernon.

You are right in a way - if you are going strictly off geography, the current matchups are the best to minimize travel time. I guess I'm saying that even if you MAXIMIZE travel time, it's not a huge difference.

[polkhigh33]

There are regional first round matchups that are 2-3 hour road trips (ie: Coldwater vs Chippewa) so what does it matter? Those kind of matchups have happened numerous times now.

[jeffcat-bucki]

polkhigh33, on 26 November 2014 - 06:10 PM, said:

There are regional first round matchups that are 2-3 hour road trips (ie: Coldwater vs Chippewa) so what does it matter? Those kind of matchups have happened numerous times now.

Why make a trip longer than it needs to be for no legitimate purpose?