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[von]

honeybadger, on 04 November 2014 - 10:54 AM, said:

If Arlington plays disciplined, they win this game..... I would agree with others that whomever wins this game will face Marion in the state semi.....and lose...big.

In this country we have private and public schools. Private schools do not have the resources or money to handle some special needs students. I was a special needs teacher for many years, in a public school. Public schools have more money $ and more services available to handle these special students, private schools do not. Some special classes may have only 2-10 students in them, but they are funded by federal laws, also, as a SNT I had an assistant, and sometimes 2 or 3 depending on the circumstances. Caldwell get this straight, PRIVATE schools do not have to take these special, wonderful kids. That is why they are called Private. Public schools Do. DSJ does NOT recruit, other schools do recruit all over the country, public and private. Get it, Got it, Good. Let's talk football.....

[BlueJay]

honeybadger, on 04 November 2014 - 10:54 AM, said:

If Arlington plays disciplined, they win this game..... I would agree with others that whomever wins this game will face Marion in the state semi.....and lose...big.

I agree. Marion might have running clock in all 5 of their tournament games

[PostPlayer]

I believe Marion Local would not be the opponent until state final game as dictated by OHSAA this year.

[Bluetiger76]

PostPlayer, on 04 November 2014 - 01:53 PM, said:

I believe Marion Local would not be the opponent until state final game as dictated by OHSAA this year.

Don't they have the option to change those brackets?

[BlueJay]

PostPlayer, on 04 November 2014 - 01:53 PM, said:

I believe Marion Local would not be the opponent until state final game as dictated by OHSAA this year.

They will rebracket. DSJ has won this region 5 out of the last 6 years and they have rebracketed every time. The one time they didn't win it, they still rebracketed. 2006, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013 were all rebracketed.

Edited by BlueJay, 04 November 2014 - 01:57 PM.

[Bigdogg79]

paperboy, on 03 November 2014 - 02:52 PM, said:

I didn't realize DSJ got to select the students it wants. You mean if they pick my kid he HAS to go there?

I think what he means is self selection bias:
In statistics, self-selection bias arises in any situation in which individuals select themselves into a group, causing a biased sample with nonprobability sampling. It is commonly used to describe situations where the characteristics of the people which cause them to select themselves in the group create abnormal or undesirable conditions in the group.

Self-selection makes it difficult to determine causation. For example, one might note significantly better football teams among those who participate in a contest, and credit the score for the difference. However, due to self-selection, there are a number of differences between the people who chose to attend a certain school and those who chose not to. Those who chose to attend a certain school might have been better athletes than those who did not, and that difference in athleticism may have affected the scores between the two groups. If that was the case, then it is not meaningful to simply compare the two sets of scores. Due to self-selection, there were other factors affecting the scores than merely the game itself.

Self-selection bias causes problems for research comparing success rates between public or private schools. In particular, self-selection makes it difficult to evaluate programs, to determine whether the program has some effect, and makes it difficult to place schools in fair divisions..

Edited by Bigdogg79, 04 November 2014 - 03:05 PM.

[BlueJay]

Not bothering to read that

[Bigdogg79]

BlueJay, on 04 November 2014 - 02:55 PM, said:

Not bothering to read that

If I was you I would not either. Better to pretend everything is equal to start with.

Edited by Bigdogg79, 04 November 2014 - 03:06 PM.

[von]

PostPlayer, on 04 November 2014 - 01:53 PM, said:

I believe Marion Local would not be the opponent until state final game as dictated by OHSAA this year.

Maybe they will play Sunnyside?

[caldwell]

von, on 04 November 2014 - 12:15 PM, said:

In this country we have private and public schools. Private schools do not have the resources or money to handle some special needs students. I was a special needs teacher for many years, in a public school. Public schools have more money $ and more services available to handle these special students, private schools do not. Some special classes may have only 2-10 students in them, but they are funded by federal laws, also, as a SNT I had an assistant, and sometimes 2 or 3 depending on the circumstances. Caldwell get this straight, PRIVATE schools do not have to take these special, wonderful kids. That is why they are called Private. Public schools Do. DSJ does NOT recruit, other schools do recruit all over the country, public and private. Get it, Got it, Good. Let's talk football.....

Thank you for your input. You are correct, PRIVATE schools do not have the money and resources for these special needs students. Thus these students are sent to public schools where they can get the help needed from fine teachers as yourself. These are wonderful kids, they deserve the small classes, extra money and any help that fine people like you can give to make their lives the best they possibly can be. Participating in sports is not even a consideration for many of these special need students. I'm not taking a shot at the PRIVATE schools for not having these special needs programs, they shouldn't.

My point is: There are factors that are not being taken in consideration when the OSHAA counts students in order to divide the sports into divisions. These are wonderful kids, yet it is my opinion that the PRIVATE schools are getting an advantage in sports by not having these students in their schools.

My second point: There are parents out there that don't care less if there kids go to school or not. Many of the kids don't even have coats to wear to school. No money for supplies or lunch, etc. Typically these students are on survivor mode and have no interest in school, let alone extra curricular activities. These students do not have the resources to afford PRIVATE schools. It is my opinion that the PRIVATE schools are getting an advantage in sports by not having to count these type of students.

I have no issues with PRIVATE schools, educating are children is the most important thing.

Just want to see things leveled out some when it comes to counting the students to determine divisions.

[tunnelvision]

BlueJay, on 04 November 2014 - 12:26 PM, said:

I agree. Marion might have running clock in all 5 of their tournament games

Agree about Marion. Disagree about the winner of this game winning the region. Grove will provide a stiff test for either team. Not saying Grove wins the region but don't overlook them.

[BigPappa]

tunnelvision, on 05 November 2014 - 06:59 AM, said:

Agree about Marion. Disagree about the winner of this game winning the region. Grove will provide a stiff test for either team. Not saying Grove wins the region but don't overlook them.

I agree. I think Grove is a solid team that could make some noise. I think it took a bit to figure out who they were and by mid to end of the season they are running full stride.

[samtiger]

Caldwell I agree with you to a point, but without looking it up I bet it does not effect as many schools as you may think. Unless your within a few kids of the border your point is mute. I'm sure Marion Local has a few special needs kids and their still in division 7

[#Sand]

this is the DSJ vs Arlington thread? Just checking.

[paperboy]

caldwell, on 05 November 2014 - 06:32 AM, said:

Just want to see things leveled out some when it comes to counting the students to determine divisions.

Look, I'm a fan of a public school that has been knocked off three times by DSJ in the playoffs, so I have plenty of reasons for wanting to blame the Jays' success on the lack of a level playing field. But the thing is, lots of schools have advantages, some have disadvantages, and some have both. I see what you're saying about DSJ and it's advantages, but surely it's a disadvantage to have to pay a big chunk to go there, right?

As for other advantages, the schools here in Mercer County are so blessed to have a ton of two-parent homes and a pretty good economy around us. Surely those are advantages, aren't they? And we do have a lot of German blood down here that results in some abnormal size advantages. Imagine what it must be like for a lot of the CCC schools when they see the behemoths lining up against them. And open-enrollment...pretty much any school can choose to go that route which would enable them to get good athletes from other districts, no?

I guess I just don't see how you can even out the playing field in every way. It's impossible, so just do the best you can with what you have and let the chips fall where they may.

[operation mongoose]

PostPlayer, on 01 November 2014 - 12:55 PM, said:

Here come the haters and the experts in DW269. "HUGE advantage in coaching dept" - wonder what premise this is based on?

I think the premise will be that Leonard chokes in big games, or he has clearly had the most talent in the BVC the last two years and failed to win a Championship or beat LB, but I could be wrong on what they will use.

[countywidehasbeen]

Von, I'm far removed from Delphos and NW Ohio high school sports, nowadays. I agree with almost everything you said in your post....I am also in Education. agree with your comments about funding and etc....... The one point I have to shy away from is the recruiting portion. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT GOES ON IN THE DELPHOS COMMUNITY WITH SCHULTE AS COACH.........But I do know that the former coach recruited. Me, along with two of my friends were approached at a high school girl's basketball game, in which DSJ was NOT playing. I will not get into the specifics of the conversation, but it was quite interesting. We did not attend DSJ.

[#Sand]

operation mongoose, on 06 November 2014 - 10:43 AM, said:

I think the premise will be that Leonard chokes in big games, or he has clearly had the most talent in the BVC the last two years and failed to win a Championship or beat LB, but I could be wrong on what they will use.

I'm not so sure about that most talent comment. 'Clearly' that would be your opinion. They do have the best running back in the BVC for the past two years (and that's my opinion).

When is the last time Arlington had a losing season?
Haven't they made the playoffs the last 3 years?

Edited by #Sand, 06 November 2014 - 12:14 PM.

[Wilco98]

Last time Arlington had a losing season was 2006.

Edited by Wilco98, 06 November 2014 - 12:32 PM.

[BlueJay]

countywidehasbeen, on 06 November 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

Von, I'm far removed from Delphos and NW Ohio high school sports, nowadays. I agree with almost everything you said in your post....I am also in Education. agree with your comments about funding and etc....... The one point I have to shy away from is the recruiting portion. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT GOES ON IN THE DELPHOS COMMUNITY WITH SCHULTE AS COACH.........But I do know that the former coach recruited. Me, along with two of my friends were approached at a high school girl's basketball game, in which DSJ was NOT playing. I will not get into the specifics of the conversation, but it was quite interesting. We did not attend DSJ.

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